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Sandbar said:
You didn't address anything. You just confirmed your own Christian bias and YES we can all be correct because there is no one way or one truth on the other side. That's something somebody told you and you "believe it". The real problem with religous people such as yourself is that you insist you are right and everybody else is wrong and THAT is what is nonsense. I could just as easily say you have ZERO understanding of God, Jesus, Christianity or the Bible. I'm not sure if you know this but not all scholars agree within your own religion. That tells me enough
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I didn't address anything and said I would not in my post... mainly because it's all been addressed before.

Sandbar, if people are expressing different world views that proclaim different truths they cannot all be correct. Further, if truth is just relative then there there is no absolute truth. So, is your assertion that "YES we can all be correct because there is no one way or one truth on the other side" an absolute truth? If so it is self defeating. If not then it is false.

I already addressed the issue of "me being right and everybody else being wrong" in post 2016. There is such a thing as right and wrong. We cannot do a lot of science or any mathematics without it. We couldn't arrive at what is true or false without it. Now I may not actually know what is true, but it is out there regardless if I, you, or anyone else knows it or not.

As for scholars; I mean there are scholars that proclaim all kinds of things. I am not taking their word on any of those issues, I try to look into them myself.

I am trying to have a fair discussion with you but you have to get off the train of "someone told me to think that way." I have addressed that several times and either you don't believe me (your choice but I would hope you would have more respect for me than that), you don't bother to read it, you can't see past your assumptions, or you just want to go round and round.
 
Iceagewhereartthou said:
I didn't address anything and said I would not in my post... mainly because it's all been addressed before.

Sandbar, if people are expressing different world views that proclaim different truths they cannot all be correct. Further, if truth is just relative then there there is no absolute truth. So, is your assertion that "YES we can all be correct because there is no one way or one truth on the other side" an absolute truth? If so it is self defeating. If not then it is false.

I already addressed the issue of "me being right and everybody else being wrong" in post 2016. There is such a thing as right and wrong. We cannot do a lot of science or any mathematics without it. We couldn't arrive at what is true or false without it. Now I may not actually know what is true, but it is out there regardless if I, you, or anyone else knows it or not.

As for scholars; I mean there are scholars that proclaim all kinds of things. I am not taking their word on any of those issues, I try to look into them myself.

I am trying to have a fair discussion with you but you have to get off the train of "someone told me to think that way." I have addressed that several times and either you don't believe me (your choice but I would hope you would have more respect for me than that), you don't bother to read it, you can't see past your assumptions, or you just want to go round and round.
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Equation #1 2+2 = 4
Equation #2 3+1 = 4

Both different. Which is right and which is wrong? For the sake of argument lets call Equation #1 Christianity and Equation #2 spirituality

I can live in a world where we are all right and get what we desire in the afterlife. It's you and other religous people that can't accept that because it's the only way you can make your equation work
 
Sandbar said:
Equation #1 2+2 = 4
Equation #2 3+1 = 4

Both different. Which is right and which is wrong? For the sake of argument lets call Equation #1 Christianity and Equation #2 spirituality

I can live in a world where we are all right and get what we desire in the afterlife. It's you and other religous people that can't accept that because it's the only way you can make your equation work
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"I can live in a world where we are all right and get what we desire in the afterlife."

Sorry man, this statement is just rationally and logically incorrect. Different and often opposing world views cannot both (or all) be correct. You are free to believe that if you wish but that is not reality. Paul and Siddhartha Gautama and Muhammad are not all right. It's possible none of them are, but they can't all be because they are saying different (and at some point) opposing things. If one guy says the sun is a burning ball of gas and another guy says it is a big light bulb they cannot both be right. Maybe neither of them is right, or maybe one of them is, but they cannot both be. The sun is what it is regardless of what either think; that is called reality. Just because one guy sees it as different doesn't mean it can be both at the same time.

