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Bham 99 said:
None of us know exactly but I do know that China could have waited a month or two months max to report the first case. I still stand by the belief that I possibly had this in January. I will get an antibodies test.
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First case I believe was December 10th and they didnt report the first case until dec 31st if I read the article correctly
 
Yep I also tested NEG last year with dry cough, fever,. Told I was dehydrated and asked if I traveled to Guam or some desert? I recovered. But experienced one day of hell could barely walk.
 
When will we know if Easter causes a huge spike here in the states? I know many families will be gathering.
 
They've been tracking the genomes and they say its highly doubtful this was on the west coast in December based on tracking mutations.

www.yahoo.com

Most New York Coronavirus Cases Came From Europe, Genomes Show

New research indicates that the coronavirus began to circulate in the New York area by mid-February, weeks before the first confirmed case, and that travelers brought in the virus mainly from Europe, not Asia."The majority is clearly European," said Harm van Bakel, a geneticist at Icahn School
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This is interesting. Like always take with salt.

14% of those were tested positive for antibodies liked to SARS-CoV2, another 2% were tested positive for a current infection by PCR tests. This would mean 15% of the population have already acquired immunity.
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Arcc said:
This is interesting. Like always take with salt.



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Unfortunately, Germany still refuses to shut down its borders with Belgium and the Netherlands. That particular border area is about as bad as the one near Munich, where Milanese researchers have allegedly traced the origins of the Covid-19 outbreak in Italy.

It's just been a total cluster$$$$ in Europe. France, Spain and the UK have double the Covid-19 deaths as the U.S., and they aren't even capable of testing as many people as the U.S. Germany is the only country with the industrial infrastructure to produce enough tests for their population, and they have been run out of many medical supplies.
www.schengenvisainfo.com

Germany Decides to Keep Belgian and Dutch Borders Open Amid Coronavirus

Germany will not apply border checks with Belgium and Netherlands, despite the spread of the coronavirus pandemic, the Federal Government of Germany has announced. The German Minister-President Armin Laschet of the North Rhine-Westphalia state welcomed the decision of the Federal Government, ...
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Serious question: now that we have flattened the curve (in NC) and nowhere near maxing out the hospitals, is this really necessary?

 
Poimen said:
Serious question: now that we have flattened the curve (in NC) and nowhere near maxing out the hospitals, is this really necessary?

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Yes, because if we don't there's a possibility that the curve would start going up again. Until cases across the US start to decline, meaning that every state is reporting fewer and fewer cases, etc. We are not out of the woods. I am impressed with NC's response to this overall. But we can't let our guards down.
 
ryan1234 said:
Yes, because if we don't there's a possibility that the curve would start going up again. Until cases across the US start to decline, meaning that every state is reporting fewer and fewer cases, etc. We are not out of the woods. I am impressed with NC's response to this overall. But we can't let our guards down.
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I say we keep doing what we've been doing for another week then reevaluate.
 
Part of the problem is that while the US seems far better off than it did last week, it's beginning to make rounds in Japan and Singapore. Which tells me that there could be a 2nd round.
 
Bham 99 said:
I'm working with tv

I say we keep doing what we've been doing for another week then reevaluate.
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As much as I want to get back to my office tomorrow, and as much as I want to work for my clients tomorrow ... I'd much prefer they be well, alive and open for business a year from now, rather than be temporary acquaintances or past memories as a result of premature economic salvation ... and a week from now is not going to be safe ... nor is two ... let's see where three gets us all ...
 
pcbjr said:
As much as I want to get back to my office tomorrow, and as much as I want to work for my clients tomorrow ... I'd much prefer they be well, alive and open for business a year from now, rather than be temporary acquaintances or past memories as a result of premature economic salvation ... and a week from now is not going to be safe ... nor is two ... let's see where three gets us all ...
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Oh I know.. I was referring to the North Carolina governor ramping up the rules starting on Monday... I was just saying since the numbers are starting to decline but keep doing what we're doing.. then re-evaluate if there's more stringent measures are needed in a week.
 
ryan1234 said:
Part of the problem is that while the US seems far better off than it did last week, it's beginning to make rounds in Japan and Singapore. Which tells me that there could be a 2nd round.
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At some point we need to get back to work. 16 million people unemployed and not paying their rent to property owners for a couple of months is bad, but continuing to shutdown the domestic economy will cause societal breakdown at some point. China is already back to work. They provide temperature checks, PPE, and propaganda to their workers. Keep international and state travel closed, and close down the borders. Keep this thing contained. Absolutely no European or Chinese travel under any circumstance for the next year until a vaccine or cure is discovered, including diplomatic. They've lost that curtesy. Provide the infrastructure to make our own products and supplies domestically like China.

