mydoortotheworld
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Honestly kind of crazy. Pop up twisters. Instant classic way to end 2021
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Severe New Years Severe Weather Event
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BufordWX
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Still gotta watch those circulations near Dahlonega. At least these have rain.
BHS1975
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Zander98al
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Wtc lol, that almost seems wrong cause it's all mid 60s nearby then you have 70s in Birmingham. If that's really the case, that isn't good.
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Snowflowxxl
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This is stunning with the sunset. I would be admiring it instead of getting inside lol
JHS
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A small cell seems to be slowly getting its act together northeast of Anderson SC now with another decent cell in the northeast GA mountains both moving east-northeast.
BufordWX
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Watch the cell near Flower Branch. May not look like much but we’ve seen something from less today.
JHS
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Cell near Anderson not looking as good now. Other showers and possible storms going from west of Clayton GA over to southern Union county in SC now.
Saw this on wsbtv's facebook page. It's listed as the Covington Tornado.
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Zander98al
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00z HRRR finally coming out ??
BufordWX
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Are we about to see another weird cell? This one is in northeastern Alabama.
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Zander98al
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00z HRRR is showing supercells forming ahead of the line in Mississippi and moving into Alabama at about 2 o'clock.
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Zander98al
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Checking the mid level lapse rates per pivotal weather on the 00z hrrr. It's actually bringing lapse rates to near 7 in the northwest chunk of the state by 3 o'clock.
Could be very serious after dark. Surface winds back substantially. Pay no attention to low level lapse rates here as the HRRR decouples the boundary layer. This is near BHM.
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Zander98al
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Don't like seeing the sickle, no beuno. Actually a very bad hodo. Large hodo
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Zander98al
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The HRRR actually shows SB cape increasing with those backed winds overnight or at least maintains. Crazy
BufordWX
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Cape and low level lapse rates would be higher than progged with the HRRR decoupling the boundary layer. It must have too much GFS in it.
Ron Burgundy
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Ruled it a tornado, didja? ? And yes, I fully respect NWS’s scientific process…
Both WRFs look to show about the same thermos as the HRRR, however show almost zero convection. You can’t pull soundings so I’m not sure if they are decoupling as well. If any cells can get going from 3-10pm or so across central and north AL, it will get really dangerous.
3km NAM has low level lapse rates 5.1-5.3C across central AL tomorrow evening.
Cad Wedge NC
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You are a GW troll. That is that is a fact. You have already been told that there is a thread for your babble, yet you still insert your GW jabs whenever you can.
BHS1975
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Enough! Don’t make us hit the timeout button please.
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Zander98al
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Sounds too low, also the cams your talking about in the previous post. Are the ones that showed very strong updraft swaths that didn't do much, going to take those with a grain of salt lol
Will be a tough forecast for SPC and the various NWS. Looks like all or nothing.
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Zander98al
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Think there taking the all route with how they've worded things.
Lostnthaweather85
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Idk the way I read them they sounded like the threat was conditional and they weren’t sold one way or another.
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Zander98al
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I read the opposite tbh. At least for north and Central alabama
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Claycochaser
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From BMX
Severe Potential:
The threat for severe storms tonight into Sunday morning appears to
have several limiting factors. In the event that updrafts are strong
enough to take advantage of the abundant wind shear, damaging winds
and tornadoes could occur. This potential appears low at this
time, but mesoscale trends will need to be monitored. Based on
the reasons outlined below, the Enhanced Risk has been trimmed to
only cover the far northwestern portion of the forecast area.
Total removal of the Enhanced Risk was considered.
1. Height falls through the afternoon appear negligible as a strong
ridge holds firm over the Bahamas. Aside from passing showers and
perhaps a thunderstorm or two, relatively warm temperatures aloft
should prevent sustained robust updrafts through the afternoon.
Forecast soundings indicate warm temperatures aloft persisting
into the evening and overnight hours except for right along the
cold front. Updrafts may continue to sputter and struggle to
acquire strong mesocyclones.
2. With the lead shortwave merely sliding by to our north, large-
scale ascent over the warm sector will be minimized, reducing the
chance for pre-frontal storm development.
3. The lead shortwave will shear out across the Ohio Valley while
the main trough axis lags over the southern Plains, leading to
slow height falls during the evening and overnight hours. This
will support an elongated area of low pressure along the
approaching cold front instead of a well-defined surface low.
4. Mid-level flow will be nearly parallel to the cold front and the
potential QLCS along the front, limiting the potential for damaging
winds and mesovortices.