Sure, there are lots of different equations that equal 4; which is evidence of the nature and rules of mathematics. But that is only because there is a "right" answer to be found. 2 +2 and 3+1 both equal 4, but those are right answers. They will never equal 5 or 31, or 1026; those would be incorrect answers. If one guys says 2+2 equals 4, another says it equals 5, another says it equals 31, and another says 1026; only one of them is correct.
 
Iceagewhereartthou said:
"I can live in a world where we are all right and get what we desire in the afterlife."

Sorry man, this statement is just rationally and logically incorrect. Different and often opposing world views cannot both (or all) be correct. You are free to believe that if you wish but that is not reality. Paul and Siddhartha Gautama and Muhammad are not all right. It's possible none of them are, but they can't all be because they are saying different (and at some point) opposing things. If one guy says the sun is a burning ball of gas and another guy says it is a big light bulb they cannot both be right. Maybe neither of them is right, or maybe one of them is, but they cannot both be. The sun is what it is regardless of what either think; that is called reality. Just because one guy sees it as different doesn't mean it can be both at the same time.

Sure, there are lots of different equations that equal 4; which is evidence of the nature and rules of mathematics. But that is only because there is a "right" answer to be found. 2 +2 and 3+1 both equal 4, but those are right answers. They will never equal 5 or 31, or 1026; those would be incorrect answers. If one guys says 2+2 equals 4, another says it equals 5, another says it equals 31, and another says 1026; only one of them is correct.
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I disagree 1000% but's ok we all win in the end....That may upset you but that's life bud
 
I want to know how anybody can think that if one person says the sun is a big ball of fire and another says it's a bug light bulb, they are both right.
 
Rain Cold said:
I want to know how anybody can think that if one person says the sun is a big ball of fire and another says it's a bug light bulb, they are both right.
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If you read the post you will see the math analogy in there.......You can make this as complicated as you want bro but it isn't.

His post
There is such a thing as right and wrong. We cannot do a lot of science or any mathematics without it
My post
Equation #1 2+2 = 4
Equation #2 3+1 = 4

It make sense now?.....lol
 
Sandbar said:
If you read the post you will see the math analogy in there.......You can make this as complicated as you want bro but it isn't.

His post
There is such a thing as right and wrong. We cannot do a lot of science or any mathematics without it
My post
Equation #1 2+2 = 4
Equation #2 3+1 = 4

It make sense now?.....lol
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The math makes sense, but what you're saying is more akin to:

2+2 = 4
3+chicken = 4
 
As much as you guys talk about sheep and cults, you are a part of the biggest cult their is if you are honest about it. You worship (cult), you call yourselves a servant (cult) and if the sheep in front of you jumped into the fire because the holy book said to you would jump right behind them wouldn't you? I often wonder why god of the holy book doesn't ask any of you to stick a knife into your kid to prove loyalty anymore?

I think you are all awesome people but you need to read your own book and expand your mind beyond the days when the church you worship nailed people to crosses or burnt them because they had differing beliefs. We have advanced as a society in many ways but in many ways we haven't. Perfect example is playing out right in front of your eyes in Israel as we speak. Barbaric killing over dirt. We aren't going to learn to settle our differences like civilized people as long as the masses think it's ok to kill one another in war and war is straight out of the holy book my friends
 
Sandbar said:
If you had kids and they screwed up (sinned) would you throw them in a fire? The answer is NO. Why would god, who loves like no other do that?
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Justice, we have free will that much I believe therefore our actions must be answered for . Eternal punishment? I do not know but justice must be served, otherwise why does anything we do even matter? Why should I be a good person if I was say, the president. I have no one to answer too, all the power, why would I if I were Putin? Xi? I have no one to answer too. So why not do what I please?
 
Sandbar said:
As much as you guys talk about sheep and cults, you are a part of the biggest cult their is if you are honest about it. You worship (cult), you call yourselves a servant (cult) and if the sheep in front of you jumped into the fire because the holy book said to you would jump right behind them wouldn't you? I often wonder why god of the holy book doesn't ask any of you to stick a knife into your kid to prove loyalty anymore?