There will flare-ups the coronavirus in the country, but at some point we're going to need to accept that risk for general stability. We can trace and contain the flare-ups as long as the Republican and Democrat congressmen choose to get out of their homes and govern from Washington in case measures need to be taken to help quell another outbreak.
 
Tornadocane said:
At some point we need to get back to work. 16 million people unemployed and not paying their rent to property owners for a couple of months is bad, but continuing to shutdown the domestic economy will cause societal breakdown at some point. China is already back to work. They provide temperature checks, PPE, and propaganda to their workers. Keep international and state travel closed, and close down the borders. Keep this thing contained. Absolutely no European or Chinese travel under any circumstance for the next year until a vaccine or cure is discovered, including diplomatic. They've lost that curtesy. Provide the infrastructure to make our own products and supplies domestically like China.

There will flare-ups the coronavirus in the country, but at some point we're going to need to accept that risk for general stability. We can trace and contain the flare-ups as long as the Republican and Democrat congressmen choose to get out of their homes and govern from Washington in case measures need to be taken to help quell another outbreak.
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lol, other counties want to keep the US out. Shutting down our borders internationally doesn’t do any good. The virus is here and widespread.

Stop interstate travel? Why? You want to make the economy worse do what you suggest.

Your post is really really bad.
 
Tornadocane said:
At some point we need to get back to work. 16 million people unemployed and not paying their rent to property owners for a couple of months is bad, but continuing to shutdown the domestic economy will cause societal breakdown at some point. China is already back to work. They provide temperature checks, PPE, and propaganda to their workers. Keep international and state travel closed, and close down the borders. Keep this thing contained. Absolutely no European or Chinese travel under any circumstance for the next year until a vaccine or cure is discovered, including diplomatic. They've lost that curtesy. Provide the infrastructure to make our own products and supplies domestically like China.

There will flare-ups the coronavirus in the country, but at some point we're going to need to accept that risk for general stability. We can trace and contain the flare-ups as long as the Republican and Democrat congressmen choose to get out of their homes and govern from Washington in case measures need to be taken to help quell another outbreak.
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Yes, please tell me how we will build thousands of factories and get the raw materials from only our country to manufacture all of these goods without pulling from another country entirely. We'd pump 10 trillion into that and only get 5% out of what we can get worldwide and it would take at least 6 months to get there IF they push the construction to wartime-like speeds. Re-purposing old factories? A lot require repair or no longer exist. We have no other short term options but to keep international trade going to some degree.
 
Tornadocane said:
Unfortunately, Germany still refuses to shut down its borders with Belgium and the Netherlands. That particular border area is about as bad as the one near Munich, where Milanese researchers have allegedly traced the origins of the Covid-19 outbreak in Italy.

It's just been a total cluster$$$$ in Europe. France, Spain and the UK have double the Covid-19 deaths as the U.S., and they aren't even capable of testing as many people as the U.S. Germany is the only country with the industrial infrastructure to produce enough tests for their population, and they have been run out of many medical supplies.
www.schengenvisainfo.com

Germany Decides to Keep Belgian and Dutch Borders Open Amid Coronavirus

Germany will not apply border checks with Belgium and Netherlands, despite the spread of the coronavirus pandemic, the Federal Government of Germany has announced. The German Minister-President Armin Laschet of the North Rhine-Westphalia state welcomed the decision of the Federal Government, ...
www.schengenvisainfo.com www.schengenvisainfo.com
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Well, it's always been Germany's historical role to cause as many European deaths as possible...
 
Folks, life will NEVER return to the normal we once knew and took for granted. That's just facts. It has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with science and the fact that we as a world, have been ignoring reality for as we could. As much as I want life to go back to pre-2020, it's just not going to happen. However, we will learn to adjust and adapt. It's just the way it is. We can do it, but we have to work together and keep personal beliefs out.
 
ryan1234 said:
Folks, life will NEVER return to the normal we once knew and took for granted. That's just facts. It has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with science and the fact that we as a world, have been ignoring reality for as we could. As much as I want life to go back to pre-2020, it's just not going to happen. However, we will learn to adjust and adapt. It's just the way it is. We can do it, but we have to work together and keep personal beliefs out.
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What things will not go back to normal just curious to your thoughts?
 
ryan1234 said:
Folks, life will NEVER return to the normal we once knew and took for granted. That's just facts. It has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with science and the fact that we as a world, have been ignoring reality for as we could. As much as I want life to go back to pre-2020, it's just not going to happen. However, we will learn to adjust and adapt. It's just the way it is. We can do it, but we have to work together and keep personal beliefs out.
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I hope this is meant to be a bit hyperbolic. I'm on more of the pessimistic side of things than this board, but even I think that we will more or less be back to normal within 2 years at the absolute (and i mean ABSOLUTE) worst.

