Evidently it’s really hard to get tested now, too. I’m keeping an eye on deaths by all causes to see if the virus is really getting less lethal and more contagious/prevalent in the envrionment. If it is highly distributed now, masks may be of little use as other vectors are much more effective at transmission (touch-for instance).
Indecent exposure is what pretty much dictates you must wear clothes. No shirt no shoes no business is a thing for businesses as well. On your own property do whatever as long as you're not running around in sight of people naked. This is a good way for how the masks should work. If you're around a lot of people wear a mask. If you're at home you don't need to. Do it for both yourself and others. Nobody wants to see people naked as much as people don't want the virus. People also don't want to be naked in public as much as they don't want the virus.
I actually don't disagree with you, is there a saturation point where it becomes impossible to avoid the virus even with a mask?
Gotcha. Didn't realize government mandates = communism.
Exactly, so no need to mandate clothing.
I think he's in favor of freedom and limited government, not anarchy, though there must be a balance. Anarchy is liberty taken to the extreme and is totally unsustainable if civilizations are to exist. The question is if masks will actually do anything to limit hospital over utilization due to Covid. Stopping the spread was changing the goal posts and government over-reach. You can't put the genie back in the bottle and it's ok if healthy people encounter the virus. A virus mitigation strategy should be focused on personal choice, tailored by individual responsibility and needs, not communal directives - hence the "communism" aspect.
Yes, but look at deaths not cases. Cases mean very little if people aren't dying from the disease. You're just tracking a common cold at that point. How can we know if the virus is much less lethal and can be treated as typical flu/cold viruses? I say infection death rate is more important to determine this.
When you bring up this cold hard fact, the rebuttal of mask nazis say “just wear the mask it’s not that hard.” The reality is that masks aren’t helping whatsoever.
Wear a mask ?
You believe 100% of California residents are complying with this?
Mask mandates only work with compliance from citizens otherwise it's pissing in the wind.
How do you know it wouldn't be worse right now if they didn't wear masks? Were you wearing a mask when you got infected or when you gave it to father
From the high level sure, at a granular level I think we have polar opposite stances and opinions
Low blow. We work together. We are together 5 days a week out of town. Who knows who got it first.
It's not a low blow it's a serious question. Happy birthday
But were the patrons of the restaurant wearing masks?
Well mask mandates don't do squat in California. That's some good proof right there. Of course some people might say it would have been worse if there was no mandate but you can't prove it. It certainly did not contain it. CDC liars are trying to say if we all wear masks the virus would be contained in 4 to 6 weeks. NOPE!
I've got co-workers that wear PPE all the time, tested positive... I also think it's foolish to say for sure where someone contracted the virus. I hear people say, this person gave it to him/her or he/she got if from so and so, reality is, no one knows for sure where in the world they got it. Just ask my co-workers who were denied workers comp because "they were unable to verify with 100% certainty that they contracted the virus at work"
Yea the workplace handbook will be a little bigger next year.