I think you are all awesome people but you need to read your own book and expand your mind beyond the days when the church you worship nailed people to crosses or burnt them because they had differing beliefs. We have advanced as a society in many ways but in many ways we haven't. Perfect example is playing out right in front of your eyes in Israel as we speak. Barbaric killing over dirt. We aren't going to learn to settle our differences like civilized people as long as the masses think it's ok to kill one another in war and war is straight out of the holy book my friends
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Well… the holy book told the Jews to go to palestine and told the Christian’s to support them now here we are…
 
LickWx said:
Justice, we have free will that much I believe therefore our actions must be answered for . Eternal punishment? I do not know but justice must be served, otherwise why does anything we do even matter? Why should I be a good person if I was say, the president. I have no one to answer too, all the power, why would I if I were Putin? Xi? I have no one to answer too. So why not do what I please?
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Ok so why is "justice" = to throwing someone in a fiery pit of hell? I will ask you again. Would you throw your child in a fire for punishment? The answer is a resounding no so why would an all loving god do that?

Your "justice" is coming back (reincarnation) to this hell on earth until you figure it out. As simple as it sounds you get to go back to kindergarten. If you notice the pattern keeps repeating itself
 
Bible - Thou shalt not kill

Same book - Yahweh commands Saul to kill every man, woman and child, even the livestock

This is a loving god? NO
Yahweh is NOT the god the created your soul
 
Sandbar said:
I disagree 1000% but's ok we all win in the end....That may upset you but that's life bud
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You may disagree but that doesn't make it so. I may disagree that 2+2=4 but that wouldn't make it so. You are free to believe whatever you want; so I am not upset at all.
Sandbar said:
If you read the post you will see the math analogy in there.......You can make this as complicated as you want bro but it isn't.

His post
There is such a thing as right and wrong. We cannot do a lot of science or any mathematics without it
My post
Equation #1 2+2 = 4
Equation #2 3+1 = 4

It make sense now?.....lol
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No it does not make sense. The only way you can know that

Equation #1 2+2 = 4
Equation #2 3+1 = 4

is if there is a "correct" answer to be found. If there is not a correct answer to be found; then 2+2 and 3+1 can equal anything anyone wants it to. There would be no "right" answer. But then we couldn't do mathematics. The fact that you recognize that both 2+2 and 3+1 equals 4 shows you know there is a correct answer to be found, and it is what it is... reality. If you want to say another guy can come along and insist that they can also equal another number; and that he can also be right, that is up to you. But I am not going go along with that illogical thinking.
 
Iceagewhereartthou said:
You may disagree but that doesn't make it so. I may disagree that 2+2=4 but that wouldn't make it so. You are free to believe whatever you want; so I am not upset at all.

No it does not make sense. The only way you can know that

Equation #1 2+2 = 4
Equation #2 3+1 = 4

is if there is a "correct" answer to be found. If there is not a correct answer to be found; then 2+2 and 3+1 can equal anything anyone wants it to. There would be no "right" answer. But then we couldn't do mathematics. The fact that you recognize that both 2+2 and 3+1 equals 4 shows you know there is a correct answer to be found, and it is what it is... reality. If you want to say another guy can come along and insist that they can also equal another number; and that he can also be right, that is up to you. But I am not going go along with that illogical thinking.
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This is making my old head hurt so let me try a simpler approach

You and I are going to a camp in the woods. we start at the same spot. You go one way I go another and we arrive at the same camp. We both accomplished our goal right? I hope this makes more sense? I don't care how you got there, only that you made it but people of religion don't seem to buy that there is any path other than their own for a person to take. In fact you can't even agree amongst your own religous brethren let alone someone who takes a personal journey of spirituality. In summary you have come to believe that you are the only ones who have the correct solution to the afterlife equation and that is dead wrong. In fact it's hateful to even suggest such a thing. If you don't feel that way I applaud you but that isn't what I see with the majority
 
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