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Dewpoint Dan said:
Keep your mask on in between bites ? That's funny.
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I do that at work, it’s really not that difficult. Since it’s an airborne virus, if you can maximize the time you’re protected the better off you’ll be. The guidance is related to this:

“Adults With COVID-19 Twice As Likely To Have Eaten At Restaurants, CDC Study Finds”

Restaurants are spreader events...and going into winter it’s good advice. I don’t eat out because putting my mask on while chewing wouldn’t be enjoyable, and I’m well aware most restaurants have improper ventilation...on top of that I’m not a huge fan of people sitting there drinking before and after dinner pretending it’s a bar when they should eat and leave. I get take out and eat without a mask at home!
 
Jon said:
You’re outside more in winter than summer? In the summer, people do outdoor activities and work in the yard etc. They go to parks. They’re more mobile, this is a known thing. This is why flu returns every winter. Also lower heat and humidity allows for better spread. That and the holidays allows for more spread as well.

The indoor argument is only one part of the equation, but for example imagine going to visit friends when it’s 80° out and they’re outside drinking a beer on the back deck...you’d go outside and join them, but likely won’t sit directly beside them because you’re outside, you can stand up and maybe walk around. Visit the same friends when the temp is 40°, having a beer inside on the couch, you all sit on the couch and you’re in a smaller area. This is why it spreads more...more frequent gatherings in close quarters.
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Of course im outside more in winter than summer. I would much rather be outside when its 60 than when its 95 !
 
Jon said:
You’re outside more in winter than summer? In the summer, people do outdoor activities and work in the yard etc. They go to parks. They’re more mobile, this is a known thing. This is why flu returns every winter. Also lower heat and humidity allows for better spread. That and the holidays allows for more spread as well.

The indoor argument is only one part of the equation, but for example imagine going to visit friends when it’s 80° out and they’re outside drinking a beer on the back deck...you’d go outside and join them, but likely won’t sit directly beside them because you’re outside, you can stand up and maybe walk around. Visit the same friends when the temp is 40°, having a beer inside on the couch, you all sit on the couch and you’re in a smaller area. This is why it spreads more...more frequent gatherings in close quarters.
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This is the southeast. When is it 80 in the summer in the afternoon? Also, it's not the heat that bothers me and other people , it's the swamp @$$ humidity that sends me indoors between June and August (and September on most years). And given the warm winters of late, it's not hard to imagine some people may spend more time outdoors in the winter than in the summer in the deep south.
 
Poimen said:
it's not only weather that drives people indoors in the winter versus the summer. There is less daylight and more social gatherings that are typically indoors: sporting events; holidays; holiday parties; etc, etc.
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Maybe Thanksgiving and Christmas should be moved to the summer to help reduce the number of people who get sick.
 
A few weeks ago I really was doubting that there would be an increase in cases this fall. Now I think it's increasingly likely that the fall and winter months of 2020 will probably be the worst yet. Luckily it won't be as hectic as March of 2020 because suppliers and hospitals have had more time to prepare. Stay safe everyone!
 
Interesting observation, Spain looks to have already peaked in their “second” wave. Time line looks very similar to the wave in the US that hit the sunbelt states.
 
www.yahoo.com

Megachurch Pastor Contracts COVID-19 After Suing to Force School Reopenings

At San Antonio’s Cornerstone Church on Sunday morning, hundreds of maskless congregants sang and prayed, swaying together in the pews, babies and grandparents in close proximity.It might have been easy to forget there was a deadly pandemic blazing through the country.That is, until about 25...
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smast16 said:
This is the southeast. When is it 80 in the summer in the afternoon? Also, it's not the heat that bothers me and other people , it's the swamp @$$ humidity that sends me indoors between June and August (and September on most years). And given the warm winters of late, it's not hard to imagine some people may spend more time outdoors in the winter than in the summer in the deep south.
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Lol ok you’re reaching and I’m not gong to do this. People spend more time indoors during winter, this is a fact not opinion. I’m not talking about YOU or the other forum poster who replied to me, I’m talking about the population as a WHOLE. And guess what? They all don’t live in the Deep South. If we all lived in Miami, Florida this wouldn’t be a discussion. Obviously that’s not the point I’m trying to make.
 
Jon said:
Lol ok you’re reaching and I’m not gong to do this. People spend more time indoors during winter, this is a fact not opinion. I’m not talking about YOU or the other forum poster who replied to me, I’m talking about the population as a WHOLE. And guess what? They all don’t live in the Deep South. If we all lived in Miami, Florida this wouldn’t be a discussion. Obviously that’s not the point I’m trying to make.
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I never said Pop as a whole Jon, you inferred that. I said not everyone has nice back yards that are shady and 80 degrees in the summer, and therefore don't spend summer afternoons on their back decks drinking beer. You led your response to Dan with this question:

Jon said:
You’re outside more in winter than summer?
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I was just informing you that some people are different than you Jon, and that it is ok.

smast16 said:
This is the southeast. When is it 80 in the summer in the afternoon? Also, it's not the heat that bothers me and other people , it's the swamp @$$ humidity that sends me indoors between June and August (and September on most years). And given the warm winters of late, it's not hard to imagine some people may spend more time outdoors in the winter than in the summer in the deep south.
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Pro Tip: When you say "I'm not going to do this... " don't actually then write a paragraph about it.
 
