lexxnchloe
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No, Iran cancelled them for you.
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No, Iran cancelled them for you.
lexxnchloe
Member
Exactly. And every second this gets dragged out makes Trump more desperate to cut and run. Iran should hold classes on Negotiations
You mean how they publicly say "We aren't coming to negotiate." Only for the guy to pop in and run to friendly countries?
Yep, masterclass. Hahaha
And can we please cut out the "Trump is desperate and is gonna cut and run" nonsense? He actually seems extremely calm which is very, very weird for him.
Mahomeless
Member
I second this 100%….your whining and crying about Iran “winning” and Trump is “begging for a deal” is nothing but trolling. It couldn’t be further from the truth, the mods have warned about it….its time for you to give it a rest or a mod to do it for you.
JHS
Member
The blockade will only work for so long. What do you think happens when China gets involved. They buy 90+% of the oil Iran sells. China will start to hurt badly before too long and they will NOT just sit back and take it. I think they'll start escorting their ships into the strait so they can get Iran's oil out. What do you think Trump will do then? He will back off and end the blockade, because there is no way we can get into a war with them. THAT is how Iran wins this.
The result is Iran's regime survives, they keep their nuclear program, and the strait is closed forever.
The result is Iran's regime survives, they keep their nuclear program, and the strait is closed forever.
JHS
Member
Do you really think they'll do nothing? 20% of their oil cut off is huge.
JHS
Member
They would foolish not to. Iran may not hold too many cards, but China certainly does even without a military move. The biggest of those cards is rare earth metals. If China cuts those off from us, we are in big trouble.
Iran’s advantage from waiting this out is that they have an autocracy that doesn’t have to worry about reelection vs the US’ upcoming midterms with the GOP hurting from this war, it getting worse, and GOP facing likelihood of massive losses.
This is true, but historically the majority party has lost the midterms anyways. The difference is Trump isn't gonna be up for reelection. If he wants that "middle-east" peacemaker badge he clearly desires, he will not relent.
Sure, the GOP could try to check him, but that would definitely send their chances down the toilet.
True as the House looks close to a done deal. But he’d prefer a smaller Dems majority there. Also, the Senate is uncertain. He doesn’t want to also lose that.
Agree there, but I'm to the point that I don't think it matters much, in fact could hurt him more if he pulls back. Kind of the lot he chose in this path.
Looking at her Twitter feed and track record, I'm gonna say my opinion is more correct than hers.
Anyone who said this ain't that smart.
so trump is waiting on their oil stockpiles to overflow on kharg
these types of people are willing to die for a story in a book, i don't think they care if the oil is ruined
these types of people are willing to die for a story in a book, i don't think they care if the oil is ruined
Not a single one of those situations (grossly misconstrued situations but I won't bother) has any relevance to this conflict. We hold no Iranian territory and they know we have no means to engage in a land campaign.
Right now our main concern should be coming to a settlement that allows us to keep our regional presence. A somewhat diminished presence is likely as we have at minimum 17 installations across the Middle East that have been rendered unusable from Iranian fire. There's been a ton of equipment and personnel heading over there since the ceasefire to start repairing what can be repaired quickly but we're looking at many billions to stand that back up. Losing 5th fleet home port is the worst of all that. Not only is Port Salman heavily damaged from what we've seen get through UAE censorship, we can't even refuel ships there if we had access to it because the Iranians hit the land based storage on base.
-keep in mind Fetterman is essentially R and may become R and Vance is tiebreaker..so GOP may only need 49 to keep Dems from being in control
- Cooper (NC) and ME (moderate Collins losing) are best chances for D gains but Collins is tough and appeals to many non-GOP.
-Dems in addition to holding on in GA (Ossoff), MI, and others, also likely have to win min. of 2 (3) of these 4 to have good chance to get to 51 (52):
AK: Best chance for Dems of these 4 appears to be AK. Watch moderate native Alaskan Peltola, who is ahead of incumbent Sullivan in last poll and who’s last Dem to win statewide
TX: Watch Dem primary winner moderate Talarico (TX), a proud Christian who will appeal to some GOPers but it’s deep red state and thus gives ad to GOP (Paxton or Cornyn)
OH: special election Husted (R incumbent) vs Brown (D); Husted has only slight ad in polls
IA: Ernst (R) retiring; deep Trump state in ‘24; Hinson is favored to win GOP primary and then election but polls are close for each of the 2 Dems vs Hinson and IA farmers’ soy exports to China have dropped in favor of S America due to the tariff war.
So, for the Dems to effectively control the Senate (52), they likely as of now have to win 2 of TX, OH, and IA, a tall order. This is largely what will determine Senate control and what GOP/Trump realizes. How long the Iran War will last due to price of gas, availability of fertilizer, price of groceries, etc. will play a role.