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Presidential Election 2024

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This would be a good thing. Been waiting for it to fall off in the ocean anyways.

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Sandbar said:
What is happening in that region was going to happen no matter what. How many decades has this conflict been going on? How many more decades can we sit back and watch rockets launched into Israel and then tell them to just take it again and again and again and again? The bottom line is this. Israel has what the Palestinian people want and they aren't going to accept anything less until they are all dead. Yes it is hard to watch but the Palestinian people made a choice a long time ago so Israel is forced to make a choice as well. We can all sit here and argue if it was the right choice but it isn't going to change the outcome in my opinion. Can Trump mediate this? We can hope but I have my doubts
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We kind of just took the land post-ww2, said deal with it to those established, and the war hasn't stopped since. It was zionists that convinced the European nations and America that the area was theirs as reparations for ww2 so in a sense, the group advocated for their own war for that land. It goes two ways since technically both have the right to blow each other up. I just wish we would stop participating in it and let whoever do whatever. If israel falls, so be it. If palestine falls, so be it.
 
ForsythSnow said:
We kind of just took the land post-ww2, said deal with it to those established, and the war hasn't stopped since. It was zionists that convinced the European nations and America that the area was theirs as reparations for ww2 so in a sense, the group advocated for their own war for that land. It goes two ways since technically both have the right to blow each other up. I just wish we would stop participating in it and let whoever do whatever. If israel falls, so be it. If palestine falls, so be it.
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Took it from who? The Jews have been occupying Israel for 4,000 years. They were taken from their homes and burnt in ovens with the goal of wiping them off the face of the earth. Post WW2 the Palestinians were offered a separate state and they refused. They have refused multiple times. Two things were going to happen. Israel would defend their land to the death and at some point they would get fed up with this sh*t and that time is now unfortunately
 
Sandbar said:
Took it from who? The Jews have been occupying Israel for 4,000 years. They were taken from their homes and burnt in ovens with the goal of wiping them off the face of the earth. Post WW2 the Palestinians were offered a separate state and they refused. They have refused multiple times. Two things were going to happen. Israel would defend their land to the death and at some point they would get fed up with this sh*t and that time is now unfortunately
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That is not true, Ill even use a more biased source that still falsifies what you state... Jews were less than 5% of the population until the Zionist movement began encouraging Europeans to migrate and colonize.. so Jews are a new large group as in last 100 years... I have maps pre 1948... none of those jewish towns existed.

Jewish & Non-Jewish Population of Israel/Palestine (1517-Present)

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Demographic history of Palestine (region) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
By 1940 they only owned about 5% of the land.. why do you not research these things? You have such a false narrative @Sandbar... also since when are all these pasty redheads and blondies with lips thinner than paper native to there lol?

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Downeastnc said:
This is hilarious
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First you are scared that people will be deported, now it is a tool for the left to use if the person of color does not follow suit. Seeing this a lot. Democrats only care about the person of color if they fall in line with them, vote their way, and see their own ideals as truth. If not, that person of color is in touble!
 
LickWx said:
That is not true, Ill even use a more biased source that still falsifies what you state... Jews were less than 5% of the population until the Zionist movement began encouraging Europeans to migrate and colonize.. so Jews are a new large group as in last 100 years... I have maps pre 1948... none of those jewish towns existed.

Jewish & Non-Jewish Population of Israel/Palestine (1517-Present)

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Demographic history of Palestine (region) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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That land has been occupied by multiple civilizations of people. You can sit here and argue over it until you are F'n blue in the face. It isn't yours anymore and you have no desire whatsoever for peace. Those are the facts as they sit TODAY in 2024. Hamas and Iran have a stated goal. To wipe Jews off the planet. It isn't going to happen and this is Israel's choice to make. Your people chose unwisely.....
 
Sandbar said:
That land has been occupied by multiple civilizations of people. You can sit here and argue over it until you are F'n blue in the face. It isn't yours anymore and you have no desire whatsoever for peace. Those are the facts as they sit TODAY in 2024. Hamas and Iran have a stated goal. To wipe Jews off the planet. It isn't going to happen and this is Israel's choice to make. Your people chose unwisely.....
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And I refuted your fact that they have been on that land for 4,000 years and you chose to ignore that and pivot......Multiple civilizations but the same PEOPLE..

www.dailykos.com

A History of the Palestinian People

Since this is a fact-based site, let’s start with the DNA evidence: A 2020 study on human remains from Middle Bronze Age Palestinian (2100–1550 BC) populations suggests a significant degree of genetic continuity in Arabic-speaking Levantine populations...
www.dailykos.com
 
@Bham 99 when will you answer my question.. I presented you with cold hard facts and you still ignore. Are you willfully ignorant? Incapable of accepting challenge to your entrenched beliefs? Shame. Means you are stagnant and are not growing.. Also means your worldview has no basis in reality unfortunately for you... living life disconnected from reality leads to isolation
 
LickWx said:
@Bham 99 when will you answer my question.. I presented you with cold hard facts and you still ignore. Are you willfully ignorant? Incapable of accepting challenge to your entrenched beliefs? Shame. Means you are stagnant and are not growing.. Also means your worldview has no basis in reality unfortunately for you... living life disconnected from reality leads to isolation
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He's busy seeking guidance in how to answer from maga folks
 
LickWx said:
And I refuted your fact that they have been on that land for 4,000 years and you chose to ignore that and pivot......Multiple civilizations but the same PEOPLE..