Either we find decent treatments or else herd immunity kicks in. About the only way that doesn't happen is if immunity after infection (or a vaccine) doesn't last long at all and everyone gets infected again and again and again. At that point, Darwin would unfortunately win out and you are right, this would last a while before those who are predisposed to recover easily are left.

I always look at HIV/AIDs and Ebola as examples of what we can treat with modern medicine. Both used to be non-negotiable death sentences, and now both can be effectively treated even if they are still very dangerous. This isn't HIV/AIDs or Ebola.
 
Bham 99 said:
What things will not go back to normal just curious to your thoughts?
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Well, a lot. I think, in general, people are going to more hesitant to go out in big crowds. Stadiums and sports venues will have a limit as to how many people can attend. Handshaking will become an elbow bump or just a simplified hello. I could go on, but the general idea is that life won't be the same. And that's okay. If anything, this pandemic has taught us that life is precious and we should never take anything for granted.
 
LithiaWx said:
lol, other counties want to keep the US out. Shutting down our borders internationally doesn’t do any good. The virus is here and widespread.

Stop interstate travel? Why? You want to make the economy worse do what you suggest.

Your post is really really bad.
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When/if we get the virus under control, it would probably be a good idea to limit international travel to some degree, at least with countries with active outbreaks.
 
ryan1234 said:
Folks, life will NEVER return to the normal we once knew and took for granted. That's just facts. It has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with science and the fact that we as a world, have been ignoring reality for as we could. As much as I want life to go back to pre-2020, it's just not going to happen. However, we will learn to adjust and adapt. It's just the way it is. We can do it, but we have to work together and keep personal beliefs out.
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It might affect YOUR LIFE. I am going full speed ahead when June rolls around
 
superjames1992 said:
When/if we get the virus under control, it would probably be a good idea to limit international travel to some degree, at least with countries with active outbreaks.
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meh, it’s a global world. We are so far and beyond worse than any other country who do we want to keep out? I think you will find we are the pariah here.
 
ryan1234 said:
Well, a lot. I think, in general, people are going to more hesitant to go out in big crowds. Stadiums and sports venues will have a limit as to how many people can attend. Handshaking will become an elbow bump or just a simplified hello. I could go on, but the general idea is that life won't be the same. And that's okay. If anything, this pandemic has taught us that life is precious and we should never take anything for granted.
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So basically you are predicting the NBA, NFL, MLB will cease to exist. College football as well.
 
LithiaWx said:
lol, other counties want to keep the US out. Shutting down our borders internationally doesn’t do any good. The virus is here and widespread.

Stop interstate travel? Why? You want to make the economy worse do what you suggest.

Your post is really really bad.
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He did not mean state travel in America. State travel abroad. Wait so you are saying open up international flights now? We’re you not wanting complete lockdown of the US for months? How many did you think would die from this virus?

Trump is almost guaranteed to lift some restrictions end of April. Keep borders closed as other countries are doing. Companies that were doing business overseas as in making products can start put plans in motion to bring jobs to America by bringing it back here to make. If they want to keep overseas production that’s their loss.
 
Matthew70 said:
He did not mean state travel in America. State travel abroad. Wait so you are saying open up international flights now? We’re you not wanting complete lockdown of the US for months? How many did you think would die from this virus?

Trump is almost guaranteed to lift some restrictions end of April. Keep borders closed as other countries are doing. Companies that were doing business overseas as in making products can start put plans in motion to bring jobs to America by bringing it back here to make. If they want to keep overseas production that’s their loss.
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yeah, I’m fine with opening up international travel now. I’m also ready to open up the country in about two weeks. It’s clear now hospitals aren’t going to be overrun.

I’ve never been for shutting down travel from China or Europe. We live in a global world it is what it is. Mitigation is our only way out of this. People are going to die. It is what it is.
 
LithiaWx said:
yeah, I’m fine with opening up international travel now. I’m also ready to open up the country in about two weeks. It’s clear now hospitals aren’t going to be overrun.

I’ve never been for shutting down travel from China or Europe. We live in a global world it is what it is. Mitigation is our only way out of this. People are going to die. It is what it is.
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Wow. Complete reversal of your opinion than a couple weeks ago. You might get called mentally insane like I did for thinking this way.
 
NC likely made a grave mistake on the 5pm Monday rule. He was pressured to do it before everyone went Easter shopping for food and etc but missed it. I expect the curve to go up because of Easter gatherings even if it’s just family&friends.
 
Dewpoint Dan said:
So basically you are predicting the NBA, NFL, MLB will cease to exist. College football as well.
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I will go to a stadium. Heck one can die just driving there. Get out and just practice hygiene. Help inject money into the economy. Let’s live and make best of each day we have to live.
 
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