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Pattern December, Make analogs relevant again

SER gets slowly beaten back on the 12z eps . Pretty good wintry pattern for places like Texas, northern Louisiana, Arkansas into Missouri
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As of right this moment, I believe that if everything progresses the way it appears it will (strong negative EPO, MJO, etc.) that by the time we get to New Years a much colder pattern will have been or at least be in the process of developing for the eastern U.S. and the southeastern ridge will be beaten back. That's assuming we do move from Phase 7 to 8 and things develop on schedule (lots of assumptions). I think that JB is probably just jumping the gun by a week or so on the pattern. I've done some research on the MJO phases and RDU during winter months and am going to attempt to locate them too. Will be interested to see what you find too!

I agree with this. I never mind seeing a -EPO set up. The problem is, when you get heights lagging in the SW, you sort of have a tendency for heights to pump in the SE, and you end up with this large, positively tilted longwave trough, like what the GFS series is depicting. I have observed through the years that Bastardi tends to excuse the warm models too frequently, in favor of one or two favorable indexes that would otherwise point to a cold pattern (kind of like this -EPO/Phase 8 regime, which by the way is a combo I like fine). In this case, I do think we see a period of SE ridging and a warm up, with a battle zone that sets up through the heartland and moves east with time...ASSUMING the MJO Phase 8 modeling is correct. I think it will be, but I am more confident about the -EPO.

The thing with the EPO that is somewhat frustrating is that while it does a great job as a cold delivery mechanism into the US, as well as allowing a general build-up of very cold air in Canada, the cold shots are often directed toward the upper plains and into the NE. We often end up with in and out cold shots. So the bottom line is, where a -EPO is definitely good, we still need very good timing with any energy that swings by. Also, with the general PV in eastern Canada, you have a tendency to see the "Lakes Low" machine really go to work as energy rotates around the PV and swings across the northern tier.

Anyway, I think many are going to be happy with how the pattern evolves during the last week of December/early January, insomuch as it provides some cold weather, along with storm tracking opportunities for at least portions of the SE. And if we can add a west-based -NAO into the mix, the eye of the needle gets a good deal bigger.

Great to have you back, by the way!
 
you know as well as i do the battle ground will be in northern arkansas and the Missouri bootheel. always is
Yeah, that would be our luck. Hoping for a better outcome and this is still a good bit out so maybe it'll change for the better by go time.
 
SER gets slowly beaten back on the 12z eps . Pretty good wintry pattern for places like Texas, northern Louisiana, Arkansas into Missouri
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I was fine with just seeing some snow the last storm. But if places further south keep getting more winter storms than here that's going to get old quick.
 
By the way, let's not forget that even though the models are depicting of a prominent SE ridge occurring in the LR, that is by no means set in stone at this point. My guess is that we do get to it, but it's entirely possible that it's not as robust as it looks today, and it's also possible that it's entirely transitory.
 
I'm not feeling good for travel season for a lot of areas if the EPS above is close to correct. There's going to be a swath of ice through one of those areas, maybe Arkansas, areas of TN, Mizzou, idk.
 
Don’t really see a true mostly snow event out of this .. it’s ice ice baby to me.. classic ice storm setup. Think it may be best to be south of the boundary this time I pass. Loosing power for days sucks
 
Congrats Memphis
 
Here's some quick and dirty statistics on RDU average temp and snowfall in each of the DJF MJO phases. Certainly interesting that MJO 0.5 to 1.0 seems to be the coldest, while >1 (and I also checked >1.5) show a less cold and snowy signal at RDU.

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Awesome stuff! Also, it matches the general idea that I found when doing ATL for the month of January back to ~1975 that inside the circle (amp under 1) was colder than outside the circle for each and every of the 8 phases....I mean, for example, inside 1 colder than outside 1, inside 5 colder than outside 5, etc. Furthermore, MDA mets did their own study that had kind of similar results. Weak/inside circle or barely outside MJO, especially for the phases on the left side of the chart, is generally where I want to be for the best shot at sig and lengthy cold. It is far from end all be all just as is the case for any one index, but it is one of several indices I follow closely including PNA, AO, NAO, and EPO. Also, I've been following QBO more closely recently. For ATL in Jan, alone, I found the coldest to be phase 8 inside or just outside the COD followed by 7 inside followed by 1/2/3 inside (tied). Warmest by a good margin was 5 outside followed by 4 outside. Link to my MJO work for January back to 1975, including two illustrations, in SouthernWx blog:

http://blog.southernwx.com/2017/01/...phase-inside-the-left-side-of-circle-coldest/

Anyway, I'm still going to try to research the ultra -EPOs of the past to see just how cold and how reliable that cold was in the SE.
 
