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Jon said:
You can do that through vaccination. Herd immunity through normal virus exposure will take years. They say sometimes neutralizing antibodies aren’t even generated at a significant level and antibody protection could only last a few months. That’s not worth killing millions. Vaccine is literally the only way.
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What are your thoughts concerning the Tcell studies like this one?

www.sciencemag.org

T cells found in COVID-19 patients ‘bode well’ for long-term immunity

New findings suggest past infections may offer some protection against the novel coronavirus
www.sciencemag.org www.sciencemag.org

Also mentioned here.

www.google.com

You May Have Antibodies After Coronavirus Infection. But Not for Long. (Published 2020)

Antibodies to the virus faded quickly in asymptomatic people, scientists reported. That does not mean immunity disappears.
www.google.com www.google.com
 
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NEWSJUNE 22, 2020

Coronavirus has significantly weakened, could disappear without vaccine, top doctor reveals
'It was like an aggressive tiger in March and April but now it's like a wild cat'

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The coronavirus has significantly weakened and could even disappear on its own, according to a top Italian doctor.

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Dr. Matteo Bassetti, the head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital, said in an interview Sunday that COVID-19 patients who would have died two or three months ago are now recovering.
"The clinical impression I have is that the virus is changing in severity," Bassetti told the Telegraph UK.
"In March and early April the patterns were completely different. People were coming to the emergency department with a very difficult to manage illness and they needed oxygen and ventilation, some developed pneumonia," he explained. "Now, in the past four weeks, the picture has completely changed in terms of


Bassetti attributed the strength differences to potential genetic mutations, which are common for viruses. He explained that increased scientific understanding about the virus has also aided efforts to mitigate its impact.



"It was like an aggressive tiger in March and April but now it's like a wild cat," Bassetti said. "Even elderly patients, aged 80 or 90, are now sitting up in bed and they are breathing without help. The same patients would have died in two or three days before."
"I think the virus has mutated because our immune system reacts to the virus and we have a lower viral load now due to the lockdown, mask-wearing, social distancing," he explained.
In fact, Bassetti said COVID-19 may disappear even without a vaccine.
"Yes, probably it could go away completely without a vaccine. We have fewer and fewer people infected and it could end up with the virus dying out," he told the Telegraph.
Coronavirus cases worldwide continue to climb, an increase that is attributed to widespread testing. However, hospitalizations and deaths are generally decreasing, with the exception of Latin and South America, where Brazil and Mexico have seen COVID-related deaths skyrocket.
Mexico, for example, reported more than 1,000 new COVID-19 deaths on Monday.
According to former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, the increase in positive cases can be attributed to younger people taking more risks when venturing outside, while medically vulnerable and elderly people are better protecting themselves.
 
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NEWSJUNE 22, 2020

Coronavirus has significantly weakened, could disappear without vaccine, top doctor reveals
'It was like an aggressive tiger in March and April but now it's like a wild cat'

Jane Barlow - WPA Pool/Getty Images
CHRIS ENLOE

The coronavirus has significantly weakened and could even disappear on its own, according to a top Italian doctor.

Ditch the fake news ==> Click here to get news you can trust sent right to your inbox. It's free!

Dr. Matteo Bassetti, the head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital, said in an interview Sunday that COVID-19 patients who would have died two or three months ago are now recovering.
"The clinical impression I have is that the virus is changing in severity," Bassetti told the Telegraph UK.
"In March and early April the patterns were completely different. People were coming to the emergency department with a very difficult to manage illness and they needed oxygen and ventilation, some developed pneumonia," he explained. "Now, in the past four weeks, the picture has completely changed in terms of


Bassetti attributed the strength differences to potential genetic mutations, which are common for viruses. He explained that increased scientific understanding about the virus has also aided efforts to mitigate its impact.



"It was like an aggressive tiger in March and April but now it's like a wild cat," Bassetti said. "Even elderly patients, aged 80 or 90, are now sitting up in bed and they are breathing without help. The same patients would have died in two or three days before."
"I think the virus has mutated because our immune system reacts to the virus and we have a lower viral load now due to the lockdown, mask-wearing, social distancing," he explained.
In fact, Bassetti said COVID-19 may disappear even without a vaccine.
"Yes, probably it could go away completely without a vaccine. We have fewer and fewer people infected and it could end up with the virus dying out," he told the Telegraph.
Coronavirus cases worldwide continue to climb, an increase that is attributed to widespread testing. However, hospitalizations and deaths are generally decreasing, with the exception of Latin and South America, where Brazil and Mexico have seen COVID-related deaths skyrocket.
Mexico, for example, reported more than 1,000 new COVID-19 deaths on Monday.
According to former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, the increase in positive cases can be attributed to younger people taking more risks when venturing outside, while medically vulnerable and elderly people are better protecting themselves.
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Thank you for totally including an entire article I totally read and an ad I didn't ask for. Can't you just post links and your own take instead of copy-pasting.
 
