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Misc Cold Season Complaining

GaWx said:
Yes, as wx enthusiasts most of us are naturally biased against NWS cuts. But the FY 2024 NWS budget is all of ~$5/American. Why does the budget of a life-saving org. with that low of a cost need to be cut at all?

-US pop in 2024: 340 million

-FY 2024 NWS budget: $1,706 million

$1,706/340 = only ~$5/American for 2024 FY for NWS
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Something about cuts something about cc something about privatizing…

Accuweather led a lobbying campaign aided by scum Rick Santorum to privatize the NWS back in the 2000s… maybe this time the dream comes true…

National Weather Service Duties Act of 2005 - Wikipedia

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1300m said:
I'm sworn to silence on the details, but if what I have been told is accurate, at least one WFO somewhere in the CONUS is going to have a very difficult time maintaining operations with the amount of staff lost between the layoffs and resignations that have occurred this year. I don't think people realize the physical, mental and at times emotional toll this job does to these people working these rotating shifts even fully staffed. When you start having to work extra shifts, the physical toll it takes on you becomes impossible to handle long-term. I sincerely believe if this is allowed to stand that the NWS is in trouble.
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This is probably going to come off as insensitive, and I really don't mean it that way, but this is true in just about every career. Millions and millions of people have very stressful jobs, often with over work, under-pay, shift changes, mental and emotional tolls, etc. This is a harsh reality in life and modern culture. Most people's jobs are harder than people (on the outside) have any clue about and feel underappreciated. Nobody likes to feel this reality or have the fear that they may lose their job. Ultimately it is up to us to adapt and reinvent as humans and individuals. This is a great example of why we should not give the government too much power over our well-being and vocational stability. It is not the government's job to make sure everyone has a job, and a steady one at that. If that is what people want, then we are in the wrong type of system in this county. Losing one's job or career is a true hardship for them and their family; no doubt. But this illustrates how having such a big government is not healthy in the first place. Anyone who is laid off by the government is just as capable of adapting and finding new work as anyone who has been laid off in a factory closure or small business that has gone under; and in many cases, better equipped. The government is too big and this has been in the works for decades. Now many of those people are "dependent" on the government for their jobs and well-being, and that is not a good place to be in, as history has shown us repeatedly.
 
Iceagewhereartthou said:
This is probably going to come off as insensitive, and I really don't mean it that way, but this is true in just about every career. Millions and millions of people have very stressful jobs, often with over work, under-pay, shift changes, mental and emotional tolls, etc. This is a harsh reality in life and modern culture. Most people's jobs are harder than people (on the outside) have any clue about and feel underappreciated. Nobody likes to feel this reality or have the fear that they may lose their job. Ultimately it is up to us to adapt and reinvent as humans and individuals. This is a great example of why we should not give the government too much power over our well-being and vocational stability. It is not the government's job to make sure everyone has a job, and a steady one at that. If that is what people want, then we are in the wrong type of system in this county. Losing one's job or career is a true hardship for them and their family; no doubt. But this illustrates how having such a big government is not healthy in the first place. Anyone who is laid off by the government is just as capable of adapting and finding new work as anyone who has been laid off in a factory closure or small business that has gone under; and in many cases, better equipped. The government is too big and this has been in the works for decades. Now many of those people are "dependent" on the government for their jobs and well-being, and that is not a good place to be in, as history has shown us repeatedly.
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All of this is 100% wrong.
 
This is where I fault social media.

Social media made us all feel like our opinions are all equally weighted when, in fact, they are not. You have highly educated, subject matter experts like @Ross and @1300m telling you this is an awful idea. Yet, here we are with people disagreeing with the subject matter experts like their opinions are on the same playing field as the SMEs.

make it make sense.
 
CaryWx said:
That's what I was wondering. These are essentially new hires right? Are they "retiring" long term critical employees too or something?
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If they go through with firing GS 13-15 employees via Schedule F then yes. At the Raleigh NWS office for ex., that includes meteorologists Blaes, Petro, Badgett, Hartfield, Locklear, Strickler as well as admin staff. They would all be targeted for Schedule F conversion.
 
What’s happened over the past couple weeks hasn’t helped sway the federal budget it’s hurt Americans. NWS getting cut and probably in the future being cut even more hurts. They’re not firing the bureaucracy they’re firing regular American workers and hurting small local economies. The government work force hasn’t even grown since the 1980’s
 
simon cowell facepalm GIF
 
Gutting the NOAA is foolish and reckless. The direct impacts and consequences this will have on peoples lives and public safety are unacceptable. Then there's the economic losses...of all the federal agencies the NOAA happens to have the highest ROI, by far. ($1 in taxes spent = anywhere from an estimated $10 to $50 in economic benefit). SMH.
 
