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SimeonNC said:
Am I allowed to say that I'm disappointed that I'm beginning to see a lot of pro-Russian/Russian apologist sentiment on social media? Sorry if that is too political.
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It's a natural reaction to the erosion of trust in western political leaders and media, who have proven themselves to be more than untrustworthy.

War is brutal. I wonder what an objective person would say if WWI, WWIi, the Vietnam War, etc. would have been televised, like this one.

We are pretty much seeing only one side of the story with this current war. And it's brought to you by the same institutions that have not been very dependable or trustworthy when it comes to enhancing our prosperity or furthering truth.

I'm certainly not saying the Russians are good and right, but as a society in general, we have a tendency to rely on what is presented to us rather than thinking objectively about anything.

It's not that people are inherently pro-Russian. It's mostly that they don't trust the entirety of the narrative we're being fed with all of this.
 
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Rain Cold said:
It's a natural reaction to the erosion of trust in western political leaders and media, who have proven themselves to be more than untrustworthy.

War is brutal. I wonder what an objective person would say if WWI, WWIi, the Vietnam War, etc. would have been televised, like this one.

We are pretty much seeing only one side of the story with this current war. And it's brought to you by the same institutions that have not been very dependable or trustworthy when it comes to enhancing our prosperity or furthering truth.

I'm certainly not saying the Russians is good and right, but as a society in general, we have a tendency to rely on what is presented to us rather than think objectively about anything.

It's not that people are inherently pro-Russian. It's mostly that they don't trust the entirety of the narrative we're being fed with all of this.
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A big problem is the vast amount of fake news circulating on the internet from non credible sources. That causes confusion and makes it difficult for someone to know what to believe.
 
superjames1992 said:
Uh oh…this wouldn’t be good. I don’t know why we’re calling it a no fly zone, anyways. It’s going to war with Russia, that’s what it is.
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We are desperately wanting to go to war with Russia. I'm not sure why but it's going to be bad for all of us.
 
superjames1992 said:
Uh oh…this wouldn’t be good. I don’t know why we’re calling it a no fly zone, anyways. It’s going to war with Russia, that’s what it is.
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Yeah I mean I'm no expert on this topic but, in order to enforce a no-fly zone you must target planes that enter said zone.
 
Rain Cold said:
We are desperately wanting to go to war with Russia. I'm not sure why but it's going to be bad for all of us.
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$$$$$$. Someone is sitting on the sidelines right now anxious to count some dollars. We have more pressing matters at home that are more relevant to our national security than preoccupying ourselves in another war that benefits the few and depletes the many...
 
Rain Cold said:
We are desperately wanting to go to war with Russia. I'm not sure why but it's going to be bad for all of us.
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Obviously those making decisions that will lead to war have no earthly idea what lobbing a bunch of nukes will do, they're worried about environmental issues now, just wait
 
metwannabe said:
Obviously those making decisions that will lead to war have no earthly idea what lobbing a bunch of nukes will do, they're worried about environmental issues now, just wait
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There are many ways to have a Nuclear emergency even without bombs, just getting the power shut off to active plants could potentially do it. You look at Ukraine and all the buildings that will need rebuilt, Roads, infrastructure. Oil and metal into the environment. I mean that will be in the soil forever. It just seems ludicrous to be choosing now as the time to stand up for planet earth and go green. Wouldn't having as minimized a war possible be the best thing we can actually do for the environment?
 
SimeonNC said:
Am I allowed to say that I'm disappointed that I'm beginning to see a lot of pro-Russian/Russian apologist sentiment on social media? Sorry if that is too political.
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Are you seeing many reports of Ukrainian military loses or only those inflicted on civilians? To be sure they have lost a few battles.
 
Doubt a no fly zone is gonna happen, there have been tons of people calling for one and still hasn’t happened. It genuinely would be pointless because it would just cause much more issues than it solves. I’ve also seen zero information that tweet was based on.
 
metwannabe said:
Not sure of the details but let's see how this plays out

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This is quite terrible policy. Like who are these 27 foreign policy leaders? Do they not know or understand that a no fly Zone would mean the US/NATO would have to shoot down Russians planes,which would trigger a milliary response from Russia,which mean this becomes WW3. I fully support Ukraine and their fight against Russia don't get me wrong,but what they are calling for is WW3. Even major warmongers like Marco Rubio is against setting up a no Fly Zone.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
I'm not seeing a lot of online chatter or smoke about the 'limited' no fly zone mentioned earlier, which makes me skeptical of how seriously it's being considered at the moment.
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Yeah, here is the actual report from Politico, it has more info and obviously nothing that will lead to the no-fly zone. The Kyiv Independent was misleading in their tweet and most likely because this is something they want. These aren't senate or house members or cabinet members, influential persons no doubt, but this letter will not change the stance at this time.

