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Misc 2021-22 Fall/Winter Whamby Thread

Theres also some healthy large sabal palms in knightdale that have been there since 2007. Those are pretty tall. I agree with you @Thor we are about as cold as they can handle without having to protect them every year. The hardiness maps have Raleigh as zone 7b with a mean min of 9 but they quote the 1976-2005 por which at this point is not only outdated but a bit colder than other pors. Id say 8A is probably truer now , even borderline 8B in the UHI of ITB of 440.
 
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Alright SD, I was happy for you last week but now I’ve got to do what I gotta do. I know you’re licking your chops right now.
 
Thor said:
They love it here in the summer but definitely have to bring in. View attachment 110654
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Citrus are a no go, they need zone 10 essentially. You could maybe scrape by on hatteras. Satsuma oranges are the most cold hardy , down to 8b but you probably wont ever get fruit off them outside of the uhi or wilmington because the fall freeze will hurt em. There is a hybrid citrus grapefruit plant you could try, its name slips my mind but it is hardy enough to produce fruit unprotected even in the piedmont.

Also, the citrus industry is booming in south georgia apparently with acreage of planted citrus swelling. Interesting and noteworthy but probably very susceptible.
 
blueheronNC said:
One of my neighbors has the palm varieties Lickwx mentions (sabal minor, windmill, needle palms), perhaps all from Gary’s. They also have a live oak that’s reaching significant size. All were planted back in 2008 and are still thriving.
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Live Oaks are no issue here, ive seen massive ones like you see downeast in all sorts of places from parking lots to office parks. Wish they were used more in the landscape. They last longer ( literally hundreds of year) than the willow oaks which have shallow roots and only last 80 years before toppling over on your house.
 
Back in the 80s the Florida panhandle used to have highs frequently in the teens during the winter, and snowstorms were common. You might recall Tallahassee picking up 17” of snow in March 1980 and Jacksonville getting hammered with 20-24” in December 1989, just to name a few. And then the 80s ended and it all changed….
 
Time for a stronger more west trend starting at 18z. Last weeks low was up and down with every model cycle and it wasnt till Friday afternoon when it all came together. 48 hours mens time for both good and bad nudges
 
This winter is better than some recent winters but aside from having 3 potential winter storms 3 weeks in a row it hasn't really been historic for the Raleigh area. RDU is still below climo snowfall, and our coldest low, 17°F, is still about 5°F above average for January. GSP and CLT have done significantly better. GSP/CLT also did better than RDU in 2012-13, 2015-16, and 2016-17 too.
 
CyclonicFury said:
This winter is better than some recent winters but aside from having 3 potential winter storms 3 weeks in a row it hasn't really been historic for the Raleigh area. RDU is still below climo snowfall, and our coldest low, 17°F, is still about 5°F above average for January. GSP and CLT have done significantly better. GSP/CLT also did better than RDU in 2012-13, 2015-16, and 2016-17 too.
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Yeah as cold as it has been we havent really had anything noteworthy. One subfreezing high at 30 which is the first in 3 years, 2 sub 40 highs which is behind how many we should have by now ( maybe its 3 now, not sure if we had more), and of course one night at 17 which is still higher than the 14 degree jan minimum avg and the annual min of 12. Honestly the snow has been the real story.
 
superjames1992 said:
Back in the 80s the Florida panhandle used to have highs frequently in the teens during the winter, and snowstorms were common. You might recall Tallahassee picking up 17” of snow in March 1980 and Jacksonville getting hammered with 20-24” in December 1989, just to name a few. And then the 80s ended and it all changed….
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The fact that they had those storms that recently would make me think they have a long time before a repeat. They were 1 in a 100 year storms? Maybe more?
 
Heelyes said:
The fact that they had those storms that recently would make me think they have a long time before a repeat. They were 1 in a 100 year storms? Maybe more?
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Sorry, my post is all sarcasm lol. I think the biggest storm Tallahassee has ever recorded was 2.X” back in 1899. I think they also got an inch or two in the 1950s. Their last measurable snow was in January 2018, when they got 0.1”. I lived there at the time! They’ve only recorded 5-10 measurable snowfalls all-time.
 
Lickwx said:
Yeah as cold as it has been we havent really had anything noteworthy. One subfreezing high at 30 which is the first in 3 years, 2 sub 40 highs which is behind how many we should have by now ( maybe its 3 now, not sure if we had more), and of course one night at 17 which is still higher than the 14 degree jan minimum avg and the annual min of 12. Honestly the snow has been the real story.
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Bunch of cry babies... We weren't supposed to get any snow at all this year... And most of us have seen a flake at least... It's been a great winter compared to the last three.
 
Thor said:
I've tried sabals twice and I'll get them going just fine but then lose them eventually, it's annoying I consider them to just be more sensitive in general. I'm in a bit of a valley and the cold settles down into it at times. Parents over in Archers lodge also lost theirs. I'd say we are the northern extent of their range without a lot of winter protection.
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I still Havnt figured out much up here in zone 5. But things must be hardy to zone 2/3 to survive in giant pots! Have a blue rug juniper ‘ motherlode’ in a pot, don’t know if it will survive! May just stick to summer annuals
 
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