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Learning Global Warming facts and fiction

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pcbjr said:
If you mean back before ... they had no internet that you use, no weather board to spout off on ... no running water, no extended expected life span ... (nor did anyone else) ... wanna go back? Glad to sell you a piece of real estate that exists right now / today that will put you right there ... bet you come back for comforts in 6 weeks ...
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Lol when civilization collapses we will all be back there.


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BHS1975 said:
Lol when civilization collapses we will all be back there.


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Leaving this discussion for my nice warm healthy and 2019 dinner in my climate controlled home, then in to my twilled cotton sheets, to be followed by a hot shower and shave when I wake ... but to close, "when"? Sounds like a Zager and Evans song ...
 
pcbjr said:
Leaving this discussion for my nice warm healthy and 2019 dinner in my climate controlled home, then in to my twilled cotton sheets, to be followed by a hot shower and shave when I wake ... but to close, "when"? Sounds like a Zager and Evans song ...
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Enjoy it while it lasts. I’m just living one day to the next and happy to still be alive.


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BHS1975 said:
Enjoy it while it lasts. I’m just living one day to the next and happy to still be alive.


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If you think that we are going to be dead from climate change in less than 100 years that's even more absurd.
BHS1975 said:
Yeah it will eventually collapse because as weather disasters and coastal flooding increase the insurance companies will collapse (already starting to happen in California) and the economic system will collapse as the government won’t be able to pay for any more disaster relief.


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California is a completely different case because they're like the experimental grounds of radical policy. The state is too expensive and a lot of the issues are related to poor building choices decades ago. The fires are always going to be there and if you look at the electrical company situation they're poor infrastructure causes a lot of them. Homelessness is poor policies on the people. Oh and homeowners insurance? California isn't the most expensive. In fact, Minnesota is more than California as of 2018.
 
ForsythSnow said:
If you think that we are going to be dead from climate change in less than 100 years that's even more absurd.

California is a completely different case because they're like the experimental grounds of radical policy. The state is too expensive and a lot of the issues are related to poor building choices decades ago. The fires are always going to be there and if you look at the electrical company situation they're poor infrastructure causes a lot of them. Homelessness is poor policies on the people. Oh and homeowners insurance? California isn't the most expensive. In fact, Minnesota is more than California as of 2018.
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Climate change itself won’t kill you but you’re neighbor next door might when anarchy takes over and it’s everyman for themselves.


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Maybe it won’t collapse and turn into some type of military state instead


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BHS1975 said:
Climate change itself won’t kill you but you’re neighbor next door might when anarchy takes over and it’s everyman for themselves.


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Yeah sure lol. The world isn't going to end anytime soon due to the climate. You act like adaptation isn't an option and people are animals.
 
It’s funny how folks continue living in their own reality oblivious to what’s really going on in the world around them even when presented with hard evidence that shows otherwise.


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BHS1975 said:
It’s funny how folks continue living in their own reality oblivious to what’s really going on in the world around them even when presented with hard evidence that shows otherwise.


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There's no reason to change anything that I am doing. I know how this world ends, there is no doubt in my mind.
 
IMO, we have a better chance of getting hit by an asteroid than burning the world up through AGW. If they don't stop adjusting the temps to give us a quasi accurate data set from previous decades, we have no chance of determining what really is happening. We are talking about temps of .3 to .7C difference and that is statistically insignificant over a century or so
 
I'm a very firm believer in global warming. I'm even starting to come around to the idea maybe it is man made. However, I don't buy into these doomsday predictions. We'd be centuries from that and we're already taking steps to cut emissions. Once we do cut out fossil fuels the planet will absorb the co2 and levels will drop. Just my opinion.
 
As a person and parent really concerned about climate change, and after reading through this discussion, I agree with BHS1975 as far as taking it seriously, but I also agree with everyone else that I doubt it will end civilization. My big concern is that my children’s quality of life will suffer and be worse than mine, people with no power will be even more harmed , and our way of life will be more forced to change rather on doing it more on our own terms. As I tell my patients who continue to smoke, you can sacrifice the cigarettes now and quit for your future good, or your body will force it on you in very painful ways down the road , your choice. I just hope we make rational practical decisions about it now and not when it is past the point of no return.
 
Look how far north the 0c 850 line is. Where getting crazy weather like this all the time now.

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This is why we should be cooling right now but the enormous CO2 increase is dwarfing this effect.






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BHS1975 said:
Look how far north the 0c 850 line is. Where getting crazy weather like this all the time now.

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If this is your argument for GW then I call bs on GW because it got down to 20 at my house this morning.
 
metwannabe said:
If this is your argument for GW then I call bs on GW because it got down to 20 at my house this morning.
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It is not bs... yeah u going have a day below freezing here n there... look at all the glacier melt... average temps keep going up... never get any sustained cold hardly like winters 60s and 70s. Even 80s
 
tennessee storm said:
It is not bs... yeah u going have a day below freezing here n there... look at all the glacier melt... average temps keep going up... never get any sustained cold hardly like winters 60s and 70s. Even 80s
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My point was, if your argument for GW is a NAM 850 temp map then my low of 20 is argument against....
 
Look at these 850’s at the pole..That’s crazy cold..and it all stems from the pole. Arctic sea ice is about to go gangbusters. Healthy PV to end the old year and start the new 9DE1DF3C-CDB1-40A1-BFF3-960925690219.png
 
Still a lot of work to do to just to get the Arctic back down to averaging normal for a sustained period outside of late spring and summer:

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It wasn’t just making an observation.


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Weather =/= climate change!!!!!!!!
Weather can be affected by it, but that's the same argument so many try and make. There is correlation, NOT causation!!! This is a bad pattern and using the US as a sample size on top of it being a short term pattern to try and discuss a global thing is like trying to prove the sky is red because you held a red-colored piece of plastic on your face.
 
