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Misc This Means WAR

1. Money ($1.7B) was sent to Iran (nobody is debating that), but it wasn’t a gift. It was based on legally settling something going way back to the 1970s as was stated. That’s why the interest was >3 times the principal. Evidently, the settlement could have been much higher per what Iran requested.

2. What you’re saying sounds good and I wish that could have been done, but how would the US have been able to get the $ directly to the citizens opposing the evil mullahs even with them making up the majority of citizens? Don’t you think Obama would have had that done that if it were feasible? Why wouldn’t he?
That was purely a tongue in cheek statement, about Obama's insincere reason he gave, saying that it was already owed to a regime that never really paid for it. It was just an excuse to help his friends the Islamist terrorist. He knew we didn't owe them that money and he knew they would use it for terror against the U.S. and Israel. Or does anyone think he was that big of a fool?
 
this here is wild. he seems like a liar to me. we can add "extends to ceasefire deadline indefinitely" to the end of this chart.

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Truth is Iran has weaponized our economy against us. They know the US citizens don't have the stomach for higher prices and that is to their advantage. Walk away from talks and the oil skyrockets and markets crash . Trump HATES that and they are using it against trump now.
 
iran literally said they were not showing up to a meeting to negotiate. trump would have been forced to "follow through" on his threats, and he backed down. that's what it looks like to me.

I mean it could definitely look like that to you, but the blockade is the far more damaging option. Had he backed down on it, I'd be in agreement with you, but honestly, this just tells me his generals got in his ear.

Why expend more energy and money if you've literally got the enemy by the nuts and their arms are broken. IMO, the blockade should have been placed weeks ago.
 
I mean it could definitely look like that to you, but the blockade is the far more damaging option. Had he backed down on it, I'd be in agreement with you, but honestly, this just tells me his generals got in his ear.

Why expend more energy and money if you've literally got the enemy by the nuts and their arms are broken. IMO, the blockade should have been placed weeks ago.

he could just stop looking weak and threatening things he has no intention of doing. it's been his whole process both terms. "bully" people so they listen to what he says. this time around, iran called his bluff and has been sticking to it.

i guess have fun at the gas pumps?
 
Truth is Iran has weaponized our economy against us. They know the US citizens don't have the stomach for higher prices and that is to their advantage. Walk away from talks and the oil skyrockets and markets crash . Trump HATES that and they are using it against trump now.

Dude, the US Navy has the economic engine of a country absolutely shut down. If Iran is weaponizing that, it's like trying to drown your enemy in blood after you cut your own throat.
 
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he could just stop looking weak and threatening things he has no intention of doing. it's been his whole process both terms. "bully" people so they listen to what he says. this time around, iran called his bluff and has been sticking to it.

i guess have fun at the gas pumps?

I mean, I guess he could shut up some, and probably should, but please tell me what more damaging thing other than dropping a nuke could the US be doing?

I'll hang up and listen.
 
Dude, the US Navy has the economic engine of a country absolutely shut down. If Iran is weaponizing that, it's like trying to drown your enemy in blood after you cut your own throat.

aside from this never needing to happen at all, now we need regime change. empower the people to take control. it's that simple. that is the only way this ends permanently.
 
aside from this never needing to happen at all, now we need regime change. empower the people to take control. it's that simple. that is the only way this ends permanently.

Then you have to invade, boots on the ground or attack the money and get them fighting among themselves.
 
I’m in support of ending the terror those protesters had to endure, and the threat of nuclear weapons. It’s now Armageddon with them. This fight we have to set precedence who is the bigger threat. No way to end it other than that. If Iran had a plan of having ballistic missles capable of hurting the western world, then we had to act, if not, then this is in vain.
 
Or Trump will blink and extend the ceasefire which would be a huge victory for Iran
Trump blinked yet again. I keep hearing from FOX and Trump we won the war. Then why in the Hell are we waiting for IRAN to tell us what they are going to do. String us along and drag this out till Trump caves on everything
 
Trump blinked yet again. I keep hearing from FOX and Trump we won the war. Then why in the Hell are we waiting for IRAN to tell us what they are going to do. String us along and drag this out till Trump caves on everything
Obviously if he did what me and you want most on this board would be very upset over the cost of it and the extended fuel costs.
 
I can't wait to see how this fractures people's minds. The seesaw between Trump is weak, Iran has won and Trump is crazy, wants to nuke Iran is gonna be epic.
The propaganda machines love confusion. I think people should use reasonable judgement and not rush to an idea the second a tweet goes out.
 
I’m in support of ending the terror those protesters had to endure, and the threat of nuclear weapons. It’s now Armageddon with them. This fight we have to set precedence who is the bigger threat. No way to end it other than that. If Iran had a plan of having ballistic missles capable of hurting the western world, then we had to act, if not, then this is in vain.
Its going to be in vain. We are the ones desperate to negotiate.
 
Some people think they’re in “the know”.

Maybe Sandbar can elaborate on this phenomenon…
I tried but my elaborations aren't worthy of serious discussion :) You won't know what all this is really about until it's really over. AWARENESS is very important here. Things being uncovered and dug up and exposed bring AWARENESS and when awareness increases people start questioning EVERYTHING they have been taught and those types of things start spreading like wildfire. The craziness is just getting started.

