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Presidential Election 2024

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JHS said:
Trump can do no wrong according to plenty of people on here. That is NOT the way things should be. We need to go back in time on this kind of thing, back to when Gary Hart had to end his bid for President over an affair. That should be an automatic disqualifier today, along with what the awful Matt Gaetz has done.
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Who here has said that Trump can do no wrong? Name names and show proof, or you are just lying to make a weak point.
 
JHS said:
Obama never even came close to being in any kind of scandal. The same with Carter and also, I believe Harry Truman.
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Because he did as he was told and continued the funding of the wars. He was a chosen and approved candidate, just like Romney. The cabal would have been fine with either. The approved republican candidate would have been Haley this time around.
 
J.C. said:
Because he did as he was told and continued the funding of the wars. He was a chosen and approved candidate, just like Romney. The cabal would have been fine with either. The approved republican candidate would have been Haley this time around.
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It's sad people can't put two and two together. They blindly believe what they're told.
 
JHS said:
Trump can do no wrong according to plenty of people on here. That is NOT the way things should be. We need to go back in time on this kind of thing, back to when Gary Hart had to end his bid for President over an affair. That should be an automatic disqualifier today, along with what the awful Matt Gaetz has done.
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I made it pretty clear on this board that I was worried about Trump not being electable 😂

Heck the third post on this thread...
 
Brent said:
I made it pretty clear on this board that I was worried about Trump not being electable 😂

Heck the third post on this thread...
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You are one of the few on the right that has a realistic view of things. I have not seen you post the kind of stuff many of the Trump supporters have and I'm grateful for it. We are in a free country, and we all have a right to our views and to express them, but some have gone too far with it.

And yes, the left gone too far with things much more than the right.
 
SimeonNC said:
I'm still reeling over my righteous indignation over the attitude taken towards Matt Gaetz's allegations before referred to as bitching lol

I asked this question before but I'll be more specific. What MORAL failings would Trump or any politician on side would have to commit that would be enough for you guys to withdraw your support? No policy stuff, just morals alone. This isn't a set up for a gotcha or anything, I'm actually morbidly curious. Like is there anything Trump and his camp can do/be accused of doing that would be too far for you guys or are we totally at the point where it all doesn't matter anymore as long as they have the right politics?
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What will anyone's answers change? Not a damn thing. Not one single thing unless it just makes you feel better
 
Rehashing what someone else said.....If we are wasting time conversing with the butthurt we aren't talking about this awesome cabinet he is assembling. Food for thought

For some odd reason they all seem to be coordinating with one another to be the same boring thing
 
Downeastnc said:
Let the leaks begin.....

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Something's awful fishy about that whole thing. The house ethics investigation committee was supposed to vote Friday on releasing the report on Matt and now that he's resigned they no longer have jurisdiction. They know good and damn well that people like Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, ECT will not vote for him. I'm hoping the senators at least get the report for the confirmation hearing. I personally think it was all just a coy to give him cover for future political ambitions.
 
Downeastnc said:
Very christian outlook

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And we wonder why membership continues to decline. Jesus didn't judge helped anyone who came across his path ECT. It's sad how far us Christians have wandered away from his true teachings. Were a lost nation who desperately needs a revival. Billy Graham was my favorite preacher growing up I don't think he would approve of Franklin, Kenneth Copeland, Jerry Fallwell Jr ECT. And for those who say we were founded as a Christian nation here's a reminder.
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Broken024 said:
Let me ask you this. If 35 year old congressman Gates ------ your 17 year old daughter would you want him as AG? Please answer with what about x.
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Had this very same conversation with my co-worker regarding the access Hollywood audio. He's very close with his pastor and family. His pastors college aged daughters refer to him as "uncle" they are so close.

I asked what if a guy grabbed one of these girls by the Meanie butt and he said they take a butt whooping. I asked him what if they said it was okay because the guy who did it had a tax plan they liked. Then I asked him if it was trump would he still vote for him and he said yeah.

Then I asked if he thought trump was going to be his new pastor with all his behavior would he be okay with it and he said NO.

So of course my next question was if trump isn't fit to run a church why is he fit to run the country.

The conversation with him is what led to my comment yesterday of what good is a religion when you can just apply it however you want.
 
Shaggy said:
Had this very same conversation with my co-worker regarding the access Hollywood audio. He's very close with his pastor and family. His pastors college aged daughters refer to him as "uncle" they are so close.

I asked what if a guy grabbed one of these girls by the Meanie butt and he said they take a butt whooping. I asked him what if they said it was okay because the guy who did it had a tax plan they liked. Then I asked him if it was trump would he still vote for him and he said yeah.