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I agree with this. I never mind seeing a -EPO set up. The problem is, when you get heights lagging in the SW, you sort of have a tendency for heights to pump in the SE, and you end up with this large, positively tilted longwave trough, like what the GFS series is depicting. I have observed through the years that Bastardi tends to excuse the warm models too frequently, in favor of one or two favorable indexes that would otherwise point to a cold pattern (kind of like this -EPO/Phase 8 regime, which by the way is a combo I like fine). In this case, I do think we see a period of SE ridging and a warm up, with a battle zone that sets up through the heartland and moves east with time...ASSUMING the MJO Phase 8 modeling is correct. I think it will be, but I am more confident about the -EPO.

The thing with the EPO that is somewhat frustrating is that while it does a great job as a cold delivery mechanism into the US, as well as allowing a general build-up of very cold air in Canada, the cold shots are often directed toward the upper plains and into the NE. We often end up with in and out cold shots. So the bottom line is, where a -EPO is definitely good, we still need very good timing with any energy that swings by. Also, with the general PV in eastern Canada, you have a tendency to see the "Lakes Low" machine really go to work as energy rotates around the PV and swings across the northern tier.

Anyway, I think many are going to be happy with how the pattern evolves during the last week of December/early January, insomuch as it provides some cold weather, along with storm tracking opportunities for at least portions of the SE. And if we can add a west-based -NAO into the mix, the eye of the needle gets a good deal bigger.

Great to have you back, by the way!

How do we know though that the establishment of the SE ridge on the ensembles are more related to the MJO progression and less to ENSO forcing? I'm not that familiar with MJO analogs. That's an interesting perspective and I hope that is the case.

I'll be content with a +PNA/-EPO and transient highs to our north if need be. I just don't want to lose that. I've given up on true west based -NAO. It's a myth, even when it's on the ensembles. It becomes a WAR and sticks it's tongue out at us while doing so.
 
We dont *know* that the SE ridge is showing up simply due to the MJO, but the lack of one up until the MJO has stengthened in Phase 7 certainly appears to be correlated with models picking up on it in about 7 days (typical response lag time for MJO forcing).

Great thanks! That would be welcome relief if that is the case to move forward into phase 8.
 
Not saying much about 18z gfs, but this run was little better than 12z. I bet theres gonna be more gefs memebers further east with some hits this run. My bet, good chuck of MS.
 
Don't forget we always have the 18Z Happy Hour "We toss" mulligan if we need it thank goodness! And then if it is good, we don't toss.
lol.... Still don't think it's right, but that 12z run made me sick to my stomach.
 
the 18z GFS valid on 12/25 has 70 degrees in central alabama and 9 degrees in central missouri. Should that verify (it probably wont), there's gonna be some fireworks somewhere in between those places.
 
As long as the mjo proceeds into phase 8 and the trough comes back east by first week in January, I'm fine. I'll gladly sacrifice the rest of non-climo December if we can get a nice -epo/+pna combo in January when it really starts to count. By that time hopefully we'll start to see potent high pressures coming out of Canada and moving to our northeast. Come on mjo, run the show!
 
the 18z GFS valid on 12/25 has 70 degrees in central alabama and 9 degrees in central missouri. Should that verify (it probably wont), there's gonna be some fireworks somewhere in between those places.
18z has been throwing a sever look the 23-25 December time frame just about every run... I know it s the 18Z but it may very well be on to something.. Today's looks the worst threat wise for most of the SE.
 
I've seen people reporting snow and sleet in Durham and Creedmoor.

Also, wasn't it last winter when the models kept showing these big warmups 10 to 14 days out only to back off down the road?

Just a couple days they were showing us in the freezer at the Christmas. I just don't freak out over anything past 7 days when things change all the times with the models and things can change quickly here in winter. We've had 70 one day and snow in the same week here before. It was like that right before the big Jan 2000 storm.
 
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