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Add unconditional love and fear to that list then as well. If they can't coexist then why would you fear someone or some"thing" that is supposed to love you? It doesn't exist is my very contention. There is no hell or judgement day nor is there any rapture with god wiping out all the people who didn't fall in line. That is ridiculous
Ridiculous?? You have a rude awakening. All these things you just mentioned that won’t happen will actually indeed happen. You and me have no other choice but to face God face to face and be judged for our earthly doings. There is a heaven and hell, and there is a rapture whether you’re ready or not. Plus the rapture won’t happen with God as you mentioned but with Jesus.
 
Ridiculous?? You have a rude awakening. All these things you just mentioned that won’t happen will actually indeed happen. You and me have no other choice but to face God face to face and be judged for our earthly doings. There is a heaven and hell, and there is a rapture whether you’re ready or not. Plus the rapture won’t happen with God as you mentioned but with Jesus.
Neither one of us can prove this in the present. The only people that can even give us a glimpse are those who have had NDE (I have) and people who have proven they existed in a past life. The eastern religions (if you can even call them that) had it correct and so did the christian mystics who believed in reincarnation before the church put a stop to it and slaughtered them. There is no hell if reincarnation is real and it is. There is no rapture or no judgement day or day of reckoning like you want there to be. It's sad that you even want this to exist as you see it
 
Neither one of us can prove this in the present. The only people that can even give us a glimpse are those who have had NDE (I have) and people who have proven they existed in a past life. The eastern religions (if you can even call them that) had it correct and so did the christian mystics who believed in reincarnation before the church put a stop to it and slaughtered them. There is no hell if reincarnation is real and it is. There is no rapture or no judgement day or day of reckoning like you want there to be. It's sad that you even want this to exist as you see it
Thankfully, we do have much proof. There is not a single ancient historical event more documented than the life, the crucifixion, and the resurrection of Jesus the messiah. It is so believable it split time in two for most of the world, AD and BC.
Not only that, there are 300 messianic prophecies He fulfilled, all written hundreds of years before his manifestation in Bethlehem. The statistical probability of this is ; 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000.
Not only that, when people live according to the council of the Word, it always works. God has told us and shown us and even worked miracles on our behalf, and there is people who deny the truth for the sake of religion. You see, the Maker has offered us a covenant of love, not a religion. He has made the Way, He has payed the price, He has done the greatest suffering, so all we have to do is rest from our pride and manmade gods, and let Him have our lives so we can truly be alive. Its a family relationship held together by the greatest Love ever known!
 
Thankfully, we do have much proof. There is not a single ancient historical event more documented than the life, the crucifixion, and the resurrection of Jesus the messiah. It is so believable it split time in two for most of the world, AD and BC.
Not only that, there are 300 messianic prophecies He fulfilled, all written hundreds of years before his manifestation in Bethlehem. The statistical probability of this is ; 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000.
Not only that, when people live according to the council of the Word, it always works. God has told us and shown us and even worked miracles on our behalf, and there is people who deny the truth for the sake of religion. You see, the Maker has offered us a covenant of love, not a religion. He has made the Way, He has payed the price, He has done the greatest suffering, so all we have to do is rest from our pride and manmade gods, and let Him have our lives so we can truly be alive. Its a family relationship held together by the greatest Love ever known!
Sorry but I have already had this argument about 10 times on here. Not interested in having it again. I say you are 100% wrong and you say the opposite. Im trying to have a common ground conversation but it's difficult to find when one side is so damn arrogant it becomes impossible
 
Sorry but I have already had this argument about 10 times on here. Not interested in having it again. I say you are 100% wrong and you say the opposite. Im trying to have a common ground conversation but it's difficult to find when one side is so damn arrogant it becomes impossible
All I say, is look at the evidence. God doesn't ask for blind faith, He has revealed it to anyone who will see. If you see it another way, you have decided to be blind to the truth.
 
