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Arcc said:
Absolutely true. Some of these dates will have deaths added to them, still the quick downward trend is supported by the hospital numbers just probably not as quick as that graph shows.
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Yep, agreed, the trends are certainly encouraging. NC’s hospitalizations have also displayed an encouraging trend with hospitalizations dipping below 1,000 this week.
 
NoSnowATL said:
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This is not surprising and is good news for those not old and in good health. However, this doesn’t address the non-geriatric healthy folks who got it and didn’t die but had a serious illness and in some cases have had serious enough damage to their lungs and/or heart that may have longlasting implications.
 
GaWx said:
This is not surprising and is good news for those not old and in good health. However, this doesn’t address the non-geriatric healthy folks who got it and didn’t die but had a serious illness and in some cases have had serious enough damage to their lungs and/or heart that may have longlasting implications.
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You can say the same about other viruses but we don’t shutdown for them. We can agree to disagree.
 
NoSnowATL said:
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Would you care to share how much of the population has any of these pre existing conditions? I guarantee it's over half given obesity is on there. Also respiratory failure being a 50k death toll. You get respiratory failure from having a respiratory illness. Yes I read the numbers but it's not like most of the population is perfectly safe from some of these.
 
ForsythSnow said:
Would you care to share how much of the population has any of these pre existing conditions? I guarantee it's over half given obesity is on there. Also respiratory failure being a 50k death toll. You get respiratory failure from having a respiratory illness.
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I was waiting on your reply.
 
ForsythSnow said:
Would you care to share how much of the population has any of these pre existing conditions? I guarantee it's over half given obesity is on there. Also respiratory failure being a 50k death toll. You get respiratory failure from having a respiratory illness. Yes I read the numbers but it's not like most of the population is perfectly safe from some of these.
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Same as the flu and the flu kills more children. We can agree to disagree.
 
NoSnowATL said:
You can say the same about other viruses but we don’t shutdown for them. We can agree to disagree.
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Yeah, we’re likely not going to change each other’s minds very much. But keep in mind that there were major shutdowns for the 1918-9 pandemic. So, this isn’t the first virus leading to widespread shutdowns. One other thing I forgot to mention. It doesn’t address how many would have died by now had there been no shutdowns and other safety measures taken as this is highly contagious and I believe more contagious than the average flu.
 
GaWx said:
Yeah, we’re likely not going to change each other’s minds very much. But keep in mind that there were major shutdowns for the 1918-9 pandemic. So, this isn’t the first virus leading to widespread shutdowns. One other thing I forgot to mention. It doesn’t address how many would have died by now had there been no shutdowns and other safety measures taken as this is highly contagious and I believe more contagious than the average flu.
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Probably hard to calculate that number but I don’t think it would have been thousands more.Medicine has came along way since 1918. I don’t think the lockdown was needed but that’s me. Also being contagious doesn’t equal death.
 
NoSnowATL said:
Probably hard to calculate that number but I don’t think it would have been thousands more.Medicine has came along way since 1918. I don’t think the lockdown was needed but that’s me. Also being contagious doesn’t equal death.
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Plus people were dropping dead left and right in the 1918 pandemic. Young, healthy people.

Anyway, I have a question: If we stipulate that a vaccine is a ways away still, and even when it comes out, it may only be somewhat effective, if we stipulate that herd immunity may not happen, if we stipulate that no better treatment quickly becomes available, and if we stipulate the virus isn't just going to magically go away, what is the mechanism that gets us from where we are now to back to normal?

Is it reasonable to think that the human race can remain in quasi-lockdown for years over a virus with such a low death rate?

Obviously, if any of the above variables change favorably, that would make a difference. But there's no guarantee that they will.
 
Rain Cold said:
Plus people were dropping dead left and right in the 1918 pandemic. Young, healthy people.

Anyway, I have a question: If we stipulate that a vaccine is a ways away still, and even when it comes out, it may only be somewhat effective, if we stipulate that herd immunity may not happen, if we stipulate that no better treatment quickly becomes available, and if we stipulate the virus isn't just going to magically go away, what is the mechanism that gets us from where we are now to back to normal?

Is it reasonable to think that the human race can remain in quasi-lockdown for years over a virus with such a low death rate?

Obviously, if any of the above variables change favorably, that would make a difference. But there's no guarantee that they will.
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I agree, we can’t stay lockdown because this virus isn’t ever going to go away just like the flu virus doesn’t. I think it will be a additional shot every year people can choose to get or not. I think the lockdown was a over reaction and political.
 
NoSnowATL said:
I agree, we can’t stay lockdown because this virus isn’t ever going to go away just like the flu virus doesn’t. I think it will be a additional shot every year people can choose to get or not. I think the lockdown was a over reaction and political.
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At this point what is still "locked down"? Maybe gyms and movie theaters?
 
SD said:
At this point what is still "locked down"? Maybe gyms and movie theaters?
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Schools and it's creating a nightmare in the workplace, not to mention virtual learning is a disaster.. my wife sees it daily.

Edit: it would be nice to see fans at sporting events, have a state fair, parades, etc the list is actually long
 
SD said:
At this point what is still "locked down"? Maybe gyms and movie theaters?
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Locked down as in offices closed, restaurant can’t go 100%, sporting events. Etc... things that can help bring back the economy faster. Atlanta is still in phase 1. I forgot schools as well.
 
