Coronavirus (Stay on Topic)

[Shaggy]

I see you’re back to sensationalizing again. The deaths are heavily weighted toward the elderly with comorbidities and hospitals are lying about the true cause of death in many cases. We can’t trust the WHO or CDC cause they are liars, too. This virus does not pose a threat to mankind worthy of shutting down the economy and restricting freedoms. It’s time to move on.

This lying about deaths has been debunked so many times. My county has had 635 cases and 6 deaths. Now 2 of those died early on but werent confirmed until just a couple weeks ago.

Hospitals are not counting mass numbers of deaths falsely as covid.

 

[weatherfide]

no. I’m not responsible for someone catching a cold. If I have symptoms, I’ll do my part to keep it from others. Look, the goal is not to try to keep it from spreading, that is impossible.the goal was to not overwhelm the hospitals. We achieved that goal. Now it’s time for herd immunity. Wearing masks will only prolong the inevitable. You WILL catch the Wuhan virus eventually. The sooner the young people get it and develop immunity, the better for all of us.

 

[weatherfide]

This lying about deaths has been debunked so many times. My county has had 635 cases and 6 deaths. Now 2 of those died early on but werent confirmed until just a couple weeks ago.

Hospitals are not counting mass numbers of deaths falsely as covid.

They are in New York City.

 

[weatherfide]

What you do not understand is that you do not need symptoms of the virus to spread it to others. THAT'S why you need the masks. It'a all about protecting others.

So it’s ok to assume everyone is guilty of being sick until proven otherwise? Do you not see the problem with this?

 

[JHS]

So it’s ok to assume everyone is guilty of being sick until proven otherwise? Do you not see the problem with this?

Why take a chance. Be safe.

 

[Jon]

no. I’m not responsible for someone catching a cold. If I have symptoms, I’ll do my part to keep it from others. Look, the goal is not to try to keep it from spreading, that is impossible.the goal was to not overwhelm the hospitals. We achieved that goal. Now it’s time for herd immunity. Wearing masks will only prolong the inevitable. You WILL catch the Wuhan virus eventually. The sooner the young people get it and develop immunity, the better for all of us.

Let me challenge your thoughts on this...

The prolonging the inevitable argument against mask wearing has some flaws but in the setting of herd immunity I understand your point but still disagree.

We could do better and have a nationwide effort to slow spread by wearing masks. As demonstrated in other countries, it works. Now I know you know this, but wearing masks would keep the peaks as low is possible. You say we met our goal, but hospitals are more crowded now than ever before so we are certainly trending away from out goal.

Your point is not missed and makes some general sense, but let’s assume we get a vaccine in January. Making an effort to decrease cases now will allow people to get vaccinated without a risk of death. Using a live virus and allowing it to spread to increase immunity in our population will cause mass death.

It’s also not known the active immunity the virus gives us after becoming infected. Many don’t have neutralizing antibodies, and it’s tho for any immunity from infection will only last 3-6mo.

Flu vaccines have demonstrated clinical immunity for a full 8-12mo, even at a 50% efficacy (the flu has had a longer time to mutate so that’s best case). Covid vaccines could have better efficacy because this virus just jumped species, so it hasn’t mutated like flu has.

Right now we have this unique opportunity to come together as a nation and save our family members lives. I highly highly doubt you’d try and champion an effort for natural herd immunity if your family member died from Coronavirus. There’s another way, we don’t live in 1918 — we have over 100 years of science and vaccine development on our side now.

My prediction is multiple vaccines will show efficacy and be produced. I think the Coronavirus vaccine itself won’t be hard to make in
and we will be ready for winter 21-22.

If we stop wearing masks now, this winter will be one of the deadliest winters if not the deadliest in our lifetime. Metropolitan areas in the south and west could end up like Italy and NYC because the cities have had time to develop their background infections over the summer just in time for fall when everyone goes back inside. We need to start our efforts now, not lift them.

 

[Jon]

Some on here will just never learn will they. Maybe we need to start locking folks up who disobey the mask orders. 10 days in jail might teach them something.

They won’t get it until someone in their family has a bad case or dies. Incapable of thinking about the real consequences until it happens to them. Imagine thinking a mask to protect your own family infringes on your rights. I can’t imagine being that self centered that my family members life is worth losing over my incompetence. Maybe these people have no one they care about, and in that sense, I probably understand.

