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Shaggy said:
Lamar Alexander sums it up well. The house proved their case but so what.
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Thats not exactly what he said.

" i worked with other senators to make sure that we have the right to ask for more document's and witnesses, but there is no need for more evidence to prove something that has already been proven and that does not meet the us constitution's high bar for an impeachable offense."

Quit spinning a narrative that doesnt exist. Whoopy do if Trump talked on a phone with Ukraine with 20 folks listening in on call, released transcript, and had concerns about previous corruption regarding our former administration and theres.

This crap should have and never would have been brought up for a house impeachment without the insaine runing the assylum in the house. This whistle blower nonsense concoction by Schiff is the same as the crappy Hillary bought and paid for dossiey Russia mess. Average American sees whats going on today with the Media and Democrats. Swamp is fully expossed for what it is and has been.
 
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The Socialist Anti Trump MAGA movement looses the 2020 election tonight when this wraps up. Yes the same bunch will concoct another manufactured crisis, cause all of you know the MAGA movement, where just enough American voters still exist, fully reject what the Democrat Progressive liberal Socialist movement has done to erode this great country.

The opposition Democrat Socialist movement truly hates America and blames, thinks American Capitilism is the great satan in the world. Needs to be erradicated, changed.
 
NCSNOW said:
The Socialist Anti Trump MAGA movement looses the 2020 election tonight when this wraps up. Yes the same bunch will concoct another manufactured crisis, cause all of you know the MAGA movement, where just enough American voters still exist, fully reject what the Democrat Progressive liberal Socialist movement has done to erode this great country.

The opposition Democrat Socialist movement truly hates America and blames, thinks American Capitilism is the great satan in the world. Needs to be erradicated, changed.
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Hate America?
 
It's pretty incredible some of the promises Elizabeth Warren is making in an attempt to remain relevent in the 2020 race.

"During a campaign event in Iowa Sunday, Warren said “a young trans person [had] asked about a welcoming community and I said, ‘It starts with the Secretary of Education, who has a lot to do with where we spend our money’ … and I said, ‘I’m going to have a Secretary of Education that this young trans person interviews on my behalf,'”

She added that “only if this person believes that our Secretary of Education nominee is committed to creating a welcoming environment, a safe environment, and a full educational curriculum for everyone, will that person be advanced to actually be Secretary of Education.” Source

Not sure I've heard anything more absurd in my life lol. She's going to let a 9 year old interview and be the main decision for who she chooses as the secretary of education?
 
NCSNOW said:
The Socialist Anti Trump MAGA movement looses the 2020 election tonight when this wraps up. Yes the same bunch will concoct another manufactured crisis, cause all of you know the MAGA movement, where just enough American voters still exist, fully reject what the Democrat Progressive liberal Socialist movement has done to erode this great country.

The opposition Democrat Socialist movement truly hates America and blames, thinks American Capitilism is the great satan in the world. Needs to be erradicated, changed.
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Uh what? I don't think that many on the left of the center worship socialism as you think they do.
 
ForsythSnow said:
Uh what? I don't think that many on the left of the center worship socialism as you think they do.
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That's the real issue. Where does the left voting block really stand? They seem to be all over the place. I guess it depends on whether you drive a BMW around town or a grocery cart on the way to your cardboard box in shantyville. My belief is that inner city America needs to decide if this war on poverty has really been worth the votes every 4 years
 
Sandbar said:
That's the real issue. Where does the left voting block really stand? They seem to be all over the place. I guess it depends on whether you drive a BMW around town or a grocery cart on the way to your cardboard box in shantyville. My belief is that inner city America needs to decide if this war on poverty has really been worth the votes every 4 years
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There was nothing there.. democrats had their chance with 16 witnesses in the house and still couldn’t prove trump did anything wrong. Obama and his cronies did the same thing to help Clinton but again this is not a impeachable offense. Kennedy used the KBG trying to get dirt on Ronald Reagan ( look at your history)..The truth be known democrats got their ass kicked in 2016 they already had Clinton acceptance speech and then the hammer drops and that’s why there are so many videos and pictures of liberals crying because they thought and knew that Clinton was gonna be president. And I’m here to tell y’all that with the economy, trade , military stronger, your 401k doing great that’s what people care about the most and trump WILL be re-elected and just like 2016 they have no clue what is coming. But I have to say flipping channels this morning glanced at CNN they looked piss and defeated. Again just look how many people are still coming out at trump rallies the impeachment crap has brought democrats and more independents over to republicans side. Democrats have swung way to far to the left. Even with African Americans ( democrats depend on them to stay afloat) trump had 8% of their vote in 2016 now he is averaging 18 to 34 percent.. THAT IS HUGE!! People realize that this was a waste of taxpayer money just like democrats did with Russia collusion if fell flat on democrats face. Normal people see that democrats are desperate to get rid of trump and it will stop when republicans take back the house because every since democrats have taken the house they have done nothing but try to impeach him from day one!! BTW Biden is done because out of all of this he and his son got exposed!!
 
