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Freezing Rain, Sleet, Snow, Rain...Kitchen Sink (12/15-16)

We are lucky to have an easier forecast of just a little ice and cold rain. Imagine being north in central and northern Virginia trying to predict snow amounts with this huge ass warm nose. I would have a headache trying to do maps up there.
 
We are lucky to have an easier forecast of just a little ice and cold rain. Imagine being north in central and northern Virginia trying to predict snow amounts with this huge ass warm nose. I would have a headache trying to do maps up there.

Predicting snow amounts with a big warm nose? That's an easy one, take the warmest model and run w/ it, you're usually right.
 
RGEM is ALWAYS over done on Ice totals. But usually does a pretty good job on where the ice will be.
And yes hard to bet against the NAM temp profiles, but in this case It’s just like NCSNOW said LP placement is the difference with the temps.

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We are lucky to have an easier forecast of just a little ice and cold rain. Imagine being north in central and northern Virginia trying to predict snow amounts with this huge ass warm nose. I would have a headache trying to do maps up there.
Lol
 
I’d say our best sign will be this evening. I’d love to see clear skies and get some good radiational cooling. Crossing below freezing by around midnight would be great. Dew points in the mid-20s (even pretty far upstream) aren’t going to help a whole lot in the wet bulb department. If we can trend even just a degree or two cooler than forecasted, we’d be looking at upper-20s wet bulbs instead of near-30 wet bulbs. I suppose model trends today will be interesting as well, but to me, this is going to turn into a nowcasting scenario pretty quickly, and every degree counts!
 
If you live in the CAD regions and want an ice storm better hope the HRRR is underestimating the cold dry push. The 3k looked better but was still underwhelming.
That is weird, considering the HRRR consistently keeps having the high near the U.S border.
 
I’d say our best sign will be this evening. I’d love to see clear skies and get some good radiational cooling. Crossing below freezing by around midnight would be great. Dew points in the mid-20s (even pretty far upstream) aren’t going to help a whole lot in the wet bulb department. If we can trend even just a degree or two cooler than forecasted, we’d be looking at upper-20s wet bulbs instead of near-30 wet bulbs. I suppose model trends today will be interesting as well, but to me, this is going to turn into a nowcasting scenario pretty quickly, and every degree counts!
THIS. It's getting near the radar watching and dew/temp monitoring time.
 
I think the freezing rain accumulation maps were on the low end because the majority of the run was sleet. And a bunch of it.
Wouldn't be surprised close to the mountains where the 925 flow can stay tapped to the NE and continue the cold dry feed. Not sure if below freezing from say 900/925 to sfc is enough for sleet but many areas are below freezing at 925 through 18z tomorrow
 
That is weird, considering the HRRR consistently keeps having the high near the U.S border.
There's some interesting things going on with the low level winds to our north. A lot of models are veering sfc winds east across PA/Maryland toward the inverted trough and parent sfc low which would interrupt the higher quality cold/dry feed
 
Is the HRRR reliable when it comes to stuff like placement of high pressures because it has consistently been having the high pressure near the U.S border
 
There's some interesting things going on with the low level winds to our north. A lot of models are veering sfc winds east across PA/Maryland toward the inverted trough and parent sfc low which would interrupt the higher quality cold/dry feed
That's interesting. I keep wondering why there isn't a stronger feed of cold dry air based on the setup. This is not insitu-cad, and the HP is pretty locked in compared to many systems we track. My brain keeps telling me that the surface temps should respond on the modeling and tick down in successive model suites as the storm draws closer. Any reasons to why the winds are wonky? @Webberweather53 do you have any ideas?
 
Pickens county sc just called off school tomorrow. Digital learning day for what will likely be a cold rain
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Yep snow day canceled for north west nc it’s all virtual learning lmao. Sucks to be them. But prob save lives even in cold rain can be slick.
 
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