 

[weatherfide]

Let me challenge your thoughts on this...

The prolonging the inevitable argument against mask wearing has some flaws but in the setting of herd immunity I understand your point but still disagree.

We could do better and have a nationwide effort to slow spread by wearing masks. As demonstrated in other countries, it works. Now I know you know this, but wearing masks would keep the peaks as low is possible. You say we met our goal, but hospitals are more crowded now than ever before so we are certainly trending away from out goal.

Your point is not missed and makes some general sense, but let’s assume we get a vaccine in January. Making an effort to decrease cases now will allow people to get vaccinated without a risk of death. Using a live virus and allowing it to spread to increase immunity in our population will cause mass death.

It’s also not known the active immunity the virus gives us after becoming infected. Many don’t have neutralizing antibodies, and it’s tho for any immunity from infection will only last 3-6mo.

Flu vaccines have demonstrated clinical immunity for a full 8-12mo, even at a 50% efficacy (the flu has had a longer time to mutate so that’s best case). Covid vaccines could have better efficacy because this virus just jumped species, so it hasn’t mutated like flu has.

Right now we have this unique opportunity to come together as a nation and save our family members lives. I highly highly doubt you’d try and champion an effort for natural herd immunity if your family member died from Coronavirus. There’s another way, we don’t live in 1918 — we have over 100 years of science and vaccine development on our side now.

My prediction is multiple vaccines will show efficacy and be produced. I think the Coronavirus vaccine itself won’t be hard to make in
and we will be ready for winter 21-22.

If we stop wearing masks now, this winter will be one of the deadliest winters if not the deadliest in our lifetime. Metropolitan areas in the south and west could end up like Italy and NYC because the cities have had time to develop their background infections over the summer just in time for fall when everyone goes back inside. We need to start our efforts now, not lift them.

I don’t know about you, but we spend most of our time inside cause it’s hot and humid outside. Also, will the vulnerable people be ok with a vaccine? If it’s only a 50/50 shot at protection? Sounds like everyone will have to wear masks indefinitely to ensure no vulnerable person gets sick. Also there is a huge cohort that never wears masks-children. Masks also invite people to touch their faces, which spreads the virus much more effectively. I don’t think masks are a good solution.

 

[Heelyes]

We have 297 cases out of a population a little over 73k in Jackson County. That’s just over .4%

Chatham is a little smaller and has near 1000 with almost 50 dead.

They are in New York City.

My buddy lost 38 co-workers to covid in New York, not sure of their age but they were still working

 

[weatherfide]

They won’t get it until someone in their family has a bad case or dies. Incapable of thinking about the real consequences until it happens to them. Imagine thinking a mask to protect your own family infringes on your rights. I can’t imagine being that self centered that my family members life is worth losing over my incompetence. Maybe these people have no one they care about, and in that sense, I probably understand.

Wearing or not wearing a mask does not mean a family member will or will not get the virus. Like I said, all will be exposed at some point. I will be the one determining what I wear, and if I decide to wear a mask at the request of another, it will be my choice, not one made by lying politicians pandering for votes.

 

[ontherocks]

The death numbers just aren’t that spooky. The virus has killed .0004% of the United States’ population. Spanish Flu killed .0065% of the US population in 1918. That’s over 16x as deadly. This is not the end of the world. We survived that one and we’ll make it through this one. View attachment 43425

Ah, but see you are able to look at the 1918 outbreak from afar and see that right now it’s numbers were worse because it’s over and done with it.
This isn’t over, and that’s the point. Keep this up, and the “but it’s not as deadly as....” argument will hold less and less water each time. Just like when people initially compared this to the flu and were citing 12 month flu death statistics against a (at the time) 2 month problem of
COVID. It was quickly realized that was a poor comparison cause COVID was more deadly. I believe the same will happen here with several of these other outbreaks and epidemics people keep comparing. Wait till this whole thing is over and see how many die before we compare, but I can tell you that the trajectory math is not in favor of your conclusion.

 

[Shaggy]

Wearing or not wearing a mask does not mean a family member will or will not get the virus. Like I said, all will be exposed at some point. I will be the one determining what I wear, and if I decide to wear a mask at the request of another, it will be my choice, not one made by lying politicians pandering for votes.