Sandbar said:
That's the real issue. Where does the left voting block really stand? They seem to be all over the place. I guess it depends on whether you drive a BMW around town or a grocery cart on the way to your cardboard box in shantyville. My belief is that inner city America needs to decide if this war on poverty has really been worth the votes every 4 years
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So he stands for upper class, all hail king trump.
 
crecre9 said:
Yes and I did both. If you listened as well you know that I am right.
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"What these breathless accounts of Dershowitz’s words have in common is just how wrong they are. Let’s look at the quote in question. He says, “If the president does something that he thinks will help him get elected, in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment.” The context here matters a lot, and in fairness Dershowitz could have been a bit clearer. In fact, he did clarify his remarks in the evening session of senators’ questions.

Prior to this selection of his statements, Dershowitz laid out three types of motives the president could have had for his actions. First, one purely and solely concerned with the national interest, second one in which his motive also includes his electoral interests, and third one in which personal gain is his only motivation. In the quote in question, he was talking directly about that second possibility, which he would later describe as “mixed motives.”

This is extremely important because Dershowitz is predicating his argument that the president may act in the interest of his own electoral chances but only if he believes those actions to be in the broader national interest. Dershowitz is not saying that the president could kill a political rival and it wouldn’t be impeachable if he thought that killing was in the national interest. First of all, murder is a crime, and there is no crime alleged in the impeachment, which lies at the heart of Dershowitz’s broader constitutional argument.

What Dershowitz is saying is that when a president is faced with a lawful policy choice that may benefit him politically, he is not barred from making that choice on the basis that it could help him. Politicians do this all the time." Source
 
snowlover91 said:
"What these breathless accounts of Dershowitz’s words have in common is just how wrong they are. Let’s look at the quote in question. He says, “If the president does something that he thinks will help him get elected, in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment.” The context here matters a lot, and in fairness Dershowitz could have been a bit clearer. In fact, he did clarify his remarks in the evening session of senators’ questions.

Prior to this selection of his statements, Dershowitz laid out three types of motives the president could have had for his actions. First, one purely and solely concerned with the national interest, second one in which his motive also includes his electoral interests, and third one in which personal gain is his only motivation. In the quote in question, he was talking directly about that second possibility, which he would later describe as “mixed motives.”

This is extremely important because Dershowitz is predicating his argument that the president may act in the interest of his own electoral chances but only if he believes those actions to be in the broader national interest. Dershowitz is not saying that the president could kill a political rival and it wouldn’t be impeachable if he thought that killing was in the national interest. First of all, murder is a crime, and there is no crime alleged in the impeachment, which lies at the heart of Dershowitz’s broader constitutional argument.

What Dershowitz is saying is that when a president is faced with a lawful policy choice that may benefit him politically, he is not barred from making that choice on the basis that it could help him. Politicians do this all the time." Source
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What was it 40 presidents have been accused of abuse of power? The democrats are going to take a beating over this. They look weak. VERY WEAK, and we can thank Trump for it because he has delivered a beat down on them
 
The Democrats Called 18 witness's
Trump never got to question them, and Trump has called 0.

Stop with the narrative witnesses never got called. Lol at this charade the Dem/Socialists put on. Anything to avoid campaiging on the issues.
 
KXAN reported that as Bolton was speaking to a private gathering for an investment firm in Austin, Texas, he defended several of the officials who testified in the House impeachment hearings, including Alexander Vindman, William Taylor, Fiona Hill, Tim Morrison and Marie Yovanovitch.

"All of them acted in the best interest of the country as they saw it and consistent to what they thought our policies were," Bolton told the audience during a Q&A session, according to KXAN. "The idea that somehow testifying to what you think is true is destructive to the system of government we have — I think, is very nearly the reverse — the exact reverse of the truth."
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I have an issue with this. If Trump had a QPQ it wouldn't surprise me at all, but I disagree with this. If you testify on something you think is true, that is gossip and it is destructive to anything or anybody.
 
These GOP Senators are trotting out their excuses already....they know the optics of this are going to be terrible and for the ones in deep red states it will be fine but those in battleground states voting for no witnesses are gonna catch hell....

This statement from Sen Rubio for instance...let that sink in, this green lights Trump to do whatever the hell he wants because the GOP senate will NOT hold him accountable....Trump is getting what he wants and will be emboldened by this to continue to do whatever he wants without fear over oversight.....

“Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. …
… I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation.”
 
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