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Rain Cold said:
The death rate is around 2.3%, compared to about 0.1% for the common flu. It also has a pretty high serious complication rate of around 15 to perhaps as high as 20%. We know China is under reporting the numbers, probably significantly so. The combination of a very high number of cases and the fact that at least 15% of those require significant medical intervention, vastly strains resources and prevents many of those from getting the care they need to survive.

We'll really start to gain a lot more clarity around these things when cases really ramp up in places like Japan and Singapore. My guess is that as infectious as this thing is, many, many people are going to be carrying it around simultaneously. This is going to put a strain on any healthcare system, resulting in diminishing care and higher CFRs.

Let's just hope it doesn't mutate and become more virulent and/or more infectious.
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I said last week the cruise ship will be a good test case with a diverse ethnicity. There are 620+ cases, 300+ with no symptoms, 27 serious and two deaths. That is a serious case ratio of around 5% with a death rate of 0.3%. With the cruise ship being filled with older people those are actually really good numbers so far.
 
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Arcc said:
I said last week the cruise ship will be a good test case with a diverse ethnicity. There are 620+ cases, 300+ with no symptoms, 27 serious and two deaths. That is a serious case ratio of around 5% with a death rate of 0.3%. With the cruise ship being filled with older people those are actually really good numbers so far.
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So why are so many dying in China?
 
Arcc said:
I said last week the cruise ship will be a good test case with a diverse ethnicity. There are 620+ cases, 300+ with no symptoms, 27 serious and two deaths. That is a serious case ratio of around 5% with a death rate of 0.3%. With the cruise ship being filled with older people those are actually really good numbers so far.
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The death rate outside of China is lower. It probably is at least somewhat related to the fact that the healthcare systems where these folks are going to are not overwhelmed. Also, at least the way it currently appears, the serious condition phase doesn't usually set in for 10-14 days. At that time, you either go downhill or start getting better. Quite a few of these people were recently diagnosed.
 
Flurry said:
Another "factual" article from the NY Times...Already talking about Russia meddling in the upcoming 2020 election to re-elect Trump....Give it a break, NY Times...You are not a credible source of news...PERIOD!!


And, the rebuttal...Think I believe this guy over the NY Times

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Hoax #7 in the making if they can get if off the ground....
 
weatherfide said:
So why are so many dying in China?
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The only real high rate of death is in Hubei provence, I think the rest of China has a 0.15 to 0.3 death rate which is likely still lower if you say they are only picking up half of the cases.

As I said above a DR from the US is there and he is saying they are getting both the coronavirus and the flu at the same time from failure to isolate.
 
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Rain Cold said:
The death rate outside of China is lower. It probably is at least somewhat related to the fact that the healthcare systems where these folks are going to are not overwhelmed. Also, at least the way it currently appears, the serious condition phase doesn't usually set in for 10-14 days. At that time, you either go downhill or start getting better. Quite a few of these people were recently diagnosed.
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That will be the key thing to watch, but so far it looks promising as does the numbers from Singapore which are releasing more people each day than confirmed case with a death rate of 0%. Critical numbers are down there from 12 to 4.
 
it looks like unless something drastic happens Bernie is definitely gonna be the frontrunner going to the convention

The question is do they try and take it from him because a lot of Democrats don't think he can win and are worried about down ticket races(though doing that would for sure start a riot because Bernie's supporters are loud)
 
Brent said:
it looks like unless something drastic happens Bernie is definitely gonna be the frontrunner going to the convention

The question is do they try and take it from him because a lot of Democrats don't think he can win and are worried about down ticket races(though doing that would for sure start a riot because Bernie's supporters are loud)
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Gonna be interesting for sure. They will take him down and treat him like Trump. Wild ride. Enjoy the show.
 
I'm just gonna throw it out there, Bernie Sanders is going to pull an upset victory in SC. It may be only 3 or 4 points, but it will be a victory. Polling average has Sanders within 4 points of Biden and Biden's supposed "firewall" among people of my race has clearly taken a beating. He went from a 30+ lead to a 7 point lead among blacks in SC. If that's not the biggest red flag you might be in trouble, I don't know what is. Also Pete is so damn insufferable to me. When he started campaigning, his padvisers must of forgot to tell him he's not running for class president. ?
 
