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Ida has a interesting take on the invasion
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U.S. delegation arrives in Taiwan as China denounces visit

A delegation of former senior U.S. defence and security officials sent by President Joe Biden arrived in Taipei on Tuesday on a visit denounced by China and happening in the midst of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
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"If United States is trying to threaten and pressure China with this then we need to tell them that in the face of the Great Wall of steel forged by 1.4 billion Chinese people, any military deterrence is but scrap metal,"
 



This is such a disaster. Terrible messaging. I don’t blame these countries for not wanting to give up their fighters when the Russian Bear might turn towards them after Ukraine.
 
All this chatter about supplying weapons and planes is way too public anyway....talk about a target. Hopefully things are just provided a bit more behind the scenes from this point forward. Countries are acting like they haven't been at war in a long time.....which is accurate in many cases.
 
superjames1992 said:



This is such a disaster. Terrible messaging. I don’t blame these countries for not wanting to give up their fighters when the Russian Bear might turn towards them after Ukraine.
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It's an easy decision for them when they have NATO backup if Putin looses another screw.......This region is going to be on pins and needles for a very long time. I hope they takes these things into consideration
 
Ukraine about to be dog meat sadly. At least they lasted this long but dragging this out will ultimately lead to more of their families getting killed. No win solution for Ukraine.
 
I bet all these countries being so scared to help is giving Putin such confidence in himself. I mean the dude probably feels like he's a force to be reckoned with.
 
severestorm said:
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Puttin used nuclear energy to power Russia and because of Europes make beleive world of renewable is all you need, owns Europe through NG and Oil exports and built himself back up.
You would never have powered the industrial reveloution off renewable energy. Not then and not 200 years from now. Nuclear,NG,Oil is the only way forward. Use renewables to supplement- great.
But its a house of lies to do as Germany just did and think your gonna renewable,Green deal your way out of the growing energy crisis.
USA has over 400 less drills operating than they did just less than 18 months ago. USA needs to stop and pivot 180 degrees back in the direction it was going.
Pray this unfortunate reality check is a wake up call for the west. Until we cut off Russia spiggot, hes just gonna keep on keeping on.
 
Johnkittz said:
I bet all these countries being so scared to help is giving Putin such confidence in himself. I mean the dude probably feels like he's a force to be reckoned with.
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The aid is still coming, the things they really need like ATM and manpads are coming in every day....

 
severestorm said:
China getting involved now. This probably won't end well for Ukraine.

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Did you read it?

www.ft.com

China ready to ‘play a role’ in Ukraine ceasefire

Shift in Beijing’s public position comes after call between Chinese and Ukrainian foreign ministers
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China signalled it was ready to play a role in finding a ceasefire in Ukraine as it “deplored” the outbreak of conflict in its strongest comments yet on the war. Beijing said it was “extremely concerned about the harm to civilians” in comments that came after a phone call between Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi and his Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba. “Ukraine is willing to strengthen communications with China and looks forward to China playing a role in realising a ceasefire,” the Chinese statement said on Tuesday. It added that it respected “the territorial integrity of all countries”,
 
NCSNOW said:
Puttin used nuclear energy to power Russia and because of Europes make beleive world of renewable is all you need, owns Europe through NG and Oil exports and built himself back up.
You would never have powered the industrial reveloution off renewable energy. Not then and not 200 years from now. Nuclear,NG,Oil is the only way forward. Use renewables to supplement- great.
But its a house of lies to do as Germany just did and think your gonna renewable,Green deal your way out of the growing energy crisis.
USA has over 400 less drills operating than they did just less than 18 months ago. USA needs to stop and pivot 180 degrees back in the direction it was going.
Pray this unfortunate reality check is a wake up call for the west. Until we cut off Russia spiggot, hes just gonna keep on keeping on.
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Except we'll be out of oil reserves (both proven and estimated unproven) and natural gas in 100 years, so I don't think that's an option 200 years from now. ;)
 
Downeastnc said:
Did you read it?

www.ft.com

China ready to ‘play a role’ in Ukraine ceasefire

Shift in Beijing’s public position comes after call between Chinese and Ukrainian foreign ministers
www.ft.com www.ft.com

China signalled it was ready to play a role in finding a ceasefire in Ukraine as it “deplored” the outbreak of conflict in its strongest comments yet on the war. Beijing said it was “extremely concerned about the harm to civilians” in comments that came after a phone call between Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi and his Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba. “Ukraine is willing to strengthen communications with China and looks forward to China playing a role in realising a ceasefire,” the Chinese statement said on Tuesday. It added that it respected “the territorial integrity of all countries”,
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Yeah, but Putin said Ukraine is a fake country. ?
 
So what would it take for outside help in the war? Or is everybody just going be like yeah will send you some stuff and watched you be bombed to death?
 
Zander98al said:
So what would it take for outside help in the war? Or is everybody just going be like yeah will send you some stuff and watched you be bombed to death?
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I don’t think there’s anything that would cause direct NATO/US involvement. Maybe if Putin starts unleashing widespread carpet bombing on civilian population centers, but even that doesn’t negate the fact that Russia has the largest nuclear weapons stockpile in the world.
 
Zander98al said:
So what would it take for outside help in the war? Or is everybody just going be like yeah will send you some stuff and watched you be bombed to death?
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I imagine at some point the UN or NATO will try to fly in food/medicine etc to Kyiv and other cities that are effectively cut off if the war persist. If Russia downs/threatens those flights then I could see no fly zones established and US/NATO aircraft escorting relief flights.
 
superjames1992 said:
I don’t think there’s anything that would cause direct NATO/US involvement. Maybe if Putin starts unleashing widespread carpet bombing on civilian population centers, but even that doesn’t negate the fact that Russia has the largest nuclear weapons stockpile in the world.
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Exactly. Apparently global temps will drop 10 degrees Celsius and a 75 percent loss in the ozone layer following a nuclear war. I can't see many people surviving if any if that were to happen.
 
Downeastnc said:
I imagine at some point the UN or NATO will try to fly in food/medicine etc to Kyiv and other cities that are effectively cut off if the war persist. If Russia downs/threatens those flights then I could see no fly zones established and US/NATO aircraft escorting relief flights.
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Idk I just see it as a inevitable outcome of Ukraine ultimately losing, if Russia wants to win they can, but at some point you would have to get sick of the senseless killing. Nobody wants war and nobody wins in war, but it's hard for anybody to standby and watch helpless people be killed.
 
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