I'm not one of the people in the know I just have a unique ability to recognize patterns. Lots of Vets who gave their best years in those BS wars are starting to "see it" now that we aren't in the middle of it. I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the show.......
 
I called it. I knew he was going to cave yet again. If we won like he says then WE dictate terms and dont wait on them
I did not think he would cave this time, and I'm not ashamed to admit I was wrong. Now, that he has caved here and not set a deadline tells me this is over and that Iran has very unfortunately won.
 
Speaking of patterns, anybody else notice how many prominent scientists with ties to unique technologies like "plasma" and "anti gravity" disappearing or being outright killed as of late? People who KNOW THINGS just vanishing like a fart in the wind. Probably has nothing to do with ancient technologies these evil psychos use Tier 1 operators to go in and get. Disclosure is inching closer and closer and closer
 
Speaking of patterns, anybody else notice how many prominent scientists with ties to unique technologies like "plasma" and "anti gravity" disappearing or being outright killed as of late? People who KNOW THINGS just vanishing like a fart in the wind. Probably has nothing to do with ancient technologies these evil psychos use Tier 1 operators to go in and get. Disclosure is inching closer and closer and closer
Even CNN has noticed it.

 
Plenty of people think you got played for a sucker, not just Kaufman



“THE WALL STREET JOURNAL HAS LOST ITS WAY!An IDIOT on The Wall Street Journal’s Editorial Board, named Elliot Kaufman, just wrote an Op Ed entitled, “The Iranians Take Trump for a Sucker.” Really? For 47 years, they have killed our people, and many others, and taken advantage of every President, except me — And what did I give to them, a Country in tatters! Their entire Navy is at the bottom of the Sea, their Air Force is gone, their Anti Aircraft and Radar is wiped out, their Nuclear Labs and Storage Areas were OBLITERATED late one dark June evening by our Great B-2 Bombers, their leaders are DEAD, including General Soleimani, their evil genius who destroyed the lives of so many with his favored roadside bombs, the Strait of Hormuz is BLOCKADED and totally controlled by the U.S., with no Ships allowed to go to Iranian Ports — It is said that they are losing 500 Million Dollars a day because of this — Their Country is an Economic Catastrophe, that is hanging by a thread. Barack Hussein Obama gave them 1.7 Billion Dollars in “Green” Cash, flown in by a Boeing 757 to their leaders, and Hundreds of Billions of Dollars in order to help them on their way to a Nuclear Bomb. Other Presidents did nothing to stop them, a BLIGHT on the Office of the Presidency! But despite all of this, I have a MORON on the Editorial Board of The Wall Street Journal writing about me being taken for a “sucker.” Iran certainly doesn’t think so! Neither does anyone else. I guess Rupert Murdoch told him to write it this way, because The Wall Street Journal has lost its way, no longer required reading, just another failing political “RAG!” President DONALD J. TRUMP”
 
Plenty of people think you got played for a sucker, not just Kaufman



“THE WALL STREET JOURNAL HAS LOST ITS WAY!An IDIOT on The Wall Street Journal’s Editorial Board, named Elliot Kaufman, just wrote an Op Ed entitled, “The Iranians Take Trump for a Sucker.” Really? For 47 years, they have killed our people, and many others, and taken advantage of every President, except me — And what did I give to them, a Country in tatters! Their entire Navy is at the bottom of the Sea, their Air Force is gone, their Anti Aircraft and Radar is wiped out, their Nuclear Labs and Storage Areas were OBLITERATED late one dark June evening by our Great B-2 Bombers, their leaders are DEAD, including General Soleimani, their evil genius who destroyed the lives of so many with his favored roadside bombs, the Strait of Hormuz is BLOCKADED and totally controlled by the U.S., with no Ships allowed to go to Iranian Ports — It is said that they are losing 500 Million Dollars a day because of this — Their Country is an Economic Catastrophe, that is hanging by a thread. Barack Hussein Obama gave them 1.7 Billion Dollars in “Green” Cash, flown in by a Boeing 757 to their leaders, and Hundreds of Billions of Dollars in order to help them on their way to a Nuclear Bomb. Other Presidents did nothing to stop them, a BLIGHT on the Office of the Presidency! But despite all of this, I have a MORON on the Editorial Board of The Wall Street Journal writing about me being taken for a “sucker.” Iran certainly doesn’t think so! Neither does anyone else. I guess Rupert Murdoch told him to write it this way, because The Wall Street Journal has lost its way, no longer required reading, just another failing political “RAG!” President DONALD J. TRUMP”


Yep, lots of dumb people in this world.
 
Its time to finally take Iran at its word and just say negotiations are over. This is from Gen Kellogg. Take Kharg island and install a provisional govt there. He sure just rained on Hannity's parade on how brilliant Trump is.
 
Its not good to rain on parades but its a 100% guarantee Trump will side with the appeasers and end all sanctions, blockade, and release funds the second Iran agrees to anything. We were so close to total victory.

 
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