Ridiculous?? You have a rude awakening. All these things you just mentioned that won’t happen will actually indeed happen. You and me have no other choice but to face God face to face and be judged for our earthly doings. There is a heaven and hell, and there is a rapture whether you’re ready or not. Plus the rapture won’t happen with God as you mentioned but with Jesus.
Why do your earthly doings matter? Isn’t the prerequisite just full acceptance of Jesus ? All else don’t matter , your works do not matter ! Least that’s the Protestant faith
 
All I say, is look at the evidence. God doesn't ask for blind faith, He has revealed it to anyone who will see. If you see it another way, you have decided to be blind to the truth.
I did, for 45 years. I have had this conversation too and it got nowhere so I'm not repeating it again. I watched too many of my brothers and sisters blow their brains out after we got home from the war because people told them to pray and trust the bible. They don't have time to wait for prayers to be answered when they are suffering the worst horrors imaginable so I decided to save my own life by escaping from this trap and finding the real truth. Now that I am retired I devote what time I have left to helping Vets get help through plant medicines and getting back to the truth our ancestors held from the past before religous dogma started this entire cycle of war and killing. Unfortunately most don't understand this reasoning
 
Why do your earthly doings matter? Isn’t the prerequisite just full acceptance of Jesus ? All else don’t matter , your works do not matter ! Least that’s the Protestant faith
Sorry lick, that's not true. There is no protestant way or catholic way that is right . The only Way is according to the Word of God. What denominations divide themselves over is usually to their own peril. God's word says that we will give an account even for "every idle word we speak". The good news is God offers us forgiveness for every shortcoming, be it doing evil or not doing good, if we ask Him and repent. Grace and Faith are joined together in the New Covenant of God. Grace being God's divine influence upon the heart and its reflection in the life, and Faith being the trust we have in God's word (Jesus). It is manifest in a changed course of life, we call it" born again". Before, it was all about us and what we could gain. We now Know God and want to please Him. Unfortunately, we still have to fight our own flesh, our own evil desires so we aren't perfect here, but we look forward to a new body, a glorified body like Jesus, that God will give us at the resurrection.
 
Sorry lick, that's not true. There is no protestant way or catholic way that is right . The only Way is according to the Word of God. What denominations divide themselves over is usually to their own peril. God's word says that we will give an account even for "every idle word we speak". The good news is God offers us forgiveness for every shortcoming, be it doing evil or not doing good, if we ask Him and repent. Grace and Faith are joined together in the New Covenant of God. Grace being God's divine influence upon the heart and its reflection in the life, and Faith being the trust we have in God's word (Jesus). It is manifest in a changed course of life, we call it" born again". Before, it was all about us and what we could gain. We now Know God and want to please Him. Unfortunately, we still have to fight our own flesh, our own evil desires so we aren't perfect here, but we look forward to a new body, a glorified body like Jesus, that God will give us at the resurrection.
Here is the word of the god of your holy book. The scripture you never get to see on Sunday. This is what opened my eyes. this is not the words of a god that loves us

Ephesians 6:5

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.


Exodus 21:20-21

Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.



2 Chronicles 15:12-13

And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman".

Luke 19:27

But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”

Matthew 10:34

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword".

Ezekiel 35:7-9

I will make Mount Seir a waste and a desolation, and I will cut off from it all who come and go. And I will fill its mountains with the slain. On your hills and in your valleys and in all your ravines those slain with the sword shall fall. I will make you a perpetual desolation, and your cities shall not be inhabited. Then you will know that I am the Lord".

1 Samuel 15:2-3

Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
 
I did, for 45 years. I have had this conversation too and it got nowhere so I'm not repeating it again. I watched too many of my brothers and sisters blow their brains out after we got home from the war because people told them to pray and trust the bible. They don't have time to wait for prayers to be answered when they are suffering the worst horrors imaginable so I decided to save my own life by escaping from this trap and finding the real truth. Now that I am retired I devote what time I have left to helping Vets get help through plant medicines and getting back to the truth our ancestors held from the past before religous dogma started this entire cycle of war and killing. Unfortunately most don't understand this reasoning
I'm truly sorry for what you had to see and live through. I can't imagine! But, I know God has a better way for you than those plants He made. I knows He loves you and cares for you. I know if you will truly seek Him with all your heart, you will find rest for your soul. Thousands of men and women who have been through what you have, have found rest for their soul. It's more real than any temporary fix you might get. Just try praying to God, reading His Word, and confessing His truth as you do. Even,( if you are under the influence) Don't give up, you have too much at stake.
 
