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Arcc said:
Who made Karma the ruler to judge that as wrong? The natural world says otherwise.
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As above so below.....

What I do here in the natural world affects my ascension in the afterlife. That's what karma is. It's never too late to start working that karma off and that's what I am doing now exposing the lies we have been told. I'm sorry if it pisses people off but my journey is mine not those of a billion followers who choose to buy those lies
 
Sandbar said:
As above so below.....

What I do here in the natural world affects my ascension in the afterlife. That's what karma is. It's never too late to start working that karma off and that's what I am doing now exposing the lies we have been told. I'm sorry if it pisses people off but my journey is mine not those of a billion followers who choose to buy those lies
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You are not making anyone upset in the way you think that you are, I can assure you of that. Your arguments don’t make enough sense.

My neighbor is a Sabbath Keeper, who I believe to also be a good man and he brought some of his beliefs to me the other day and honestly I had to go and study some things out. On the other hand, your arguments have left me just scratching my head to what you are actually trying to show us. From what I understand is I’m brainwashed, yet there is no wrong or judge yet I’m wrong because karma deems it so, yet I will not be punished despite all truth being completely relative.

Honestly, these conversations are likely moot because if you follow the path that many others have trodden, you will believe something completely different in a year or so. Jello begets jello and so forth.
 
Arcc said:
You are not making anyone upset in the way you think that you are, I can assure you of that. Your arguments don’t make enough sense.

My neighbor is a Sabbath Keeper, who I believe to also be a good man and he brought some of his beliefs to me the other day and honestly I had to go and study some things out. On the other hand, your arguments have left me just scratching my head to what you are actually trying to show us. From what I understand is I’m brainwashed, yet there is no wrong or judge yet I’m wrong because karma deems it so, yet I will not be punished despite all truth being completely relative.

Honestly, these conversations are likely moot because if you follow the path that many others have trodden, you will believe something completely different in a year or so. Jello begets jello and so forth.
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No what you can't seem to comprehend is that there is no ONE WAY. The only argument YOU make is that you are right and everyone else is simply wrong and you point to some holy book written by evil men as your proof. I have said everything you have said here to me 10,000 times to other people when I believed this one way nonsense. You are basically telling billions of people who love Jesus too that unless they walk your exact path that they are going to hell and you have the arrogant gall to claim this is what Jesus desires. You do this with little to no knowledge of what anyone else has experienced themselves and you won't even consider anything else as a possibility. That's where you have been brainwashed by the church and you wonder why you feel picked on. I have already experienced Christianity for 45 years. It did NOTHING for me but cause me to sink to my lowest point. I sought out and found the truth and although it was difficult and painful I am at the best place in my spiritual journey I have ever been and my expression of that offends you for some odd reason. I may come off as brash but your path doesn't bother me, it's mine that bothers you because you cannot except a damn thing that doesn't fit in your religious box. I put several links up here that explains why I feel you have been lied to. That information I linked came from a former person high in the church who saw the same things I did but you refuse to look at it or even consider it. It's difficult to have a conversation with people who have zero interest in even considering what other knowledgeable people say. It's ok to expand your mind because there is way more to this story than you have been taught. If you aren't interested in having a conversation outside your comfort zone just say so and I will know not to bother you
 
John 14:6
[6] Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Jesus's own words, you either choose to believe it or not. It's really simple and I'm not offended or mad at anyone's personal decision. All I can do is pray that when the spirit works on an individual they accept.
 
Metwannabe said:
John 14:6
[6] Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Jesus's own words, you either choose to believe it or not. It's really simple and I'm not offended or mad at anyone's personal decision. All I can do is pray that when the spirit works on an individual they accept.
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The primary (and unfortunately, insurmountable) problem is, if you're not arguing within the same basic framework, then it becomes a literal impossibility to reach an agreement.