We have historical records to go on here. You whine and cry about freedoms and the govt taking things away. We see photos of complete mask compliance in 1918. People at a baseball game with everyone wearing masks.

Now tell me what long standing rights were taken away by that and what didnt those people get back after the mask orders were lifted?

 

[NCSNOW]

I don't really care that the bars closed here but the beaches better not I've been sitting through this crap for months waiting for this next month

Im rolling down to paradise today, Holden Beach. Toes in the sand and a fishing pole in my hand. 1 little store on whole island. No worries as we cook all week.

 

[LithiaWx]

Im rolling down to paradise today, Holden Beach. Toes in the sand and a fishing pole in my hand. 1 little store on whole island. No worries as we cook all week.

We don’t agree win on much but good work sir

 

[Jon]

I don’t know about you, but we spend most of our time inside cause it’s hot and humid outside. Also, will the vulnerable people be ok with a vaccine? If it’s only a 50/50 shot at protection? Sounds like everyone will have to wear masks indefinitely to ensure no vulnerable person gets sick. Also there is a huge cohort that never wears masks-children. Masks also invite people to touch their faces, which spreads the virus much more effectively. I don’t think masks are a good solution.

Yes we spend time inside during the summer, but it is widely known viruses become seasonal due to more people indoors during winter.

Mask wearing can ease once cases drop after a vaccine. We had an opportunity to slow the virus much like other counties have done. We don’t have that opportunity anymore, and people who don’t wear masks like yourself are the reason we are in this predicament.

The touch your faces argument is absurd. Wash your hands. People have itches on their nose and face daily and touch their face without a mask constantly. Wearing a mask makes you hesitate to bite your nails or pick your nose, because there’s a freaking mask there when you reach up to do so!

 

[Bama1980]

I’m assuming most people are like me. I just wanted to know if I had the damn virus so I could do my best not to spread it. I was told the ER had the ability to do a 1 hour rapid test but after checking into my room I was informed that I could not receive the rapid test. We needed quicker testing. Months ago..I honestly believe this has been the biggest hinderance in trying to slow this thing down. Some people are having to wait 5 days to get results back. News flash, most people are not staying home for 5 straight days.

My cousin and his wife are positive. She went and got tested Thursday then went to the grocery store! And she was sick???

 

[Jon]

Wearing or not wearing a mask does not mean a family member will or will not get the virus. Like I said, all will be exposed at some point. I will be the one determining what I wear, and if I decide to wear a mask at the request of another, it will be my choice, not one made by lying politicians pandering for votes.

"Wearing or not wearing a mask does not mean a family member will or will not get the virus”
• Well, not absolutely. You see, masks protect your family member from a sick person transmitting the virus to your family member. If everyone thought the same way you do, that person would easily transfer Covid to your family member because they weren’t wearing a mask. Thinking of it from the standpoint of wearing a mask to prevent catching it isn’t really the correct thought here, but at least with both parties wearing a mask it cuts down on it even more.

“Like I said, all will be exposed at some point.”
• likely not true if people were to wear masks. I’ve never been tested positive for flu, and in 1918 100% of the population didn’t get Coronavirus. We can prevent mass infection, it’s only inevitable because of the steps we are not taking.

“I will be the one determining what I wear, and if I decide to wear a mask at the request of another, it will be my choice, not one made by lying politicians pandering for votes”
• Sorry if this point is lost on me, as a healthcare provider I have no choice. I wear a mask for 9 hours a day and have to chew my food behind one and social distance to pull it down to drink a sip of water. So seeing people make proclamations of their rights and preventing to wear a mask to a very short trip to a store or social area is 110% lost on me and is just selfish. My patients have died. I’ve lost friends to this and I have gotten it myself and recovered. So, just be thankful you’re living in your own world with your right to not wear a mask.

 

[weatherfide]

We have historical records to go on here. You whine and cry about freedoms and the govt taking things away. We see photos of complete mask compliance in 1918. People at a baseball game with everyone wearing masks.

Now tell me what long standing rights were taken away by that and what didnt those people get back after the mask orders were lifted?

Are you sure the were ordered to wear masks or were they voluntarily wearing them to prevent themselves from contracting the virus?

 

[BHS1975]

You don’t want to get this virus. It’s like nothing else seen before.