I'm truly sorry for what you had to see and live through. I can't imagine! But, I know God has a better way for you than those plants He made. I knows He loves you and cares for you. I know if you will truly seek Him with all your heart, you will find rest for your soul. Thousands of men and women who have been through what you have, have found rest for their soul. It's more real than any temporary fix you might get. Just try praying to God, reading His Word, and confessing His truth as you do. Even,( if you are under the influence) Don't give up, you have too much at stake.
I already found god friend! I found him a long time ago I just stopped believing he sits on a throne controlling my life for good or bad for the purpose of judging me. You can only watch so many people you care about take their life waiting for something they also believed in to never materialize. It's easy to say the things you say when it isn't happening to you. That makes believing really easy. Luckily I didn't give up I sought and found the truth. I have karma to work off in my next life for taking life I had no right to take but I am fine with it because my soul has begun the healing process. 22 vets take their life every single day and most of them are Christians or have called themselves that at one time or another. Sorry but I call that a colossal failure that religion has no good answer for unless you enjoy war and killing your enemies. I have had enough of that in this lifetime
 
I already found god friend! I found him a long time ago I just stopped believing he sits on a throne controlling my life for good or bad for the purpose of judging me. You can only watch so many people you care about take their life waiting for something they also believed in to never materialize. It's easy to say the things you say when it isn't happening to you. That makes believing really easy. Luckily I didn't give up I sought and found the truth. I have karma to work off in my next life for taking life I had no right to take but I am fine with it because my soul has begun the healing process. 22 vets take their life every single day and most of them are Christians or have called themselves that at one time or another. Sorry but I call that a colossal failure that religion has no good answer for unless you enjoy war and killing your enemies. I have had enough of that in this lifetime
May God Bless you sir, I'm so sorry you are suffering for my sake. may the Almighty have mercy on you!
 
A lot of great information in this podcast but you scroll to the 37 minute mark and listen to his answer and you will have your answer about what is going on. It's all consciousness folks. It always has been and at some point soon it's going to come out

 
Here is the word of the god of your holy book. The scripture you never get to see on Sunday. This is what opened my eyes. this is not the words of a god that loves us

Ephesians 6:5

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.


Exodus 21:20-21

Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.



2 Chronicles 15:12-13

And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman".

Luke 19:27

But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”

Matthew 10:34

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword".

Ezekiel 35:7-9

I will make Mount Seir a waste and a desolation, and I will cut off from it all who come and go. And I will fill its mountains with the slain. On your hills and in your valleys and in all your ravines those slain with the sword shall fall. I will make you a perpetual desolation, and your cities shall not be inhabited. Then you will know that I am the Lord".

1 Samuel 15:2-3

Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
Sandbar, you asked, “How could a loving God say these things” I felt the need to put these in public view, even with the length of the answers, because taken out of context, or as they stand alone without explanation, the author and source of love might be defamed.

Ephesians 6:5

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.


Paul, writing in the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, was not endorsing slavery, he was demanding the submission to the authority slaves were under. Jesus, submitted to the worldly authorities and allowed them to crucify Him for doing no wrong. He was manifest as God, in the flesh of man, and still had at his disposal the angels, and the Father in heaven to immediately relieve Him from his predicament. Yet, he chose to humble himself as a slave, and be hung on a tree, to carry the sins of the world. For God to require us to be well behaved in our servitude, be it as a slave with no legal rights, or a worker in an office building, He is not asking us to do anything as difficult as He has done for us. A loving father wants his children to be respectable, and that requires them to give respect to authority.

Exodus 21:20-21

Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.


Sandbar, there are important instructions connected to this topic that you didn’t include, that must be included to get better understanding.

Exodus 21: 26“If a man strikes the eye of his male or female slave, and destroys it, he shall let him go free for the sake of his eye. 27And if he knocks out the tooth of his male or female servant, he shall let him go free for the sake of his tooth.

The institution o slavery is man’s idea. The institution was formed usually through decisions of war. It still is today in Africa, the eastern world, and parts of central and south America. It is a solution derived where combatting tribes capture individuals or defeat their adversary. The defeated has an option to die, or become a slave. Thus, the institution is alive today. God did not outlaw it, though by His very commandment He makes it plain it is not His desire. When Jesus is asked what the Greatest commandment is, he answers;” Mt 22:37 Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Jesus goes on to explain who a man’s neighbor is in the story of the good Samaritan. He shows us it is any person in need that crosses our path. You will find this in Luke 10. This leaves very little room for slavery.”

However, Just as God desires one man to be married to one woman, because of man’s hardened heart, He allows divorce. Slavery was and is a fact of life in a fallen world for this same reason. The world says that a slave is the complete property of the slave owner. They have no rights or protection. A few nations did offer some protections through the ages, but in the uncivilized parts of the world, even the slaves life belongs to the slave owner. God, in His great love, offered protection for the slave in Israel that was not recognized anywhere else.