The Bible is the complete, infallible, inerrant word of God. Unless someone agrees with that as a starting point, then sadly, there is no argument that you can make which relies on anything that the Bible says, that will gain you any ground whatsoever.

This is why I don't spend any time in here anymore. The anything-goes, self-spiritual pantheistic mysticism presented in here is the ultimate jello religion that can't be nailed to any pillar of sound doctrine because it's not rooted in anything, while at the same time, rooted in everything.

Making any progress through debate is therefore an impossibility and an utter waste of time.
 
Metwannabe said:
John 14:6
[6] Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Jesus's own words, you either choose to believe it or not. It's really simple and I'm not offended or mad at anyone's personal decision. All I can do is pray that when the spirit works on an individual they accept.
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Didn’t know Jesus spoke English
 
Metwannabe said:
John 14:6
[6] Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Jesus's own words, you either choose to believe it or not. It's really simple and I'm not offended or mad at anyone's personal decision. All I can do is pray that when the spirit works on an individual they accept.
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And if you study where Jesus went for 18 years (Egypt, India and Nepal) you will understand what it actually means. Jesus didn't come here to save you, he came here to show you the way back. It's called enlightenment and the early gnostic Christians knew this. The church of course did not agree so they slaughtered the early Christians for "hersey" and altered the Bible to introduce heaven and hell so you will be a good boy and obey your masters. If you will take the time to look outside the nonsense that has been fed to you, you will see the true teachings of Jesus. He was not a Messiah and never claimed to be. In fact he never wrote a single word down so you have NO CLUE WHATSOEVER if this is exactly what he said. You just blindly trust it without questioning. That's called FEAR!
 
Rain Cold said:
The primary (and unfortunately, insurmountable) problem is, if you're not arguing within the same basic framework, then it becomes a literal impossibility to reach an agreement.

The Bible is the complete, infallible, inerrant word of God. Unless someone agrees with that as a starting point, then sadly, there is no argument that you can make which relies on anything that the Bible says, that will gain you any ground whatsoever.

This is why I don't spend any time in here anymore. The anything-goes, self-spiritual pantheistic mysticism presented in here is the ultimate jello religion that can't be nailed to any pillar of sound doctrine because it's not rooted in anything, while at the same time, rooted in everything.

Making any progress through debate is therefore an impossibility and an utter waste of time.
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100% arrogance and nothing more
 
Sandbar said:
No what you can't seem to comprehend is that there is no ONE WAY. The only argument YOU make is that you are right and everyone else is simply wrong and you point to some holy book written by evil men as your proof. I have said everything you have said here to me 10,000 times to other people when I believed this one way nonsense. You are basically telling billions of people who love Jesus too that unless they walk your exact path that they are going to hell and you have the arrogant gall to claim this is what Jesus desires. You do this with little to no knowledge of what anyone else has experienced themselves and you won't even consider anything else as a possibility. That's where you have been brainwashed by the church and you wonder why you feel picked on. I have already experienced Christianity for 45 years. It did NOTHING for me but cause me to sink to my lowest point. I sought out and found the truth and although it was difficult and painful I am at the best place in my spiritual journey I have ever been and my expression of that offends you for some odd reason. I may come off as brash but your path doesn't bother me, it's mine that bothers you because you cannot except a damn thing that doesn't fit in your religious box. I put several links up here that explains why I feel you have been lied to. That information I linked came from a former person high in the church who saw the same things I did but you refuse to look at it or even consider it. It's difficult to have a conversation with people who have zero interest in even considering what other knowledgeable people say. It's ok to expand your mind because there is way more to this story than you have been taught. If you aren't interested in having a conversation outside your comfort zone just say so and I will know not to bother you
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Once again, I am not offended, I am not bothered in the least. I do feel sad with the way you are walking, but we do have free will.

No, I’m just interested in your religion that seems to have less substance than that of a pastaferian. All you have presented is a swirling toilet bowl full of contradictions.