NoSnowATL said:
Locked down as in offices closed, restaurant can’t go 100%, sporting events. Etc... things that can help bring back the economy faster. Atlanta is still in phase 1. I forgot schools as well.
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But most offices and restaurants are still functioning right? I'm not trying to be argumentative, it's just I personally think saying we are locked down at this point is a bit much. I can go and do the things I choose to do with no restrictions. Maybe I'm boring.

As for sports I do agree that not having them is a big impact on local economy especially in the smaller markets. As for the owners/players hurting for money meh your greed caught up to you
 
SD said:
But most offices and restaurants are still functioning right? I'm not trying to be argumentative, it's just I personally think saying we are locked down at this point is a bit much. I can go and do the things I choose to do with no restrictions. Maybe I'm boring.

As for sports I do agree that not having them is a big impact on local economy especially in the smaller markets. As for the owners/players hurting for money meh your greed caught up to you
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They are but how productive is it? For me it doesn’t hurt but for others it’s hurting the business. Heck how many small businesses have closed the doors this year and to think maybe it wasn’t needed. Lockdown is probably not the right word to use but calling this virus a pandemic is a little much.
 
NoSnowATL said:
They are but how productive is it? For me it doesn’t hurt but for others it’s hurting the business. Heck how many small businesses have closed the doors this year and to think maybe it wasn’t needed. Lockdown is probably not the right word to use but calling this virus a pandemic is a little much.
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Idk as a whole all I can really speak on is the businesses of friends and family close to me and so far thankfully they are fine. Thing of it is we all know the risk in both directions, people that start a small business know there is an inherent risk just like people who choose to not wear a mask and those who believe things should stay locked down. I actually agree with you that we should open and let people choose to take the risk. But we likely disagree on anything after that regarding protocols in place if that happened and measures to prevent further spread
 
SD said:
Idk as a whole all I can really speak on is the businesses of friends and family close to me and so far thankfully they are fine. Thing of it is we all know the risk in both directions, people that start a small business know there is an inherent risk just like people who choose to not wear a mask and those who believe things should stay locked down. I actually agree with you that we should open and let people choose to take the risk. But we likely disagree on anything after that regarding protocols in place if that happened and measures to prevent further spread
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I call it a quasi-lockdown because technically you can go and do some things, but there are many more restrictions and inconveniences...not to mention the things described above that have changed or are no longer available.

I do not think the human race is capable of remaining in this state for a long period of time. And I think the social and economic damage that has occurred, is occurring, and will continue to occur will outweigh the physical effects of the virus over the longer term.
 
Rain Cold said:
I call it a quasi-lockdown because technically you can go and do some things, but there are many more restrictions and inconveniences...not to mention the things described above that have changed or are no longer available.

I do not think the human race is capable of remaining in this state for a long period of time. And I think the social and economic damage that has occurred, is occurring, and will continue to occur will outweigh the physical effects of the virus over the longer term.
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That’s quite possible, if not likely, but the physical effects of the virus likely would have been much worse had the “quasi-lockdown” as you call it not been implemented. We’ll never know how bad it could have been as this is a pretty horrible virus. And don’t forget the longlasting effects on some of those not killed. In other words, we have no way to compare the negatives socially and economically with how bad physically it would have been with no “quasi-lockdowns”.

I “selfishly” like the quasi-lockdown/safety measures as I am the caregiver of my high risk brother.
 
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GaWx said:
That’s quite possible, if not likely, but the physical effects of the virus likely would have been much worse had the “quasi-lockdown” as you call it not been implemented. We’ll never know how bad it could have been as this is a pretty horrible virus. And don’t forget the longlasting effects on some of those not killed. In other words, we have no way to compare the negatives socially and economically with how bad physically it would have been with no “quasi-lockdowns”.

I “selfishly” like the quasi-lockdown/safety measures as I am the caregiver of my high risk brother.
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I have high risk family members as well, and it's not an easy situation. And we really don't know how many people are going to have long lasting effects, which I think is weird that we're not seeing reliable stats for "recovered, but recovered with ongoing issues". You can see the social and economic consequences unfolding before us. One day, the virus will diminish and the number of deaths and recovered will be known. But the social and particularly economic impacts will linger for years.
 
Rain Cold said:
I have high risk family members as well, and it's not an easy situation. And we really don't know how many people are going to have long lasting effects, which I think is weird that we're not seeing reliable stats for "recovered, but recovered with ongoing issues". You can see the social and economic consequences unfolding before us. One day, the virus will diminish and the number of deaths and recovered will be known. But the social and particularly economic impacts will linger for years.
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Indeed, but we still won’t know the number of deaths and cases that cause longlasting damage that would have occurred had there been no “quasi-lockdowns”. We’ll never know and thus no easy answer.
 
Another person has been reinfected with COVID-19 in Ecuador. 8th reinfection case overall.
 
Snowfan said:
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Yeah, this trope is getting a lot of play on social media lately I’ve noticed, and it’s very disingenuous and deceptive. I’m more surprised that 6% of death certificates list COVID as the only cause of death, though I imagine this was probably a result of the doctors just not bothering to fill out another cause of death when they were overwhelmed.
 
Rosie said:
Thic county is almost 11% positive.
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The AJC had an article yesterday showing how the Metro counties have been dropping their positive rate but the rural counties are still high. Could be testing limitations/availability or it could be that the more populated counties just dealt with a higher outbreak earlier.
 
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