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Wintry January 3rd-6th, 2018 Winter Storm The ARCC/Xtreme Weather Special

How does the 18z CMC Look?
You ask how every model looks. The European model’s best graphics are through pay sites, but every other model can be found freely. Your question should be “can someone post the link to the 18z Canadian?” Then you play around with all of the features. I’ve spent the last 15 years or so doing it. It’s very fun and educational.
 
Yeah, I guess. That keeps getting thrown out there. But in my experience, at least with Gulf systems, the models usually show plenty of qpf and we end up getting shafted at the last minute, when none of them showed a minimum of precip due to convection robbing. In this case, nobody but the 3k NAM is showing appreciable precip making it back to the Triangle. Either the models do a great job picking up convection robbing in the Atlantic or there's something else going on.
I hope you guys get hammered with snow. Just let us have a little bit of that back this way.
 
It could be, but none of the models that are dry have the resolution to resolve convection. Many of the ones that do, like the 3km NAM and the WRF-ARW2 pound us. I was also reading a WPC event summary from December 2017 for Texas and they mentioned those two models handling that event best for their area. Totally, and I do mean totally, different situation here but further adds some credibility to them. I know I tout the RGEM, and it may well end up being correct, but it actually has worse resolution that the ECMWF I believe, and it definitely doesn't have the resolution of the NAM so perhaps it is struggling with this extremely convective system also. I'm not trying to wish cast, I'm going to look like a moron at work where I put out my forecast to 7 offices across the state this afternoon if I'm wrong. This one is going to be a lot of fun to look back on and learn, hopefully after several days of playing in the snow ;)
That is crazy. Sounds like we really have no explanation why the models are so different. I guess the local TV mets just go with which ever one shows the least. That doesn't sound like the models are reliable either way, though.
 
You can see the clear difference on the 3k vs the gfs below. The gfs continues to pin the 700mb convergence to the coast and a westerly flow inland. You don't get much snow that way. The 3k nam develops a weak 700mb circulation over NE SC and a deep SE flow into nc
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You can see the clear difference on the 3k vs the gfs below. The gfs continues to pin the 700mb convergence to the coast and a westerly flow inland. You don't get much snow that way. The 3k nam develops a weak 700mb circulation over NE SC and a deep SE flow into nc
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So, when will we be able to tell which one is right? And how do the mets figure out which one to go with for a forecast?
 
Now-casting, radar trend and current up-stream obvs
But how do they decide which one to go with right now? From all I read 1300 and Webber think the NAM is more correct, with the setup we have, but seems like all the local mets are going with the globals.
 
Less than 24 hrs from go time, our best bet is just to nowcast it seems there still a lot of questions. How many times have these forecasts happen exactly like it was forecasted 12-24 hrs before? Very rare.

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You can see the clear difference on the 3k vs the gfs below. The gfs continues to pin the 700mb convergence to the coast and a westerly flow inland. You don't get much snow that way. The 3k nam develops a weak 700mb circulation over NE SC and a deep SE flow into nc
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Isn't this that the reason we so often deal with a warm nose that cuts precip amounts, especially in marginal temp profile setups? The NAM usually nails that, I think Webb said earlier we actually need some waa to get moisture return like the NAM is showing...

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