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Misc Cold Season Complaining

olhausen said:
Didn’t have our first freeze till last night and we didn’t get any warnings here. I guess because it’s so late for a first freeze here they figure you should know better then to leave plants out at this point 😁
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Not sure about other areas but I know the Birmingham NWS office stops issuing frost / freeze advisories after 11/25 each year.
 
It’s impressive that we have legit cold (and early in the season) and we still can’t find a way to win. It really is impossible around here.
 
What doesn’t make sense to me is you can get lake effect snow in the feet from the Great Lakes but the Atlantic can’t squeeze out a flurry for the Carolinas despite warmer water
 
Stevo24 said:
Except I feel like I saw snow and ice a lot when I was a little kid in the 90s. Maybe it just felt like it was often because I was a kid.
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I mean I know it's been a rough couple years even out here with better climo but growing up in Alabama there were many years I never saw snow as a kid
 
Hopefully it's just what I said in here a few days ago... Too early in the season

It sucks to waste the pattern and even out here we had a shot and it fell apart but it's early
 
BirdManDoomW said:
What doesn’t make sense to me is you can get lake effect snow in the feet from the Great Lakes but the Atlantic can’t squeeze out a flurry for the Carolinas despite warmer water
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It's called lake effect for a reason

The Atlantic is too big and deep
 
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Brent said:
It's called lake effect for a reason

The Atlantic is too big and deep
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the office GIF
 
vtrap90 said:
When I lived in Boston, ocean effect snow happened a few times a year.
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It may have happened in Florida in 1899 too but yeah I guess it's never going to be a big widespread thing no matter what has to be a perfect setup to even get a flurry
 
Webberweather53 said:
Some quick long range pattern musings:

A large-scale pattern change is coming into view on the models later in week 2 into week 3. Our first wintry wx pattern window of the winter season will probably close at some point later in week 2 or so.

The Negative E Asia Mountain Torque event that's been advertised for a while now should force some retraction of the North Pacific Jet/damp the current jet extension later in week 2 & week 3.

Due to the higher-than-usual background +AAM in the mid-latitudes which should advect the Aleutian ridge downstream/eastward some into the Gulf of Alaska. I don't think we're going full boar classic La Niña/-PNA in general, but we're headed for something in between that & the pattern we've seen the first few weeks of December. Rockies & Upper Midwest/Great Plains would probably be the most favored for cold/snow as we get near and just past mid-December.

It usually takes ~2-3 weeks for a Mountain Torque event, the associated pattern change + response from global frictional torques & atmospheric angular momentum (AAM) to run its course.

I could see this pattern change that's coming generally stick into at least part of the Holidays, then the pattern we've seen the first few weeks of the month may try to re-emerge near the tail end of December &/or early January.

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So basically our short window for the season is almost over. Bring on spring. We all know we won’t get another favorable pattern after this.
 
Stevo24 said:
So basically our short window for the season is almost over. Bring on spring. We all know we won’t get another favorable pattern after this.
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Agreed...after taking this loss, the SER will dominate until spring, Winter in the South, you got to love it. lol :p
 
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