Shaggy said:
Wow. I'll take a 50yr experienced epidemiologist take on the virus response over internet experts.

www.yahoo.com

‘It is slaughter’: Former CDC director who eradicated smallpox urges current head to expose Trump’s missteps with coronavirus

‘Don’t shy away from the fact this has been an unacceptable toll on our country,’ Dr William Foege writes
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I’m much more interested in how a private letter sent from one person to the other ends up in the hands of a national liberal newspaper despite the sender saying he never meant for it to get public in a follow up interview with the newspaper who got the letter.

I’d be willing to listen to his perspective, but the loud beeping of the bull crap meter makes it hard to hear.
 
Data out of Spain is very encouraging speaking of a second wave(if that is what it is and not just the spread of the virus hitting the regions spared by the lockdown. )
 

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SD said:
I'd like to see these numbers compared versus confirmed cases rather than versus total population.
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I would too because I feel confident that the highest number of confirmed cases is within the age groups that also have lowest percentage of deaths. Protect the at risk and elderly while opening back up. Schools should be open....jmho
 
weatherfide said:
It looks like Covid is a big fat lie. Can we lock this thread and throw away the key, now? I will never wear a mask for this or obey any health orders about Covid-19 again. I have no faith or trust in ANY public health expert or politician. All of them are idiots.
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It is not a lie, I just tend to believe China once again sold the world a bunch of crap and just like how we buy their junk products, we bought their response to COVID.

In a few years there will be articles on it, our government will hold committee meetings on it both criticizing China and the other party, the United Nations will threaten to spank China with a wooden spoon and it will pass and nothing will change.
 
Arcc said:
Interesting.

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Also interesting.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Herd immunity could have saved more lives than lockdown, study suggests

Researchers from Edinburgh University reassessed Imperial modelling that showed half a million people would die
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expert reaction to Barrington Declaration, an open letter arguing against lockdown policies and for ‘Focused Protection’ | Science Media Centre

www.sciencemediacentre.org

“An effective response to the Covid pandemic requires multiple targeted interventions to reduce transmission, to develop better treatments and to protect vulnerable people. This declaration prioritises just one aspect of a sensible strategy – protecting the vulnerable – and suggests we can safely build up ‘herd immunity’ in the rest of the population. This is wishful thinking. It is not possible to fully identify vulnerable individuals, and it is not possible to fully isolate them. Furthermore, we know that immunity to coronaviruses wanes over time, and re-infection is possible – so lasting protection of vulnerable individuals by establishing ‘herd immunity’ is very unlikely to be achieved in the absence of a vaccine. Individual scientists may reasonably disagree about the relative merits of various interventions, but they must be honest about the feasibility of what they propose. This declaration is therefore not a helpful contribution to the debate.”
 
Nerman said:

expert reaction to Barrington Declaration, an open letter arguing against lockdown policies and for ‘Focused Protection’ | Science Media Centre

www.sciencemediacentre.org

“An effective response to the Covid pandemic requires multiple targeted interventions to reduce transmission, to develop better treatments and to protect vulnerable people. This declaration prioritises just one aspect of a sensible strategy – protecting the vulnerable – and suggests we can safely build up ‘herd immunity’ in the rest of the population. This is wishful thinking. It is not possible to fully identify vulnerable individuals, and it is not possible to fully isolate them. Furthermore, we know that immunity to coronaviruses wanes over time, and re-infection is possible – so lasting protection of vulnerable individuals by establishing ‘herd immunity’ is very unlikely to be achieved in the absence of a vaccine. Individual scientists may reasonably disagree about the relative merits of various interventions, but they must be honest about the feasibility of what they propose. This declaration is therefore not a helpful contribution to the debate.”
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They have some good counter points except for this guy.

Dr Michael Head, Senior Research Fellow in Global Health, University of Southampton, said:
“The Barrington Declaration is based upon a false premise – that governments and the scientific community wish for extensive lockdowns to continue until a vaccine is available. Lockdowns are only ever used when transmission is high, and now that we have some knowledge about how best to handle new outbreaks, most national and subnational interventions are much ‘lighter’ than the full suppressions we have seen for example in the UK across the spring of 2020.
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I guess he needs to go talk to New York or Australia.
 
Nerman said:
Or New Zealand. They do not mess around. But they have gotten rid of it twice now in their "go hard, go early" responses.
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That they did. Whether it is worth all the trouble it’s caused and whether their strategy is feasible in a larger country with land borders is more debatable, though. Some of the measures New Zealand and Australia have taken to combat the virus are downright draconian and scary, IMO. Some very bad government control precedents set for the future there.
 
superjames1992 said:
I’m wondering what’s the deal with the case spike in NC this past week. We are regularly reporting 2k+ cases per day now after being in the mid 1ks recently.
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We are definitely headed in the wrong direction. I wonder how long we will stay in phase 3.

In other news, my mother-in-law (she lives in Oklahoma) was diagnosed with COVID yesterday. Her blood work indicated a possible blood clot. She is home for now though.
 
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