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Wintry Dec 8-10th Winter Storm

There's really nothing to talk about currently until things start happening. We don't have a large mountain crowd like others, as this looks to be a very big deal around those parts.

NAM came in warm and kind of scared some off, SREF plumes are showing a mixed mess for places that are supposed to be predominantly snow.
 
There's really nothing to talk about currently until things start happening. We don't have a large mountain crowd like others, as this looks to be a very big deal around those parts.

NAM came in warm and kind of scared some off, SREF plumes are showing a mixed mess for places that are supposed to be predominantly snow.
Agreed but the GFS FV3 will Dave is all
 
Just gonna drop this bad boy off here since pivotal isn't finished (although it is truly insane in the snow areas):

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The FV3 is either the new DGEX or the kang.
Boy that would be nice!
 
Any hopes of 2 inches around dillon county in sc?

You're close to the low's track, so WAA might ruin it on the front end. But, maybe the backend can surprise you. Upper level lows are hard to forecast, tbh.
 
A 50-60+ KT jet at 700 hPa coupled to large amounts of QPF often leads to the warm nose being stronger than forecast and the heavier precipitation rates can lead to the creation of an in-situ dome (superimposed onto the larger-scale CAD) that accelerates the end of the warm nose aloft in the downwind direction as considerable latent/sensible heating is deposited onto where the warm nose is strongest while cooling occurs below the level of maximum heating aloft. Another obvious caveat with the models is they don't have sufficient vertical resolution, the proper mixing schemes, and pretty crappy convective parameterization schemes to account for all of the above, thus leading to weaker warm noses than forecast (& often the low-level cold dome is weaker than reality in these same models).


This profile on the NAM while taken at face value (bad idea) is all snow near RDU, that's an absurd amount of mid-level veering and warm air advection above the CAD dome. Apart from all of the above, I've been burned many times the last several years figuring the models would have a good handle on this feature, and figured the warm nose wouldn't be that strong, it's usually a good idea to go a few degrees warmer near the height of the warm nose in situations like this and that favors less snow and more mixed phase precipitation in areas like Charlotte and Raleigh, this could end up being a respectable ice storm for someone in/around these areas.
The NWS GSP snow forecast of 5-11" here is likely way out to lunch (shocker) and assumes more of the precipitation will fall of snow here, the main precipitation type is liable to be sleet.

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Damn that’s a hella of a vector difference. Ouch!
 
Why you say that
You can see just by the angle of the snow map. It’s now oriented SW to NE instead of E-W as it has been all along. It’s correcting to other models and now showing the low too close to and creeping up the coast. Expect that to continue and totals on the south and east sides to diminish markedly.
 
Reminder: NAM overall handles thermal structures better. It could be wrong in regards to 500/850mb though, which would throw off a lot.
 
You can see just by the angle of the snow map. It’s now oriented SW to NE instead of E-W as it has been all along. It’s correcting to other models and now showing the low too close to and creeping up the coast. Expect that to continue and totals on the south and east sides to diminish markedly.
Well all the 18z models did that so it’s concerning. I think we know how this will end. 1-2” of front end is what I am hoping for.
 
Well all the 18z models did that so it’s concerning. I think we know how this will end. 1-2” of front end is what I am hoping for.
The northwest trend can virtually ALWAYS be counted on, absent a strong block.
 
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