There's a huge rise in cases in major cities of Texas, California, and Arizona. Florida usually has lower numbers on Monday, so we'll see the state of Orlando, Miami, and Tampa Bay tomorrow. The mostly suburban nature of Broward County is slowing down the spread in Ft. Lauderdale and Hollywood. I never had any doubts that urban areas would be hit the hardest. The natural issues of cities (i.e. public transportation and gathering centers) is clearly being compounded by the behavior of young adults, which is evidenced by the new cases skewing younger in the states with significant spikes. I am finding some correlation between areas with large protests and more significant spikes in Covid cases, but will need more information before make a definite conclusion as there are some discrepencies.
www.texastribune.org

Texas is heading down a dangerous path, local leaders warn as coronavirus cases and hospitalizations surge

When Gov. Greg Abbott let businesses start reopening, he pointed to two metrics as encouraging signs: the hospitalization rate and the infection rate. Both of those metrics are on the rise in Texas.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org

For example, Houston had some of the largest protests in Texas of an estimated 60,000 people, as this was the childhood home of George Floyd. Dallas had smaller protests, and it a lot less congested than Houston. Houston, Texas has been leading the Texas Covid-19 surge, reporting 1,789 cases today. The total cases today for Dallas County was 454 - a record for the county.
www.khou.com

‘We are moving in the wrong direction’ | Houston sees a 'significant' increase in COVID-19 cases in June

On Monday, the Houston Health Department reported 1,789 more cases, which includes a large data feed from Texas DSHS that date back from June 9.
www.khou.com www.khou.com

Evidence from Minnesota suggests that the Minneapolis protests did not correspond to a rise in cases. 8 thousand protestors were tested after the demonstrations, and only 1.4% of protestors were positive according to one source. 1.8% were positive of the 3,500 protestors tested by the Mayo Clinic. The problem with taking these numbers at face value is that the low numbers, particularly 1.4%, is that the tests were done on June 9-10, and positive test results can delayed several days after symptoms arise. People have had symptoms for over week without testing positive. This is the reason individuals are advised to quarantine for 14 days (whether or not they test positive) after making contact with someone that has had Covid-19.

In addition to Minnesota, I think the numbers coming out of NYC will be interesting this week. They had protests in similar in size to Dallas in Manhattan, Queens, Kings and Bronx counties. The largest one of 14,000 occurred last week.
en.wikipedia.org

George Floyd protests in New York City - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
Snowfan said:
Mexico reports 4,577 new cases and 759 new deaths.
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That's a really bad number for a Monday, and they also had 1,044 deaths on Sunday.

I think all the people expressing relief over a few weeks of lower daily death tolls are celebrating prematurely. I've noticed that deaths can lag behind confirmed cases, especially in countries with less efficient data-collection. India is one of those countries that releases data in a sporadic manner. They reported 2,000 deaths on June 16 (1,700 more than average), and Brazil seems dumped out 55,000 cases on June 19 (25,000 more than an average and 18,000 more than their highest day). We are likely to see some pretty big daily death counts this week given some of the information on increased confirmed cases we saw last week in Central and South America, as well as Southeast Asia.
 
Lol. You can’t tell me those who looted Target there all got tested lol. Protestors, get tested, by the very very few in scope. Mostly mayors, governors, who attend are offered free tests and others who begged to come in to get tested.
 
BirdManDoomW said:
Lol. You can’t tell me those who looted Target there all got tested lol. Protestors, get tested, by the very very few in scope. Mostly mayors, governors, who attend are offered free tests and others who begged to come in to get tested.
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That's a good point. I'm just going off the data that's available to me. There isn't going to be a data set that differentiates between violent looters and peaceful demonstrators, and I don't think anyone that engaged in criminal activity would want to identify that information.

Anyway, testing was so soon after (or concurrent to) the protests that the results are extremely likely to have a negative bias. People don't immediately test positive for Covid-19 after contacting someone else infected with the virus. It takes time before the infection manifests.
 
Interesting. The case graph of Sweden is matching up well with what is happening in AL, TX, and FL. Looks like two distinct waves, the first with by far the most deaths and the second with far more cases but deaths per day continue to drop probably in relation to the age of the populace being infected(old to young) Sweden’s cases have fallen off a cliff in the past few days. Will be interesting if these other areas do too. AL’s daily cases have dropped significantly since the big surge two weeks ago.
 
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Interesting. The case graph of Sweden is matching up well with what is happening in AL, TX, and FL. Looks like two distinct waves, the first with by far the most deaths and the second with far more cases but deaths per day continue to drop probably in relation to the age of the populace being infected(old to young) Sweden’s cases have fallen off a cliff in the past few days. Will be interesting if these other areas do too. AL’s daily cases have dropped significantly since the big surge two weeks ago.
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Are you sure it's two distinct waves? It seems to me like Sweden is still being impacted by the first wave, which is manifesting in increased confirmed cases and lower deaths similar to the Spanish Flu in the Summer of 1918.