87/Grantham
Severe Potential:
The threat for severe storms tonight into Sunday morning appears to
have several limiting factors. In the event that updrafts are strong
enough to take advantage of the abundant wind shear, damaging winds
and tornadoes could occur. This potential appears low at this
time, but mesoscale trends will need to be monitored. Based on
the reasons outlined below, the Enhanced Risk has been trimmed to
only cover the far northwestern portion of the forecast area.
Total removal of the Enhanced Risk was considered.
1. Height falls through the afternoon appear negligible as a strong
ridge holds firm over the Bahamas. Aside from passing showers and
perhaps a thunderstorm or two, relatively warm temperatures aloft
should prevent sustained robust updrafts through the afternoon.
Forecast soundings indicate warm temperatures aloft persisting
into the evening and overnight hours except for right along the
cold front. Updrafts may continue to sputter and struggle to
acquire strong mesocyclones.
2. With the lead shortwave merely sliding by to our north, large-
scale ascent over the warm sector will be minimized, reducing the
chance for pre-frontal storm development.
3. The lead shortwave will shear out across the Ohio Valley while
the main trough axis lags over the southern Plains, leading to
slow height falls during the evening and overnight hours. This
will support an elongated area of low pressure along the
approaching cold front instead of a well-defined surface low.
4. Mid-level flow will be nearly parallel to the cold front and the
potential QLCS along the front, limiting the potential for damaging
winds and mesovortices.
87/Grantham
HSVweather
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Huntsville AFD
Despite the conditional threat during the afternoon, the forecast becomes much more concerning by the evening as the upper-trough and cold front approaches from the west. Very strong low-level winds and vertical wind shear will become established over the region as a LLJ
begins to nose into the area just ahead of the front. Resultant model soundings indicate large, looping hodographs, with 0-1 SRH values of 200-300 m2/s2. Surface dewpoints in the mid to upper 60s
will yield MLCAPE values of 500-1000 J/kg, more than sufficient for tornadic supercells in this very strongly-sheared environment. While the initial lack of forcing/weak height falls may discourage robust convection during earlier in the day, our feeling is that this will change by the evening and there will at least be a narrow window for
strong, discrete supercell development just ahead of the intense line of storms that will be moving in along the cold front. Should
this occur, these storms would pose a significant severe threat in the form of strong tornadoes. Timing of the most severe convection has slowed down slightly in these latest model runs. The latest guidance is focusing on a 23-01z timeframe for discrete storms to form ahead of the line that should be approaching northwest Alabama by 00-01z and sweeping east across the area during the 00-06z window from west to east. It should be noted that the storm mode along the line itself may end up being quite messy, but a strong tornado threat
will persist in any embedded supercell structures that can form. This tornado threat will also accompany a threat for strong damaging winds, hail, and heavy rainfall.
Despite the conditional threat during the afternoon, the forecast becomes much more concerning by the evening as the upper-trough and cold front approaches from the west. Very strong low-level winds and vertical wind shear will become established over the region as a LLJ
begins to nose into the area just ahead of the front. Resultant model soundings indicate large, looping hodographs, with 0-1 SRH values of 200-300 m2/s2. Surface dewpoints in the mid to upper 60s
will yield MLCAPE values of 500-1000 J/kg, more than sufficient for tornadic supercells in this very strongly-sheared environment. While the initial lack of forcing/weak height falls may discourage robust convection during earlier in the day, our feeling is that this will change by the evening and there will at least be a narrow window for
strong, discrete supercell development just ahead of the intense line of storms that will be moving in along the cold front. Should
this occur, these storms would pose a significant severe threat in the form of strong tornadoes. Timing of the most severe convection has slowed down slightly in these latest model runs. The latest guidance is focusing on a 23-01z timeframe for discrete storms to form ahead of the line that should be approaching northwest Alabama by 00-01z and sweeping east across the area during the 00-06z window from west to east. It should be noted that the storm mode along the line itself may end up being quite messy, but a strong tornado threat
will persist in any embedded supercell structures that can form. This tornado threat will also accompany a threat for strong damaging winds, hail, and heavy rainfall.
Interesting BMX scaled back their enhanced risk area to include only the northwest counties.
HSVweather
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This is the latest HRRR 10z, if any discrete cells form like shown from golden triangle to Huntsville around 1400-1600, those are the most concerning.
HSVweather
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1500 forecasted sounding from Morgan county ahead of those projected cells on the 10Z HRRR
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Zander98al
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Those weather balloon soundings are going to be critical This afternoon