www.dailykos.com

A History of the Palestinian People

Since this is a fact-based site, let’s start with the DNA evidence: A 2020 study on human remains from Middle Bronze Age Palestinian (2100–1550 BC) populations suggests a significant degree of genetic continuity in Arabic-speaking Levantine populations...
www.dailykos.com
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And where will it get you? Nowhere.........It doesn't change a damn thing. We can go back and forth posting links, watching you piss and moan over them for hours. In the end it changes absolutely NOTHING for you or them. It's 2024 and you don't own jack sh*t because you refused the offers of peace multiple times. They made the bed they are now laying and dying in
 
Sandbar said:
And where will it get you? Nowhere.........It doesn't change a damn thing. We can go back and forth posting links, watching you piss and moan over them for hours. In the end it changes absolutely NOTHING for you or them. It's 2024 and you don't own jack sh*t because you refused the offers of peace multiple times. They made the bed they are now laying and dying in
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Offers for peace? So we had to accept that a population group that owned like 5% of the land and was composed of newcomers had the right to some 50% of our land? What planet are you on? lol.
 
LickWx said:
Offers for peace? So we had to accept that a population group that owned like 5% of the land and was composed of newcomers had the right to some 50% of our land? What planet are you on? lol.
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Remind me again where you sit today because it's the only thing that really matters. You chose and you are losing. That's where you stand. On the losing end
 
LickWx said:
@Bham 99 when will you answer my question.. I presented you with cold hard facts and you still ignore. Are you willfully ignorant? Incapable of accepting challenge to your entrenched beliefs? Shame. Means you are stagnant and are not growing.. Also means your worldview has no basis in reality unfortunately for you... living life disconnected from reality leads to isolation
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I'm not playing your game and for the sake of this thread I'm not going to participate.
 
Stump said:
First you are scared that people will be deported, now it is a tool for the left to use if the person of color does not follow suit. Seeing this a lot. Democrats only care about the person of color if they fall in line with them, vote their way, and see their own ideals as truth. If not, that person of color is in touble!
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No what it is is Latinos with illegal family here voting for someone who said he is going to deport them because they don't think he really is going to do it.
 
LickWx said:
Until we aren't.... America will not stand forever and neither will Israel. Resistance and resilience will win
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Why dont you call Hamas out for using Palestinians as bargaining Chips,pawns ? No one oppresses Palestinians in Gaza Like Hamas(arm of Iran). I respect your fredom of opinion and yes we are opposite end of the spectrum from each other. This will sound condescending and thats not my intention. But if you really care about Gaza/Pallenstine people. Their biggest oppresor,problem is HAMAS. Not Israel,America. The IDF would not be in Gaza Chasing them down if OCT 7,2023 hadnt occured.

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NCSNOW said:
Why dont you call Hamas out for using Palestinians as bargaining Chips,pawns ? No one oppresses Palestinians in Gaza Like Hamas(arm of Iran). I respect your fredom of opinion and yes we are opposite end of the spectrum from each other. This will sound condescending and thats not my intention. But if you really care about Gaza/Pallenstine people. Their biggest oppresor,problem is HAMAS. Not Israel,America. The IDF would not be in Gaza Chasing them down if OCT 7,2023 hadnt occured.

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For some odd reason that doesn't compute. I already tried multiple times.......
 
Sounds like The department of education will be getting closed down and education being sent back to the states responsibility. Overall this should be a big win for children in this country. You do worry about a few states radical agendas but that's where it becomes the parents responsibility.

The fact is our federal goverment does not belong in our schools and it's has been a failed experiment.
 
Thor said:
Sounds like The department of education will be getting closed down and education being sent back to the states responsibility. Overall this should be a big win for children in this country. You do worry about a few states radical agendas but that's where it becomes the parents responsibility.

The fact is our federal goverment does not belong in our schools and it's has been a failed experiment.
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When states can't afford to keep schools open I'm sure you will be willing to open your tax books for the increased taxes
 
NCSNOW said:
Obama Deported 3.2 Million. So anyone saying it cant or hasnt been done. Aurgument is a No Bueno!

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Those numbers are misleading, because they mostly consists of migrants forced to turn around at the border.

What they really don't want is the government deporting all of the migrants in the US who are working in their stores/restaurants/fields for pennies on the dollar with no labor protections, because that means they'll have to pay Americans a fair wage to work those jobs and they'd have to abide by OSHA / DOL regulations...
 
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NCSNOW said:
Why dont you call Hamas out for using Palestinians as bargaining Chips,pawns ? No one oppresses Palestinians in Gaza Like Hamas(arm of Iran). I respect your fredom of opinion and yes we are opposite end of the spectrum from each other. This will sound condescending and thats not my intention. But if you really care about Gaza/Pallenstine people. Their biggest oppresor,problem is HAMAS. Not Israel,America. The IDF would not be in Gaza Chasing them down if OCT 7,2023 hadnt occured.

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In all fairness how does Israel bombing women and children uninvolved with Hamas to kill Hamas play into this? I think we're aiding in the murders of more people than Hamas is torturing which is why I say if we're going to really say kill Hamas, just kill Hamas, not innocent people. The innocent dying to this BS is what's making America mad.
 
ForsythSnow said:
In all fairness how does Israel bombing women and children uninvolved with Hamas to kill Hamas play into this? I think we're aiding in the murders of more people than Hamas is torturing which is why I say if we're going to really say kill Hamas, just kill Hamas, not innocent people. The innocent dying to this BS is what's making America mad.
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Hamas is known to be integrated where the general public is on purpose.
 
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