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Weatherlover92 said:
I'm just gonna throw it out there, Bernie Sanders is going to pull an upset victory in SC. It may be only 3 or 4 points, but it will be a victory. Polling average has Sanders within 4 points of Biden and Biden's supposed "firewall" among people of my race has clearly taken a beating. He went from a 30+ lead to a 7 point lead among blacks in SC. If that's not the biggest red flag you might be in trouble, I don't know what is. Also Pete is so damn insufferable to me. When he started campaigning, his padvisers must of forgot to tell him he's not running for class president. ?
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lol I just think Buttigeg is too young... he'll probably be a lot better down the road, I mean he's half the age of Biden and Bernie!

oh and yeah if Biden doesn't win SC its over... I mean he left NH for SC before the polls even closed...

one of my liberal friends earlier told me he's voting for Biden here because Bernie is "too old" I nearly choked on my drink since they are 14 months apart :p I get that maybe you believe Biden is more electable (if you look at the polls that said Hillary would win) but age really????
 
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Soooo...Gavin Newsom thinks that homes should be written like prescriptions?? I don't even know what to say to that. These are the kinds of things that makes me think that CA will be red one day. Let's don't even say red...let's just say normal, rational and actually for the people for real. It's unbelievable. But...it's also unbelievable that America is even to the point of considering a socialist/communist for Prez. Interesting times. If I were Bernie, I would watch my back. Seriously. The WB on the Obama Admin found dead..We need to get past these scary times.
 
Brent said:
lol I just think Buttigeg is too young... he'll probably be a lot better down the road, I mean he's half the age of Biden and Bernie!

oh and yeah if Biden doesn't win SC its over... I mean he left NH for SC before the polls even closed...

one of my liberal friends earlier told me he's voting for Biden here because Bernie is "too old" I nearly choked on my drink since they are 14 months apart :p I get that maybe you believe Biden is more electable (if you look at the polls that said Hillary would win) but age really????
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Some in better shape than trump.
 
Coronovirus saw Big case spikes over the weekend in South Korea,Italy ,Iran. No doubt we wont escape this highly contagious bug here in the USA. Really taking its toll on supply chains now as the whole world is in bed with Asia thanks in large part to the cheap labor.
We probably should have a dedicated thread for solely the Coronovirus. Getting ready to be a highly discussed topic.
 
NCSNOW said:
Coronovirus saw Big case spikes over the weekend in South Korea,Italy ,Iran. No doubt we wont escape this highly contagious bug here in the USA. Really taking its toll on supply chains now as the whole world is in bed with Asia thanks in large part to the cheap labor.
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This isn't about the death toll its about containment protocols and how they will effect the US.
 
Italy 5 dead and 200 infected. We will better be able to assess the mortality rate off data from Italy and South Korea. 5 out of 200 is 2.5.
Dow Jones down 800 today already
 
Shaggy said:
This isn't about the death toll its about containment protocols and how they will effect the US.
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Oh I agree. Im not sold this has as high a mortality rate as the spanish flu pandemic. Not sold it want rival or match it yet eitheir. None the less, this is clearly to me a Global pandemic in its genesis stage right now. Weve lost the window to contain ,or isolate. Its gonna have a lot of effect on commerce etc here stateside directly as containment protocols will likely unfold. Hope Im wrong and we can buy more time, maybe it takes a summer break like the flu. That would increase chances of vaccine. Its clear across the print media today the drumbeat is a lot louder as W H O is pretty much implying they think this is the direction we are headed now and past the point of return.
 
I stand corrected. DOW down 900
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NCSNOW said:
Oh I agree. Im not sold this has as high a mortality rate as the spanish flu pandemic. Not sold it want rival or match it yet eitheir. None the less, this is clearly to me a Global pandemic in its genesis stage right now. Weve lost the window to contain ,or isolate. Its gonna have a lot of effect on commerce etc here stateside directly as containment protocols will likely unfold. Hope Im wrong and we can buy more time, maybe it takes a summer break like the flu. That would increase chances of vaccine. Its clear across the print media today the drumbeat is a lot louder as W H O is pretty much implying they think this is the direction we are headed now and past the point of return.
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Other countries have done major lockdowns of towns and regions with only a couple hundred cases. The US will have to decide if they want buck that trend and not do as other nations have done or do we go with lockdowns and slow our economy.

The reports out of Qom are true then that's almost a 20% fatality rate for them?
 
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