Scientists just beginning to understand the many health problems caused by COVID-19

Scientists are only starting to grasp the vast array of health problems caused by the novel coronavirus, some of which may have lingering effects on patients and health systems for years to come, according to doctors and infectious disease experts.

www.reuters.com

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[weatherfide]

"Wearing or not wearing a mask does not mean a family member will or will not get the virus”
• Well, not absolutely. You see, masks protect your family member from a sick person transmitting the virus to your family member. If everyone thought the same way you do, that person would easily transfer Covid to your family member because they weren’t wearing a mask. Thinking of it from the standpoint of wearing a mask to prevent catching it isn’t really the correct thought here, but at least with both parties wearing a mask it cuts down on it even more.

“Like I said, all will be exposed at some point.”
• likely not true if people were to wear masks. I’ve never been tested positive for flu, and in 1918 100% of the population didn’t get Coronavirus. We can prevent mass infection, it’s only inevitable because of the steps we are not taking.

“I will be the one determining what I wear, and if I decide to wear a mask at the request of another, it will be my choice, not one made by lying politicians pandering for votes”
• Sorry if this point is lost on me, as a healthcare provider I have no choice. I wear a mask for 9 hours a day and have to chew my food behind one and social distance to pull it down to drink a sip of water. So seeing people make proclamations of their rights and preventing to wear a mask to a very short trip to a store or social area is 110% lost on me and is just selfish. My patients have died. I’ve lost friends to this and I have gotten it myself and recovered. So, just be thankful you’re living in your own world with your right to not wear a mask.

My point is that to wear or not to wear should not be mandated in public. If you choose to work in a profession that requires, them it’s your choice. You don’t have to work in that profession. I said exposed not infected also. Not everyone will get infected before we reach herd immunity. Also, The health care leaders in our country lied about the use of masks at the very beginning so I don’t believe them anymore. I don’t think there is significant risk of spreading corona from a symptomatic people through droplets.

 

[Tagat]

"Wearing or not wearing a mask does not mean a family member will or will not get the virus”
• Well, not absolutely. You see, masks protect your family member from a sick person transmitting the virus to your family member. If everyone thought the same way you do, that person would easily transfer Covid to your family member because they weren’t wearing a mask. Thinking of it from the standpoint of wearing a mask to prevent catching it isn’t really the correct thought here, but at least with both parties wearing a mask it cuts down on it even more.

“Like I said, all will be exposed at some point.”
• likely not true if people were to wear masks. I’ve never been tested positive for flu, and in 1918 100% of the population didn’t get Coronavirus. We can prevent mass infection, it’s only inevitable because of the steps we are not taking.

“I will be the one determining what I wear, and if I decide to wear a mask at the request of another, it will be my choice, not one made by lying politicians pandering for votes”
• Sorry if this point is lost on me, as a healthcare provider I have no choice. I wear a mask for 9 hours a day and have to chew my food behind one and social distance to pull it down to drink a sip of water. So seeing people make proclamations of their rights and preventing to wear a mask to a very short trip to a store or social area is 110% lost on me and is just selfish. My patients have died. I’ve lost friends to this and I have gotten it myself and recovered. So, just be thankful you’re living in your own world with your right to not wear a mask.

With your "Healthcare Provider" knowledge, does this seem legit or disinformation. (not my quote)