JHS said:
All of this is 100% wrong.
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Well I guess that settles it then. You don't even need to give any evidence or thoughts; just you saying it makes it so?

So you don't think people are responsible for adjusting and adapting to what happens in life? You don't think people are capable of finding new work when another one is lost? You think the government should be able to ensure that everyone has a good job (if so there are other countries that do that better than the US)? You don't think most people feel their job is tougher (and more important) than most people think? What parts are 100% wrong?
 
Congratulations to Mr. Putin,

In your lifetime you watched the USSR fall while a young man and the West win. You made it your goal to defeat the west, get revenge. Sincerely congratulations in your success, you have masterfully executed your plan and here we are at the culmination of your work. You will go down in history as one of the most cunning men ever
 
cyclogent said:
Gutting the NOAA is foolish and reckless. The direct impacts and consequences this will have on peoples lives and public safety are unacceptable. Then there's the economic losses...of all the federal agencies the NOAA happens to have the highest ROI, by far. ($1 in taxes spent = anywhere from an estimated $10 to $50 in economic benefit). SMH.
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I wouldn't quite say it's gutting it.
 
BullCityWx said:
This is where I fault social media.

Social media made us all feel like our opinions are all equally weighted when, in fact, they are not. You have highly educated, subject matter experts like @Ross and @1300m telling you this is an awful idea. Yet, here we are with people disagreeing with the subject matter experts like their opinions are on the same playing field as the SMEs.

make it make sense.
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Who cares what those guys think lol their opinions are in fact opinions just like anyone else.
 
Stevo24 said:
Who cares what those guys think lol their opinions are in fact opinions just like anyone else.
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So you are telling me your opinion on an issue where you clearly have no educational experience in nor the apparent capacity to learn is equal to learned folks in their profession.

This is like you going to the hospital and telling the surgeon that you have a better plan. These folks work really, really, really hard for their spot. A masters degree in atmospheric sciences is a minimum of six years. A doctoral degree is gonna be even longer and you have the outright gall to believe your opinion is equal to those in the profession.

You have said some stupid ---- but this just about takes the cake.
 
BullCityWx said:
So you are telling me your opinion on an issue where you clearly have no educational experience in nor the apparent capacity to learn is equal to learned folks in their profession.

This is like you going to the hospital and telling the surgeon that you have a better plan. These folks work really, really, really hard for their spot. A masters degree in atmospheric sciences is a minimum of six years. A doctoral degree is gonna be even longer and you have the outright gall to believe your opinion is equal to those in the profession.

You have said some stupid ---- but this just about takes the cake.
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His head got too big when I named him one of the top 5 Mets of the forum ….
 
BullCityWx said:
So you are telling me your opinion on an issue where you clearly have no educational experience in nor the apparent capacity to learn is equal to learned folks in their profession.

This is like you going to the hospital and telling the surgeon that you have a better plan. These folks work really, really, really hard for their spot. A masters degree in atmospheric sciences is a minimum of six years. A doctoral degree is gonna be even longer and you have the outright gall to believe your opinion is equal to those in the profession.

You have said some stupid ---- but this just about takes the cake.
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Yep big degrees don’t mean everything. As a matter of fact that’s a big part of the problem these days. People thinking their degrees make them so smart that they can’t even use common sense. But oh well ramble on I’m done talking about it.
 
Stevo24 said:
Yep big degrees don’t mean everything. As a matter of fact that’s a big part of the problem these days. People thinking their degrees make them so smart that they can’t even use common sense. But oh well ramble on I’m done talking about it.
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when it comes to government and running it efficiently you are exactly right.
 
So which would you rather live in …. (Contemplating moving, not bc of snow …. But personal reasons)

1. Kingsport /Bristol TN
2. Beckley WV
3. Huntsville AL
4. Oxford MS
5. Harrisonburg VA


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We are sitting on a time bomb with the current debt and unless some things are done quickly, we will never recover. Kicking the can down the road has gotten us into the situation we are in and it HAS TO BE FIXED. Everybody wants to cut in areas other than their own and that gets us nowhere. Besides most of the Dems in congress (and a lot of Rep too) think a cut is reducing the INCREASE by a point or two, that is not a cut, it is merely a slowing of the growth. The service on the debt will be 1 TRILLION dollars and unless you have a plan to grow the economy by 5-6% over a decade, we will never get our financial house in order. Everybody has got to accept some cuts and pains or we will have no choice soon but to devalue the dollar to help reduce the debt. Are you willing to go there? Because if you are, just know your savings and investments will be cut up to one half.
 