Based on a decent amount of historical data, areas located in the mid-latitudes do better when viruses peak in the summer months. Areas that were hit with the brunt of the Spanish Flu in the summer of 1918 weren't subject to the significantly more lethal wave seen in the fall of 1918. This is in contrast to other areas that felt the brunt of the first wave in Spring (New York City). Instead, Scandinavian countries saw high rates of infection in June and July, which resulted in a high rate of infection, but significantly lower mortality rate, as well as a greater resistance to the virus in the fall and winter. The theory is that the summer months create conditions conducive for fighting viruses in the mid and Northern Latitudes.
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Tornadocane said:
Are you sure it's two distinct waves? It seems to me like Sweden is still being impacted by the first wave, which is manifesting in increased confirmed cases and lower deaths similar to the Spanish Flu in the Summer of 1918.

Based on a decent amount of historical data, areas located in the mid-latitudes do better when viruses peak in the summer months. Areas that were hit with the brunt of the Spanish Flu in the summer of 1918 weren't subject to the significantly more lethal wave seen in the fall of 1918. This is in contrast to other areas that felt the brunt of the first wave in Spring (New York City). Instead, Scandinavian countries saw high rates of infection in June and July, which resulted in a high rate of infection, but significantly lower mortality rate, as well as a greater resistance to the virus in the fall and winter. The theory is that the summer months create conditions conducive for fighting viruses in the mid and Northern Latitudes.
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Wave wasn’t the best choice of word, as related to viruses. I should have been more clear. I meant more of as waves of cases, related to who is being exposed.
 
The #1 ranked man in pro tennis, Novak Djokovic, has COVID. But he’s obviously young and fit. So, he should be ok.
 
Not sure if other states have started back with high school athletic practices, but in Alabama it started the first Monday in June. Several programs started the 2nd Monday and have already canceled practices due to positive tests. My town didn't even make it 2 weeks until shutting down until after the 4th. We have 2 positive athletes but the school says they are asymptomatic and did not contract it at practice. So here we go 2 weeks 2 weeks off and it's just getting started
 
North Carolinians are trending on Twitter. Can't be good, can it? We also jumped to over 900 hospitalizations today.
 
Here's today's GA update:


GA reported changes in 24 hour increments ending on Fri 6/12 through Tue 6/23: chart looks good on my PC but jumbled on my Iphone

Date...……...…….. Fri 6/12..Sat 6/13..Sun 6/14..Mon 6/15..Tue 6/16..Wed 6/17..Thu 6/18..Fri 6/19..Sat 6/20..Sun 6/21..Mon 6/22.Tue 6/23
Tests (nonantibody) 7,493.......13,254...…...16,286....10,089...……...4,218...……..15,450...…….12,696...…..6,556.......24,613......9,719.......9,719............23,235
Cases...…….……………....810...…….1,018...………..880...…….733...………...664...…………..952...………….882...…..1,097.........1,800..........892.......1,227..............1,750
Hospitalizations.……..108...…....…...43.........……..24...…......74...………….132...………….….89...…………120...……..109...............65................27...............89..............170
ICU...………………………...15...……..…….8...…………….5...………..9...…………...22...………….….19...…………...25...……….13...............18..................4...............11.................19
Deaths...……………...……43......…..…...28...…...……….5...……...43......……......35......……….….46...…………..30...……….31..................6...................1.................5..................40
 
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Denver Nuggets star Nikola Jokic has tested positive for COVID-19.https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nuggets-nikola-jokic-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-serbia-awaits-clearance-to-united-states-per/?fbclid=IwAR2Rkk4AtIkcuIWMX-BceF3oj6XhdsDg4rozOJWGJwWk-FF4jkmjpw_09Ig
 
Snowfan said:
Denver Nuggets star Nikola Jokic has tested positive for COVID-19.https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nuggets-nikola-jokic-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-serbia-awaits-clearance-to-united-states-per/?fbclid=IwAR2Rkk4AtIkcuIWMX-BceF3oj6XhdsDg4rozOJWGJwWk-FF4jkmjpw_09Ig
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Dang, I hope he is able to recover before the season starts back up. He’s one of the best players on the league.
 
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The number of US deaths today is higher than last Tuesday. Last Tuesday: 848. Today: 856.
 