Sandbar, I will answer the other scriptures in a private message because of the amount of space this requires. If anyone else would like to discus these with me, fill free to message me. God bless you!
 
Sandbar, you asked, “How could a loving God say these things” I felt the need to put these in public view, even with the length of the answers, because taken out of context, or as they stand alone without explanation, the author and source of love might be defamed.

Ephesians 6:5

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.


Paul, writing in the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, was not endorsing slavery, he was demanding the submission to the authority slaves were under. Jesus, submitted to the worldly authorities and allowed them to crucify Him for doing no wrong. He was manifest as God, in the flesh of man, and still had at his disposal the angels, and the Father in heaven to immediately relieve Him from his predicament. Yet, he chose to humble himself as a slave, and be hung on a tree, to carry the sins of the world. For God to require us to be well behaved in our servitude, be it as a slave with no legal rights, or a worker in an office building, He is not asking us to do anything as difficult as He has done for us. A loving father wants his children to be respectable, and that requires them to give respect to authority.

Exodus 21:20-21

Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.


Sandbar, there are important instructions connected to this topic that you didn’t include, that must be included to get better understanding.

Exodus 21: 26“If a man strikes the eye of his male or female slave, and destroys it, he shall let him go free for the sake of his eye. 27And if he knocks out the tooth of his male or female servant, he shall let him go free for the sake of his tooth.

The institution o slavery is man’s idea. The institution was formed usually through decisions of war. It still is today in Africa, the eastern world, and parts of central and south America. It is a solution derived where combatting tribes capture individuals or defeat their adversary. The defeated has an option to die, or become a slave. Thus, the institution is alive today. God did not outlaw it, though by His very commandment He makes it plain it is not His desire. When Jesus is asked what the Greatest commandment is, he answers;” Mt 22:37 Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Jesus goes on to explain who a man’s neighbor is in the story of the good Samaritan. He shows us it is any person in need that crosses our path. You will find this in Luke 10. This leaves very little room for slavery.”

However, Just as God desires one man to be married to one woman, because of man’s hardened heart, He allows divorce. Slavery was and is a fact of life in a fallen world for this same reason. The world says that a slave is the complete property of the slave owner. They have no rights or protection. A few nations did offer some protections through the ages, but in the uncivilized parts of the world, even the slaves life belongs to the slave owner. God, in His great love, offered protection for the slave in Israel that was not recognized anywhere else.

Sandbar, I will answer the other scriptures in a private message because of the amount of space this requires. If anyone else would like to discus these with me, fill free to message me. God bless you!
First thing I noticed is that you didn't answer all of them only 2 of them. The reason is because it's all there in black and white, it's cruel and you CAN NOT defend it PERIOD. The character you think is your god in this book is nothing but a murderous dictator. I have plenty more and they are all plain and simple. They looked down on women, slaves and anybody else who didn't comply and you worship this stuff? I think it's time you folks upgraded god's word to that of a more civilized society
 
First thing I noticed is that you didn't answer all of them only 2 of them. The reason is because it's all there in black and white, it's cruel and you CAN NOT defend it PERIOD. The character you think is your god in this book is nothing but a murderous dictator. I have plenty more and they are all plain and simple. They looked down on women, slaves and anybody else who didn't comply and you worship this stuff? I think it's time you folks upgraded god's word to that of a more civilized society
Sandbar, this shows me you didn't read what I wrote. If you would read what I wrote you would see " I will answer the other scriptures in a private message because of the amount of space this requires. If anyone else would like to discus these with me, fill free to message me. God bless you! " I will answer you , YOUR HIGHNESS, IN A PRIVATE MESSAGE ....LATER
 
First thing I noticed is that you didn't answer all of them only 2 of them. The reason is because it's all there in black and white, it's cruel and you CAN NOT defend it PERIOD. The character you think is your god in this book is nothing but a murderous dictator. I have plenty more and they are all plain and simple. They looked down on women, slaves and anybody else who didn't comply and you worship this stuff? I think it's time you folks upgraded god's word to that of a more civilized society
Check your messages, Sandbar
 
Don't waste your time. If you want to put it here you have that right but I have seen it all before and NO. I prefer my biblical knowledge to contain a sense of logic and your logic isn't cutting it.
Not sure why you have to be so confrontational, some good people trying to have some good conversation and you continually talk down to them. As you always say, if you don't want to discuss it, scroll on by.
 
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