Then I asked if he thought trump was going to be his new pastor with all his behavior would he be okay with it and he said NO.

So of course my next question was if trump isn't fit to run a church why is he fit to run the country.

The conversation with him is what led to my comment yesterday of what good is a religion when you can just apply it however you want.
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Do you guys have HR? These types of conversations would not usually fly in the workplace.
 
Well here we are back to the morality debate on this forum. I try to stay away from morality and christiatnity debates on here because my walk with Christ is a personal walk. It is between me an him. And guess what debating morality on here with some will not change thier elitest viewpoints. I have stated that on here a few times. Do I sin? Absolutely I do but I try to remain true to my faith and repent for the wrongs I do. But that is not what this post is about. This post is more of an observation. The pendilum in this country swung way to the left in this country during the 8 years of Obeyme and 4 years of WOAT. Many of the beliefs of the far left do not gel with my personal beliefs and I wanted us to get to a right of center position but not too far right. Now we have to be careful that the pendilum does not swing too far right. The other day I stated on here I didn't agree with the AG pick. Not becuase he may or may not have slept with a 17 year old girl. Heck half if not more than half of DC has slept with minors. I don't agree with the pick becuase I am not sure he has the qualifications and because it may swing the pendilum too far right. We need balance in this country and not sure this pick is gonna help re-establish that balance.
 
When the Nation was founded, 85% of it's citizens were Christian of some denomination. So, it was understood that Christianity would be common and the protections were against one single denomination ruling the others, like the English Anglican church. Nobody tolerated Islam and we fought the Barbary pirates very early on. We were definitely founded as a "Christian" nation and thank God for it! We never would have survived this long with out Christians - whether you are one, support one or even just tolerate them, you owe them a huge "thank you".
 
Screwed up situation. You got atheists telling everybody how they're not Christian enough. And you have people believing everything you hear, forgetting that this is a political world with political hit jobs happening on a daily occurrence . I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it's following the same road as everything that's been happening against Trump. I'm a firm believer he would have already been in jail if this supposedly happened, 4 years ago. Pretty telling that it happens to the same type of person each and every time as well. It's always somebody that goes against the machine. Btw, I don't even like the guy. But my feelings do not matter.
 
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Bham 99 said:
Screwed up situation. You got atheists telling everybody how they're not Christian enough. And you have people believing everything you hear, forgetting that this is a political world with political hit jobs happening on a daily occurrence . I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it's following the same road as everything that's been happening against Trump. I'm a firm believer he would have already been in jail if this supposedly happened, 4 years ago. Pretty telling that it happens to the same type of person each and every time as well. It's always somebody that goes against the machine. Btw, I don't even like the guy. But my feelings do not matter.
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Exactly, the more I dug up looking into Gaetz as a pick, the more I realized he's been politicially persecuted as much as Trump has in some aspects, which is why Trump picked him. After seeing some of the brutal takedowns Gaetz has drunk hearings against Mayorkas, Gerrit and the FBI supervisor during the Hunter Biden Laptop investigation. Gaetz gets results. The DC Cesspool are terrified of him.
 
I don't know why we have to continually go through this. Of course, America was not founded and proclaimed as a Christian nation where Christianity was set as the national religion and Christians only were allowed. Literally, nobody here is making that claim.

But our laws were clearly derived from a Judeo-Christian framework, and the general morality of the day reflected that.

Also, and once again, I don't know why it has to be continually pointed out, someone claiming to be a Christian espousing some extreme or weird view doesn't nullify Christianity or the general Christian point of view in any way. To think otherwise and to use examples like that to make a broader point about Christians is absurd.
 
It'd clear that in order for Gaetz to be confirmed the House Ethic Committee report has to be made public...several top ranking GOP senators have called for just that. If there is testimony of illegal behavior then I can't see how Gaetz get confirmed. Maybe let him go under oath amd refute the testimony under penalty of perjury....but based on all the stuff being said by his own party members these allegations are true and that would be foolish of Gaetz to do.
 
Downeastnc said:
It'd clear that in order for Gaetz to be confirmed the House Ethic Committee report has to be made public...several top ranking GOP senators have called for just that. If there is testimony of illegal behavior then I can't see how Gaetz get confirmed. Maybe let him go under oath amd refute the testimony under penalty of perjury....but based on all the stuff being said by his own party members these allegations are true and that would be foolish of Gaetz to do.
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I don't see a path forward for him. Who knows maybe the moderates fall in line. But I suspect there's still bad blood over the McCarthy spectacle.
 
Election over and Tim Scott heads back to the swamp and puts a MAGA and Trump hater in charge of funding senate candidates.