So Masks?
I am OSHA 10&30 certified. I know some of you are too. I don’t really know WHY OSHA hasn’t come forward and stopped the nonsense BUT I want to cover 3 things
• N95 masks and masks with exhale ports
• surgical masks
• filter or cloth masks
Okay, so upon further inspection, OSHA says some masks are okay and not okay in certain situations.
If you’re working with fumes and aerosol chemicals and you give your employees the wrong masks and they get sick, you can be sued.
• N95 masks: are designed for CONTAMINATED environments. That means when you exhale through N95 the design is that you are exhaling into contamination. The exhale from N95 masks are vented to breath straight out without filtration. They don’t filter the air on the way out. They don’t need to.
Conclusion: if you’re in Target and the guy with Covid has a N95 mask, his covid breath is unfiltered being exhaled into Target (because it was designed for already contaminated environments, it’s not filtering your air on the way out).
• Surgical Mask: these masks were designed and approved for STERILE environments. The amount of particles and contaminants in the outside and indoor environments where people are CLOGGING these masks very, VERY quickly. The moisture from your breath combined with the clogged mask will render it “useless” IF you come in contact with Covid and your mask traps it, YOU become a walking virus dispenser. Everytime you put your mask on you are breathing the germs from EVERYWHERE you went. They should be changed or thrown out every “20-30 minutes in a non sterile environment.”
• Cloth masks: I can’t even believe I’m having to explain this, but here it goes. Today, three people pointed to their masks as they walked by me entering Lowe’s. They said “ya gotta wear your mask BRO” I said very clearly “those masks don’t work bro, in fact they MAKE you sicker” they “pshh’d” me. By now hopefully you all know CLOTH masks do not filter anything. You mean the American flag one my aunt made? Yes. The one with sunflowers that looks so cute? Yes. The bandanna, the cut up t-shirt, the scarf ALL of them offer NO FILTERING whatsoever. As you exhale, you are ridding your lungs of contaminants and carbon dioxide. Cloth masks trap this carbon dioxide the best. It actually risks your health, rather than protect it. The moisture caught in these masks can become mildew ridden over night. Dry coughing, enhanced allergies, sore throat are all symptoms of a micro-mold in your mask.
-Ultimate Answer:
*N95 blows the virus into the air from a contaminated person.
*The surgical mask is not designed for the outside world and will not filter the virus upon inhaling through it. It’s filtration works on the exhale, (Like a vacuum bag, it only works one way) but likely stops after 20 minutes, rendering it useless outside of a STERILE ENVIRONMENT (correct Becky, they don’t work in a bar, not even a little bit).
*Cloth masks are WORSE than none. It’s equivalent to using a chain link fence to stop mosquitos.
The CDC wants us to keep wearing masks. The masks don’t work. They’re being used to provide false comfort and push forward a specific agenda. For the love of God, research each mask’s designed use and purpose, I bet you will find NONE are used in the way of “viral defense.”
Just like EVERY Flu season kids, wash your hands. Sanitize your hands. Don’t touch stuff. Sanitize your phone. Don’t touch people. And keep your distance. Why? Because your breath stinks, your deodorant is failing, your shoes are old and stink, that shirts not clean, & I like my space. Trust me I can hear you from here. Lots of reasons to keep your distance and work on body hygiene. But trust me, the masks do not work.
*Occupational Safety & Hazard Association sited.
The top American organization for safety.
They regulate and educate asbestos workers, surgical rooms, you name it.
I know, facts suck. They throw a wrench into the perfectly (seeming) packaged pill you are willingly swallowing. Facts make you have to form your OWN OPINION, instead of regurgitating someone else’s, and I know how uncomfortable that makes a lot of you. If your mask gives you security, by all means wear it. Just know it is a false sense of security and you shouldn’t shame anyone into partaking in such “conspiracies.”
If select politicians stopped enforcing it, no one would continue this nonsense. Don’t drink the kool-aid

 

[EmersonGA]

We have historical records to go on here. You whine and cry about freedoms and the govt taking things away. We see photos of complete mask compliance in 1918. People at a baseball game with everyone wearing masks.

Now tell me what long standing rights were taken away by that and what didnt those people get back after the mask orders were lifted?

I’d wear a mask everywhere if it means baseball and football can go on!

 

[weatherfide]

Yes we spend time inside during the summer, but it is widely known viruses become seasonal due to more people indoors during winter.

Mask wearing can ease once cases drop after a vaccine. We had an opportunity to slow the virus much like other counties have done. We don’t have that opportunity anymore, and people who don’t wear masks like yourself are the reason we are in this predicament.

The touch your faces argument is absurd. Wash your hands. People have itches on their nose and face daily and touch their face without a mask constantly. Wearing a mask makes you hesitate to bite your nails or pick your nose, because there’s a freaking mask there when you reach up to do so!

I am not the reason for this predicament. I don’t have a corona virus infection. You’re are dead wrong there. Vilifying others who don’t think like you is what is causing problems.

 

[Jimmy Hypocracy]

Negative ?

 

[Deleted member 609]

I really don't get people who are so anti mask. Do the communists win if we are mandated to wear a mask? Is that it?

 

[Arcc]

With your "Healthcare Provider" knowledge, does this seem legit or disinformation. (not my quote)

That is what I cant understand about the masks. I remember reading articles in 2009 during the Swine Flu and they stated basic masks do absolutely no good once the are wet from breath so it only works for a very short time period and that makes sense.