Shaggy said:
Now numerous posters here said Texas early opening was the greatest thing and laughed at those of us saying tread carefully on the reopen.
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We've been open since early May I think the increase is more due to the protests
 
Arcc said:
What are your thoughts concerning the Tcell studies like this one?

www.sciencemag.org

T cells found in COVID-19 patients ‘bode well’ for long-term immunity

New findings suggest past infections may offer some protection against the novel coronavirus
www.sciencemag.org www.sciencemag.org

Also mentioned here.

www.google.com

You May Have Antibodies After Coronavirus Infection. But Not for Long. (Published 2020)

Antibodies to the virus faded quickly in asymptomatic people, scientists reported. That does not mean immunity disappears.
www.google.com www.google.com
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Interesting! I haven’t heard of such good data regarding T Cells. That’s great news. I remember a bit of this from my immunology course in pharmacy school, a little science heavy but here’s a good vid on the different types with the first 2 minutes being relevant.

Not all antibodies are created equal so it’s important and encouraging that we’re finding cytotoxic T cells and helper T cells that recognize the virus proteins.


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I think COVID is going to cause a big issue for athletes and the public in general in the say of chronic fatigue syndrome. The only person I know recovered is experiencing the same thing...and with that said, given the number of infections in the country I think this will be talked about for a long time.

My experience:

I’m extremely fatigued and it’s over 2 months since my Covid-19 symptom onset and about 2 months since I recovered. This isn’t just normal fatigue, this is relentless. I pound caffeine, the equivalent to 6 cups of coffee a day (I normally only have 2) and I can still fall asleep and yawn constantly. I’m so damn tired. My joints hurt and i haven’t gained my weight back that I lost, I sleep 6-7 hours a night but I always tend to wake up randomly throughout the night and never feel rested like I used to. I feel myself pushing myself off the couch or chair, like I’m giving myself a boost because my joints are weak and I’m that tired. I fall asleep on the couch often before 9pm.

I did some research and there are numerous articles on COVID recovery and “post-viral fatigue syndrome” and maybe even leading to something called “myalgic encephalomyelitis”


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Anyway just wanted to share another thing we should be worried about and maybe motivate folks to wear a mask, unless you want to be chronically tired for months! Spoiler alert: It sucks!!!!
 
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Brent said:
We've been open since early May I think the increase is more due to the protests
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Not that it's great that anybody is getting sick (at any point, really), but there is a connection here. Houston is your worst hit part of Texas. They had the most George Floyd protests in the state I'm assuming because of where Floyd was from and that big funeral close to a couple weeks ago. Coincidence? Not sure that it is given that it seems as if you can start getting the virus 5 days after exposure.

There are also apparently people that are crossing the US/Mexico border to Arizona and Texas in some areas to get care for COVID because of Mexico's healthcare sucking and apparently those cases get counted as cases for the state (not illegal I don't think, think it's mainly people that can live in the US but choose to not live in the US for whatever reason normally).

I've held this back but here goes: if California, after shutting down very early, winds up going down Italy/NYC way after they loosened restrictions, that shows that some areas and people were just very, very screwed period for 2020. And it's not looking good here.
 
Jon said:
Interesting! I haven’t heard of such good data regarding T Cells. That’s great news. I remember a bit of this from my immunology course in pharmacy school, a little science heavy but here’s a good vid on the different types with the first 2 minutes being relevant.

Not all antibodies are created equal so it’s important and encouraging that we’re finding cytotoxic T cells and helper T cells that recognize the virus proteins.


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Very interesting video! I know now what to blame for my allergies. Haha.
 
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I think COVID is going to cause a big issue for athletes and the public in general in the say of chronic fatigue syndrome. The only person I know recovered is experiencing the same thing...and with that said, given the number of infections in the country I think this will be talked about for a long time.

My experience:

I’m extremely fatigued and it’s over 2 months since my Covid-19 symptom onset and about 2 months since I recovered. This isn’t just normal fatigue, this is relentless. I pound caffeine, the equivalent to 6 cups of coffee a day (I normally only have 2) and I can still fall asleep and yawn constantly. I’m so damn tired. My joints hurt and i haven’t gained my weight back that I lost, I sleep 6-7 hours a night but I always tend to wake up randomly throughout the night and never feel rested like I used to. I feel myself pushing myself off the couch or chair, like I’m giving myself a boost because my joints are weak and I’m that tired. I fall asleep on the couch often before 9pm.

I did some research and there are numerous articles on COVID recovery and “post-viral fatigue syndrome” and maybe even leading to something called “myalgic encephalomyelitis”


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www.google.com

Anyway just wanted to share another thing we should be worried about and maybe motivate folks to wear a mask, unless you want to be chronically tired for months! Spoiler alert: It sucks!!!!
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Unfortunately, that's the same sort of thing I've heard from others I've known to have it. Which is a huge reason why I don't want to catch this thing. Hope thigns get better for you soon.
 
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We've been open since early May I think the increase is more due to the protests
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According to Oklahoma health folks that have been doing a lot of contact tracing, no.

Here are the places they have found the most transmission from.

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Here's what they go on to say:

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