https://www.politico.com/newsletter...ins-steam-among-foreign-policy-elite-00015004
 
Faco Thomas said:
This is quite terrible policy. Like who are these 27 foreign policy leaders? Do they not know or understand that a no fly Zone would mean the US/NATO would have to shoot down Russians planes,which would trigger a milliary response from Russia,which mean this becomes WW3. I fully support Ukraine and their fight against Russia don't get me wrong,but what they are calling for is WW3. Even major warmongers like Marco Rubio is against setting up a no Fly Zone.
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I assume those people have no say if it happens or not.
 
Faco Thomas said:
This is quite terrible policy. Like who are these 27 foreign policy leaders? Do they not know or understand that a no fly Zone would mean the US/NATO would have to shoot down Russians planes,which would trigger a milliary response from Russia,which mean this becomes WW3. I fully support Ukraine and their fight against Russia don't get me wrong,but what they are calling for is WW3. Even major warmongers like Marco Rubio is against setting up a no Fly Zone.
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Posted a link to the article that list those that signed the letter, not anyone that is going to change the policy
 
metwannabe said:
Yeah, here is the actual report from Politico, it has more info and obviously nothing that will lead to the no-fly zone. The Kyiv Independent was misleading in their tweet and most likely because this is something they want. These aren't senate or house members or cabinet members, influential persons no doubt, but this letter will not change the stance at this time.

https://www.politico.com/newsletter...ins-steam-among-foreign-policy-elite-00015004
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Gotcha—yea on the surface that looks like an attempt to influence the decision makers.
 
Faco Thomas said:
This is quite terrible policy. Like who are these 27 foreign policy leaders? Do they not know or understand that a no fly Zone would mean the US/NATO would have to shoot down Russians planes,which would trigger a milliary response from Russia,which mean this becomes WW3. I fully support Ukraine and their fight against Russia don't get me wrong,but what they are calling for is WW3. Even major warmongers like Marco Rubio is against setting up a no Fly Zone.
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Nobody wants WW3 but just imagine if good nations never drew a line in the sand in the 1940s? How many dead Jews is too many? How many dead Ukranians are too many? What good is it to stand for the good of humanity if you never confront those doing inhumanity to others?

These are all.tough questions to answer on a geopolitical scale
 
Someone will likely share an article about this before long, but Putin just signed an order banning all exports of Russian "raw materials" through the end of the year. This could lead to Russia cutting off gas/LNG supplies to Europe, but that move is probably at the risk of accelerating a collapse of the Russian economy.
 
Shaggy said:
Nobody wants WW3 but just imagine if good nations never drew a line in the sand in the 1940s? How many dead Jews is too many? How many dead Ukranians are too many? What good is it to stand for the good of humanity if you never confront those doing inhumanity to others?

These are all.tough questions to answer on a geopolitical scale
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When I was in the service, someone gave me the book "Tonight We Die As Men", about Robert Lee Wolverton and the 3rd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment when they were jumping into Normandy during D-Day. Colonel Wolverton ended up dying in Normandy but his quote to his men prior to boarding a plane in the UK, always puts a lump in my throat and summarizes my ethos as an American:

"God almighty, in a few short hours we will be in battle with the enemy. We do not join battle afraid. We do not ask favors or indulgence but ask that, if You will, use us as Your instrument for the right and an aid in returning peace to the world.

We do not know or seek what our fate will be. We ask only this, that if die we must, that we die as men would die, without complaining, without pleading and safe in the feeling that we have done our best for what we believed was right."

I am in no way advocating for us to escalate this conflict into a full blown world war, but rather stand up for what we believe to be right. War crimes being committed while women, children, the elderly are purposefully targeted in frustration killings, is a line we should all draw, the consequences be damned. If we can't stand for that, then we'll stand for nothing, and building the greatest military force the world has ever seen was all for not.

That's just my opinion, albeit maybe not popular.
 
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Just a question for anyone who may know. What will happen when Russias economy completely defaults and shatters? What will be the impact to Russia and to the rest of the world?


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Jessy89 said:
Just a question for anyone who may know. What will happen when Russias economy completely defaults and shatters? What will be the impact to Russia and to the rest of the world?


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North Korea rings a bell. The people will suffer but the ones in power will not.
 
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