BTW, of course I am right. In a world of supposed relative truth, I can’t be wrong.
 
Sandbar said:
Jesus never wrote a thing down. If I told a story, by the time it got around to recording it 100 years later it would be nothing like the original
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He actually once wrote some stuff in the sand, and a bunch of people standing around walked away in shame.
 
Arcc said:
Once again, I am not offended, I am not bothered in the least. I do feel sad with the way you are walking, but we do have free will.

No, I’m just interested in your religion that seems to have less substance than that of a pastaferian. All you have presented is a swirling toilet bowl full of contradictions.

BTW, of course I am right. In a world of supposed relative truth, I can’t be wrong.
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I don't have a religion! That's the point. I am willing to look at ALL the ancient text including the Bible to try and understand what it means instead of blindly following what someone told me. There are thousands upon thousands of ancient text that tells the story of our history. I have named many of them. I have provided you links from biblical scholars who 100% agree with me on this. How will you understand all of this if you don't even make the effort to educate yourself. Jesus went to Egypt and India for a reason. Because they are our ancient ancestors. The Bible is full of hidden messages and meaning that you probably have no clue of. I didn't and I always took it at face value until I awakened. This awakening is happening all over and there is nothing you can do to stop it. We are uncovering ancient sites every day thanks to advanced technology and those sites are showing us we are far older than we thought. The Sumerians are thought to be the oldest civilization on record. Go research their story and it will open your eyes to why you have been fooled from the beginning
 
Sandbar said:
I don't have a religion! That's the point. I am willing to look at ALL the ancient text including the Bible to try and understand what it means instead of blindly following what someone told me. There are thousands upon thousands of ancient text that tells the story of our history. I have named many of them. I have provided you links from biblical scholars who 100% agree with me on this. How will you understand all of this if you don't even make the effort to educate yourself. Jesus went to Egypt and India for a reason. Because they are our ancient ancestors. The Bible is full of hidden messages and meaning that you probably have no clue of. I didn't and I always took it at face value until I awakened. This awakening is happening all over and there is nothing you can do to stop it. We are uncovering ancient sites every day thanks to advanced technology and those sites are showing us we are far older than we thought. The Sumerians are thought to be the oldest civilization on record. Go research their story and it will open your eyes to why you have been fooled from the beginning
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Why would I want to stop it? If you are correct there is no real point to anything.

I am curious about your approach to near death experiences. How do you rationalize your versions of those experiences vs those that claim they awoke in hell or went to heaven?

Edit: So the Bible that I am not supposed to believe because of the fact that they have changed it to brainwash me is full of hidden messages that I am supposed to believe? Interesting.
 
Arcc said:
Why would I want to stop it? If you are correct there is no real point to anything.

I am curious about your approach to near death experiences. How do you rationalize your versions of those experiences vs those that claim they awoke in hell or went to heaven?

Edit: So the Bible that I am not supposed to believe because of the fact that they have changed it to brainwash me is full of hidden messages that I am supposed to believe? Interesting.
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It's wasted time at this point as someone has already alluded to. I've already been where you are and had my eyes opened. You have made it clear you have zero interest in anything anyone else has to say and if I try I'm just mocking you and I'm the mean old bully so it's lose/lose for me
 
Sandbar said:
It's wasted time at this point as someone has already alluded to. I've already been where you are and had my eyes opened. You have made it clear you have zero interest in anything anyone else has to say and if I try I'm just mocking you and I'm the mean old bully so it's lose/lose for me
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Strange, I have not viewed you as mocking me or a bully at all during our conversation.
 
Arcc said:
Strange, I have not viewed you as mocking me or a bully at all during our conversation.
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There are people here who want to have this conversation with me it's probably best I do that with them in PM and not here because it ruffles too many feathers as you can tell. This thread seems more geared towards cheerleading not meaningful conversation on differing opinions. Please don't take offense to that but it is what it is
 
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