BREAKING: Newly-elected NRSC Chair Tim Scott is hiring Stephen DeMaura, a huge Trump hater & Mike Pence's 2024 campaign manager, to be the Senatorial Committee's Executive Director. DeMaura will have massive control over which Senate candidates to fund.Scott promised to help President Trump fulfill his promises, and only a day after getting voted to lead the GOP Senate's bank account, he's hiring a never-Trumper who will only help Neocon establishment candidates win.WHAT IS GOING ON?
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. This is the most disgusting 180° in the history of 180°s. Why pick a backstabber to direct Senate funding?
 
weatherfide said:
When the Nation was founded, 85% of it's citizens were Christian of some denomination. So, it was understood that Christianity would be common and the protections were against one single denomination ruling the others, like the English Anglican church. Nobody tolerated Islam and we fought the Barbary pirates very early on. We were definitely founded as a "Christian" nation and thank God for it! We never would have survived this long with out Christians - whether you are one, support one or even just tolerate them, you owe them a huge "thank you".
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You won't like my answer but I'm gonna say it anyways as a former Christian turned Gnostic. Go read that book again. It's a document versed in war, revenge, and judgement (See Yahweh Old Testament). I can't tell you how many times before an operation that we thanked God for our might and ability to kill our enemies. It was only when I took that step away did I see it. I believe in a creator but if that creator is some old bearded man in the sky who's word is what I read in the old testament I will be sorely disappointed. For some reason I don't think our creator chooses any "thing" over another. Not a country, not an army, not a certain religion. We are on the brink of a nuclear war right now because of religion. I don't think "thank you" is the phrase I would use right now

Christians do a lot of good, they really do but they need to come to an understanding that they are the newest religion on the block by a long shot, the bible is mostly stories from much older ancient text and the majority of it has been grossly misunderstood because the church chose to make it that way on purpose. If you want the truth look at the ancient Gnostic text. Look at the text that were left out of biblical canon purposely. There is a good reason why the catholic church brutally slaughtered millions of Gnostics in the name of God of all things. I respect everyones right to worship as you please but we really need to get away from the idea that we are Christian nation because we are far from it. This is a nation where you are freely allowed to worship as you please even as a Christian which I would rather you be than an atheist who thinks they came from a mud puddle

Jumping off my soapbox......
 
Stormsfury said:
Exactly, the more I dug up looking into Gaetz as a pick, the more I realized he's been politicially persecuted as much as Trump has in some aspects, which is why Trump picked him. After seeing some of the brutal takedowns Gaetz has drunk hearings against Mayorkas, Gerrit and the FBI supervisor during the Hunter Biden Laptop investigation. Gaetz gets results. The DC Cesspool are terrified of him.
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Gaetz knows a lot of nasty dirt about a lot of nasty people in the swamp. He has that FAFO attitude and he isn't afraid to use it and that can work in Trump's favor in many ways with what he wants to do cleaning up the cesspool
 
Shaggy said:
Had this very same conversation with my co-worker regarding the access Hollywood audio. He's very close with his pastor and family. His pastors college aged daughters refer to him as "uncle" they are so close.

I asked what if a guy grabbed one of these girls by the Meanie butt and he said they take a butt whooping. I asked him what if they said it was okay because the guy who did it had a tax plan they liked. Then I asked him if it was trump would he still vote for him and he said yeah.

Then I asked if he thought trump was going to be his new pastor with all his behavior would he be okay with it and he said NO.

So of course my next question was if trump isn't fit to run a church why is he fit to run the country.

The conversation with him is what led to my comment yesterday of what good is a religion when you can just apply it however you want.
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There are many pastors unfit to run a country and many presidents unfit to be a pastor. I’m not sure what your point is, but we are voting on a president, not a chaplain.

If it means that much to you, nominate a nun then.

I am surprised that a professed atheist has such a criteria for a president that he has to be fit to run a church. Quite a qualifier for an atheist don’t you think?
 
Avalanche said:
There are many pastors unfit to run a country and many presidents unfit to be a pastor. I’m not sure what your point is, but we are voting on a president, not a chaplain.

If it means that much to you, nominate a nun then.

I am surprised that a professed atheist has such a criteria for a president that he has to be fit to run a church. Quite a qualifier for an atheist don’t you think?
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You might be missing my point. It's the self righteousness of the right that is being questioned. They are literally fighting to have god entered into government at every turn and yet most have strayed so far from their religion. That was the point of my other post about a compass always pointing north.
 
At least the first term we had people who acted as guardrails and kept the government from falling into complete chaos ,wars ,ECT. Buckle up it's going to be a wild ride. Get the popcorn ready a never ending reality show.
 
If only the rabid anti-Bush ppl twenty years ago knew just how bad things would get, well half of them are probably in Trump's fandom so nvm
 
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