The back and forth on masks make my head hurt.

 

[Jon]

With your "Healthcare Provider" knowledge, does this seem legit or disinformation. (not my quote)

Yes I’m a HCP. But yes, that is a huge load of ---- quote. Virus particles do not float out of your mouth or lungs in their purest form as a singular particle. Viruses are trapped in saliva in the form of water droplets and mucous, especially if you’re coughing. The filtration of n95 when worn properly would halt the transmission of these viruses. The other masks listed might have a point, but I’d also missing one important favor. When talking in close range, spit can expel form the mouth. Have you ever accidentally been talking and a spit droplet flies out? Happens daily to many. Wearing a face covering prevents that from occurring, whether it’s cloth or surgical.

It’s important to note that none of this is perfect and in order to stop transmission completely we’d all have to be in hazmat suits. There’s always a “better option” but at some point it gets ridiculous. The best option is anyone in America never leaving their homes for a few weeks at all, that’s not possible. Best thing to do is to do your best, don’t be an ass, trust science as this is a novel coronavirus. Even the experts are learning as we go here.

 

[Snowfan]

Arizona reports 3,509 new cases and 44 new deaths.

 

[CamWX]

I'd just like to add that I hope counties can look at my county for how to limit the spread of covid. Per the GA DPH covid-19 report, we have 756 confirmed cases and 15 deaths TOTAL, out of a population of about 250,000. That's a .3% infection rate. Lowest by far of any metro Atlanta county by far, half of neighboring counties Gwinnett and Fulton and 1/5 of Hall, although they have tons of chicken plants to blame for that.

I wonder if it's due to the higher income, low minority population, lack of any touristy spots, or only 1 chicken plant. Or a combination of all of that. Our Board of Commissioners has actually done a pretty good job at originally implementing social distancing rules back in March, but by now everything is open; our parks are about to fully open. I've worked from home fulltime since March, and if I have to go into the office, which I've done twice since, we have to wear a mask and get temperature checked.

Should also add almost no one wears a mask here.

 

[Jon]

I am not the reason for this predicament. I don’t have a corona virus infection. You’re are dead wrong there. Vilifying others who don’t think like you is what is causing problems.

Ok whatever makes you feel better. Doubt science and spew conspiracy theories. It must be so hard to live a life doubting experts and the smartest minds in the world. Good luck.

 

[Heelyes]

It seems like a lot of people in this country think if they ignore covid-19 it will just go away. I wonder where they got this idea from

 

[Snowfan]

Florida reports 9,585 new cases and 24 new deaths.

 

[NoSnowATL]

Florida reports 9,585 new cases and 24 new deaths.

Boo

 

[NoSnowATL]

It seems like a lot of people in this country think if they ignore covid-19 it will just go away. I wonder where they got this idea from

I don’t know but 120 million deaths is a lot.

 

[Heelyes]

I don’t know but 120 million deaths is a lot.

I'm sure they all had pre-existing conditions

 

[ghost1]

I am not the reason for this predicament. I don’t have a corona virus infection. You’re are dead wrong there. Vilifying others who don’t think like you is what is causing problems.

Also the earth is flat and the moon landing was filmed in a back lot Hollywood studio... right?

 

[Snowfan]

 

[Snowfan]

 

[Arcc]

I'm am curious about the whole mask thing. The CDC recommends making a cloth mask to prevent the spread.

First problem, I would bet 99% of homemade masks are cotton which hold moisture.

Second problem, the more moist the cloth, the harder to both breathe through it and expel CO2. Either it will go around or blow the moisture back into the air.

Third, problem assuming the above are true and it prevented the spread of Covid19 for 15 minutes. Is the "I'm not spreading" safety factor giving many a false sense of security and staying in stores longer and getting closer to others.

 

[Cad Wedge NC]

We’ve also discussed on this thread numerous times why we want to delay the virus from spreading. What do you suppose is gonna happen to the death rate when the hospitals are full and run out of oxygen?
But yes let’s listen to some random shmuck on an obscure Internet forum and use absolutely no common sense and keep everything open normally because we gotta save the economy before we worry about people’s lives!

You do understand that the saving economy will save lives too. Which lives are more important to you?