WolfpackHomer91 said:
So which would you rather live in …. (Contemplating moving, not bc of snow …. But personal reasons)

1. Kingsport /Bristol TN
2. Beckley WV
3. Huntsville AL
4. Oxford MS
5. Harrisonburg VA


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Out of that list, Harrisonburg VA by far. Nice place....... Been there on business too many times to count and yes, as an added bonus, they get their fair share of snow too.
 
WolfpackHomer91 said:
So which would you rather live in …. (Contemplating moving, not bc of snow …. But personal reasons)

1. Kingsport /Bristol TN
2. Beckley WV
3. Huntsville AL
4. Oxford MS
5. Harrisonburg VA


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You get more snow than Huntsville or Oxford I promise on average
 
You guys were giving winter grades a week or so ago and I wanted to wait to see what might happen with this first 10 days or so of March. It looks like (as expected) most of the cold and wintry looks have pretty much gone away; with only a few scattered freezes ahead for non mountain locations. Some of you guys are more generous with your grades, some have had a better winter, and some of you maybe are more directly comparing this one to the past 2.

So for me; I give the cold a "C". Much better than last 2 years but that doesn't factor in here. Jan was well below average, Feb was solidly above, and Dec was dead on average. Looks like March is going to be uneventful with cold. Plus we had the historic warmth the first 10 days of Feb and ended warm as well. Never saw single digits or anything crazy.

For snow; around 2 inches total. Saw it fall 4 times but it never really worked out too well, just too many misses and flies in the ointment. Well below average, an always something to mess it up with near misses. "D-"

Total winter grade for me is a "D". Way better than last 2 but that doesn't make this winter better than what it was.
 
MichaelJ said:
We are sitting on a time bomb with the current debt and unless some things are done quickly, we will never recover. Kicking the can down the road has gotten us into the situation we are in and it HAS TO BE FIXED. Everybody wants to cut in areas other than their own and that gets us nowhere. Besides most of the Dems in congress (and a lot of Rep too) think a cut is reducing the INCREASE by a point or two, that is not a cut, it is merely a slowing of the growth. The service on the debt will be 1 TRILLION dollars and unless you have a plan to grow the economy by 5-6% over a decade, we will never get our financial house in order. Everybody has got to accept some cuts and pains or we will have no choice soon but to devalue the dollar to help reduce the debt. Are you willing to go there? Because if you are, just know your savings and investments will be cut up to one half.
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Thank you for saying what most Americans already know to be the facts ..... In your household, when you have to make budget cuts it hurts, but it is necessary to avoid losing your home, car, furniture, etc. Seems like some people think that the government is exempt from economics 101. Wow, I just can't understand ......
 
MichaelJ said:
We are sitting on a time bomb with the current debt and unless some things are done quickly, we will never recover. Kicking the can down the road has gotten us into the situation we are in and it HAS TO BE FIXED. Everybody wants to cut in areas other than their own and that gets us nowhere. Besides most of the Dems in congress (and a lot of Rep too) think a cut is reducing the INCREASE by a point or two, that is not a cut, it is merely a slowing of the growth. The service on the debt will be 1 TRILLION dollars and unless you have a plan to grow the economy by 5-6% over a decade, we will never get our financial house in order. Everybody has got to accept some cuts and pains or we will have no choice soon but to devalue the dollar to help reduce the debt. Are you willing to go there? Because if you are, just know your savings and investments will be cut up to one half.
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Cutting a vital service that barely has over a billion dollars in the budget and is already understaffed, a vital service that saves lives and helps prepare against expensive property damage, ect. isn't the answer (by the way, the current admin has a combined net worth literally hundreds of times the entire budget of NOAA/NWS) .
 
A person in the government who I will not name could literally make a personal donation to double, triple, quadruple, even quintuple the budget of NOAA/NWS and it would literally be pennies to him in exchange for helping save more lives.
 
Bham 99 said:
You get more snow than Huntsville or Oxford I promise on average
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Trust me , it’s HarrisonBurg or Beckley 100% for me … Hell, I’d move to Buffalo tonight if she would. Quite frankly just trying to get out of this area …. It’s too expensive. We can sell this house and go Pay cash for one a little more modest bc we put so much down. I’m willing to live in a less desired area to be debt free at 33.

The end goal here is to put all my effort into buying some land and ATTEMPTING to open a campground nothing crazy but maybe 20 slots full hookup. My wife does traveling contracts for Ultrasounds and she’s normally pulled ours and stayed at private owned sites to use less of that Stipend money. Would prefer long term medical or truckers or anyone long term but 20 slots at even $600-$700 a month would be passive income


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