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Misc 2021-22 Fall/Winter Whamby Thread
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LickWx
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I don’t think there’s enough oomph in the triangles growth rate to make Angier and Lillington look like Fuquay . They will grow alright but that level no. Harnett will be a largely exurban / suburban county as will Johnston and Chatham , though the areas bordering wake will be suburban more so.
LickWx
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Yes because moving closer is affordable . It’s the trap lol. This is how American style growth works . Everyone wants to live like a king but also somehow preserve open space , small town atmosphere , low traffic , low property tax rates and affordable housing . What people don’t understand is you can’t have all that , some areas have to densify while others must be protected . It’s the only way for it to be beneficial to us all. You have to give something up . You want affordable housing close to job centers ? Ok time to densify stop complaining boo hoo muh yard . Want more open space ? Ok then stop with the sprawl type development. Everyone wants all that but not in their backyard . If Raleigh was built like an old style north east city , or a European city , hell let’s not even go that dense just make it as dense as Long Island , it would cover half the area it does today.
NoSnowATL
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Find a way to make farming more profitable and/or make unused land make money. If people have it logged for $$ people complain about the trees being cut! Then they sell for mega $$ and everyone complains about sprawl.
LickWx
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What’s wrong with being passionate about something ? It’s always the most passionate who inflict change on society and draw the most ire for daring to raise their voice a little higher !
I moved to SE Wake out in the country in 2003. It's slowly turning into not country. I hate it. I am tired of all the people, all the waiting, all the long commutes, and all the busy-ness. I want to live in the country and not have to commute an hour into work.
LickWx
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SE Wake lost its country title a long time ago . I classify it as low density suburban now . Characterized by 2 lane roads crowded by large neighborhoods with homes on .5 acre lots . It’s faux country . The homes being spread out further apart gives the illusion it’s country . Only country area left in wake county is the block of land south of rolesville north of Zebulon , Hopkins nc being the center of that . Very pretty area . I’m lucky in that a lot of that land is owned by the county in preparation for a new water reservoir , so any development is discouraged as it is regulated by reservoir rules which discourage anything more than acre lots .
Nothing it's nice to see people passionate about things and stand up for what they believe in. Im just not sure you are passionate about a subject that's going to find a lot of support here
LickWx
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That's true now. When we moved here, it was farms and woods. Not anymore. Shopping centers, neighborhoods, all kinds of development. Roads haven't kept up.
LickWx
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Roads never keep up and never will catch up. You’ve been to Raleigh , does capital boulevard with all its lanes affectively move traffic ? Nope. 40 as wide as it is? 440? 70?It’s a lie , expanding the roads is never enough. We would have to expand roads a crap ton wider than what would be allowed . I’m talking 14 + lane highways . The solution is encouraging a completely different type of development and changing zoning laws to allow better development practices .
I don't think this cat that's roaming around my neighborhood is going to let me rub its belly
LickWx
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LickWx
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I’m a realist . We must use nature to elevate the human condition , but without abusing it . Logging is a net positive . Only time you see me against logging is in sensitive wetland areas or areas with important conservation importance . As for farmers , American farmers stopped making money decades ago. Most farmers LOSE money and are propped up by government subsidies . Only farms making money these days apart from niche organic lesbian farmers on the outskirts of towns like chapel hill are the big farming corps that own thousands of acres. Most farmed land is not farmed by the original owner but leased to someone else here in eastern wake .
LickWx
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Yessir
I don't know about 14+ but they never widen the roads enough for future growth. By the time they're done with any road project, it is good enough for 2 years ago.
LickWx
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Oh yeah . How about 20 lanes ? It just isn’t enough , not with the way our cities are developed . Austin Texas expanding a 12 lane highway to 20 because of traffic . LOL! Induced demand is the name of the phenomenon. Expanding the roads invites more worsening the traffic . It’s funny how our largest cities have the widest highways and still the worst traffic . Widening isn’t the anwser to traffic .
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What's Up With That: Building Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse
The concept is called induced demand, which is economist-speak for when increasing the supply of something (like roads) makes people want that thing even more. Though some traffic engineers made note of this phenomenon at least as early as the 1960s, it is only in recent years that social...
In 1932, an association representing streetcars warned that “as fast as improvements are made in existing arteries of travel … they are saturated by an increasing volume of traffic.”
which he memorably compared a highway planner widening a congested highway to “the tailor’s remedy for obesity — letting out the seams of trousers and loosening the belt. [T]his does nothing to curb the greedy appetites that have caused the fat to accumulate.”