ForsythSnow said:
Weather =/= climate change!!!!!!!!
Weather can be affected by it, but that's the same argument so many try and make. There is correlation, NOT causation!!! This is a bad pattern and using the US as a sample size on top of it being a short term pattern to try and discuss a global thing is like trying to prove the sky is red because you held a red-colored piece of plastic on your face.
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I never said it did. I was just making an observation of warmth in the upper levels made more likely by AGW.


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BHS1975 said:
I never said it did. I was just making an observation of warmth in the upper levels made more likely by AGW.


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The warmth in the upper levels is due to the blocking configuration which evacuates the cold air to the other side of the Northern Hemisphere, not due to GW specifically. Here’s a better way to look at it.

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snowlover91 said:
The warmth in the upper levels is due to the blocking configuration which evacuates the cold air to the other side of the Northern Hemisphere, not due to GW specifically. Here’s a better way to look at it.

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In case you and others didn't know: "The linear correlation coefficient analysis shows that there exists a high significant positive
correlation (+0.82) between global 500 hpa geopotential height and global warming (global mean surface air temperature)."

From: https://www.scirp.org/pdf/ACS_2014070914195962.pdf
 
snowlover91 said:
The warmth in the upper levels is due to the blocking configuration which evacuates the cold air to the other side of the Northern Hemisphere, not due to GW specifically. Here’s a better way to look at it.

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It can’t be cold everywhere at the same time and that’s a hard concept to grasp. Arctic ice is forecasted to be on the move in the coming weeks
 
GaWx said:
In case you and others didn't know: "The linear correlation coefficient analysis shows that there exists a high significant positive
correlation (+0.82) between global 500 hpa geopotential height and global warming (global mean surface air temperature)."

From: https://www.scirp.org/pdf/ACS_2014070914195962.pdf
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BHS post was taking a random warm day and saying “this doesn’t usually happen and AGW is real and we’re all gonna die” as a proof for his position. That would be the same as a person taking a brutal cold shot and saying global cooling is happening, it’s just not a good argument to use no matter which side a person stands on in the debate.

Have you read the paper you linked? I’ve never heard of that author before but wow it is fraught with serious grammatical errors that make it incredibly difficult to understand what they’re trying to say at times or simply worded incredibly odd. Not sure if it’s a language barrier/translation issue or what but here are a few examples of what I mean below.

“The extreme weather phenomena had been recorded over the globe and became more frequent through the last decades. The stability conditions like as, blocking systems, fluctuations in precipitation and temperature, strong and extreme frequency of hurricanes, heat waves, droughts, flash floods, extreme weather events and global warming through the year.”

“One can conclude that the global warming causes extremely increasing anomaly of global annual geopotential height. So that the stability conditions over the globe was changed through the last three decades and extreme weather phenomena existed.”

A much better paper imo is this one here which makes a similar analysis but doesn’t have the weird grammatical/language issues.
 
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BHS post was taking a random warm day and saying “this doesn’t usually happen and AGW is real and we’re all gonna die” as a proof for his position. That would be the same as a person taking a brutal cold shot and saying global cooling is happening, it’s just not a good argument to use no matter which side a person stands on in the debate.

Have you read the paper you linked? I’ve never heard of that author before but wow it is fraught with serious grammatical errors that make it incredibly difficult to understand what they’re trying to say at times or simply worded incredibly odd. Not sure if it’s a language barrier/translation issue or what but here are a few examples of what I mean below.

“The extreme weather phenomena had been recorded over the globe and became more frequent through the last decades. The stability conditions like as, blocking systems, fluctuations in precipitation and temperature, strong and extreme frequency of hurricanes, heat waves, droughts, flash floods, extreme weather events and global warming through the year.”

“One can conclude that the global warming causes extremely increasing anomaly of global annual geopotential height. So that the stability conditions over the globe was changed through the last three decades and extreme weather phenomena existed.”

A much better paper imo is this one here which makes a similar analysis but doesn’t have the weird grammatical/language issues.
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I mean it’s common sense really. You warm the planet the atmosphere puffs up raising heights. And as far as that snarky comment yes we would die if nuclear war and conventional war is more likely due to destabilization and tropical diseases carried by mosquitos move north and more heatstroke/hypothermia etc etc. Of course these risks can be drastically reduced by halting emissions.


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Yeah, Global Warming could also attract an asteroid from deep space, cause it to change course and crash into earth thereby ending civilization as we know it. Also, it might cause the Yellowstone volcano to go off and turn the midwest into the Sahara
 
BHS1975 said:
I mean it’s common sense really. You warm the planet the atmosphere puffs up raising heights. And as far as that snarky comment yes we would die if nuclear war and conventional war is more likely due to destabilization and tropical diseases carried by mosquitos move north and more heatstroke/hypothermia etc etc. Of course these risks can be drastically reduced by halting emissions.


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Good luck getting China to stop their emissions, and other developing countries too. The latest climate conference ended in disaster and no real progress on a solution. War and nuclear war is always a threat when you have rogue countries like N Korea, Russia or China who want to control the world.

Btw the green energy policies in CA have not been working out very well and the high taxes, regulations and other issues are significantly affecting things there now. I’ve read some articles where it’s suggested that the whole reason the electric company over there has dealt with fires and shutting power down is due to the green management policies forcing them to use maintenance funds to instead implement “green energy” instead of maintaining infrastructure. As a result now when major wind arrives people deal with 0 power for days and guess what they’re running for backup electricity? Yep, fossil fuel generators. If that’s what you want for all of America then that’s a huge step backwards imo.
 
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