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Tropical Invest 94L

A broad area of low pressure associated with a tropical wave
continues to produce disorganized showers and thunderstorms
several hundred miles west of the Cabo Verde Islands. Gradual
development of this system is possible, and a tropical depression
could form by the middle of next week while the system moves
westward across the central tropical Atlantic Ocean.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...10 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...40 percent.
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Both FV3 and GFS have the storm. FV3 is close to PR by the 16th and is a definite US hit pattern aloft. Unlike Dorian if this is showing, it will not be nearly the guessing game.

ICON does as well.
 
Yeah, good look aloft for a strengthening storm. Brace for round two.

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FV3 is freaking Dorian Redux. ULL out in front providing perfect outflow channels. No escape for FL on this run though.

Giving me chills.
 
To nitpick a bit, I went and looked at the whole run quickly and I believe that fantasy storm is actually future 95L (I'm curious about why that hasn't been designated as a watch area yet). Either way with the kind of pattern shown on the 16th it'd be bad if it were as depicted, but we do still have some complications to sort out in the next week (if whether 95L absorbs 94L or not).
 
At 180hrs, the GFS, FV3 and ICON all agree with the big trough digging into the west which pumps the WAR. If it verifies like that, major problems are coming should this develop as that pattern as we know in winter does not break down quickly.

Unlike Dorian, this one would be a bullet.
 
GeorgiaGirl said:
To nitpick a bit, I went and looked at the whole run quickly and I believe that fantasy storm is actually future 95L (I'm curious about why that hasn't been designated as a watch area yet). Either way with the kind of pattern shown on the 16th it'd be bad if it were as depicted, but we do still have some complications to sort out in the next week (if whether 95L absorbs 94L or not).
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yeah I'm not fully sure this is 94L either

but whatever it is I'm having Dorian flashbacks

also the dreaded I name is right around the corner too
 
WATCH OUT BAHAMAS, FLORIDA, GA, SC, NC AND POINTS NORTH FROM THERE. LOOKS LIKE DORIAN 2.0
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PEA_RIDGE said:
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It’s all about the timing of that front. If it’s a day or two faster, it’s a safe recurve fish storm, if it’s a day or two slower, which is usually the case, US could be in jeopardy. I just hope it’s weak if it landfalls and brings the SE some much needed rain!
 
Tarheel1 said:
It’s all about the timing of that front. If it’s a day or two faster, it’s a safe recurve fish storm, if it’s a day or two slower, which is usually the case, US could be in jeopardy. I just hope it’s weak if it landfalls and brings the SE some much needed rain!
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I HOPE IF IT IS SLOWER IT AS WELL IS WEAK AND BRINGS THE RAIN,

I LOOKS LIKE A MIAMI AREA LAND FALL AT 944 Mb THEN GETS NORTH AND BRINGS RAIN TO THE WHOLE EAST COAST.

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GFS PUTS IT WELL NORTH AT 384 HRS
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WHILE THE FV3 STILL HAS IT WAY OUT OF THE BAHAMAS
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Oh boy. This run shoots the gap between PR and the DR.

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GFS really likes the shortcut through the passage......this is so strange. Looks like a repeat of one of the model runs a couple of weeks ago.

Looks like it's the wave behind 94L, but outruns it and stays in the timeframe that 94L was running.

NHC doesn't have to change the map. It runs right into 94L's orange circle. That's crazy that the potential is that strong. If the first one fizzles out just wait on the next one.
 
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Henry2326 said:
GFS really likes the shortcut through the passage......this is so strange. Looks like a repeat of one of the model runs a couple of weeks ago.

Looks like it's the wave behind 94L, but outruns it and stays in the timeframe that 94L was running.

NHC doesn't have to change the map. It runs right into 94L's orange circle. That's crazy that the potential is that strong. If the first one fizzles out just wait on the next one.
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Yeah not sure which wave it is. Euro has a 2nd one as well that's making a westward turn but still out by the islands.

At the very least the models suggest we ha e a lot more to watch for.
 
Euro at 240hrs. Once again big trough digging into the west, pumping in ridge in the east. This one will very likely trend west on the FV3 and GFS due to their tendency to drop a trough into the east in the long range.

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A broad area of low pressure associated with a tropical wave
continues to produce disorganized showers and thunderstorms
several hundred miles west of the Cabo Verde Islands. Some slow
development of this system is possible during the next several days
while the low moves westward across the central tropical Atlantic
Ocean.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...10 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...40 percent.
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Arcc said:
Yep, easy forecast should things look like that unlike Dorian.
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I know you know this and most every active poster does too. So, this isn’t really aimed at you or anyone in particular:
It almost never ends up being an easy forecast because of atmospheric features that almost always show up at some point that weren’t there on earlier runs that affect strength and/or track. Also, every model has its biases. That’s why as someone who wants no part of these potential monsters I sometimes prefer to be hit dead on many days in advance vs being missed.

If it was easy, I firmly believe that the interest in tracking these wouldn’t be nearly as strong. Think about it this way: let’s imagine the models were always (near) perfect from 2 weeks out with every storm and didn’t vary between each other and from run to run. There’d then be no reason for intense forecasting discussions. The forecasting aspect would become a boring topic as forecasting would be no challenge.
 
The big storms now showing up in the models are clearly not originating from 94L as some have correctly suggested. They are originating from the wave east of 94L. Someone may want to either change the topic title or start a new thread because this may get confusing when we look back at this after the fact. Earlier 94L was leading to some big modeled storms, but not now.
 
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GaWx said:
I know you know this and most every active poster does too. So, this isn’t really aimed at you or anyone in particular:
It almost never ends up being an easy forecast because of atmospheric features that almost always show up at some point that weren’t there on earlier runs that affect strength and/or track. Also, every model has its biases. That’s why as someone who wants no part of these potential monsters I sometimes prefer to be hit dead on many days in advance vs being missed.

If it was easy, I firmly believe that the interest in tracking these wouldn’t be nearly as strong. Think about it this way: let’s imagine the models were always (near) perfect from 2 weeks out with every storm and didn’t vary between each other and from run to run. There’d then be no reason for intense forecasting discussions. The forecasting aspect would become a boring topic as forecasting would be no challenge.
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Its not an easy forecast yet. That said in ten days if the Euro is correct with that upper air pattern, the direction of movement will be an easy forecast. Sure it may run over the islands and not be a monster or the ULL may slow down and shear it out, but with the trough out west pumping the WAR there isnt any direction it can go but west to west-northwest.
 
Arcc said:
Its not an easy forecast yet. That said in ten days if the Euro is correct with that upper air pattern, the direction of movement will be an easy forecast. Sure it may run over the islands and not be a monster or the ULL may slow down and shear it out, but with the trough out west pumping the WAR there isnt any direction it can go but west to west-northwest.
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That may very well end up the case general direction-wise and I wouldn’t bet against that happening (I agree with you on the general idea), but I’m going to be like Phil usually thinks and not bet too heavily on it either as surprises are unpredictable. That’s what makes tracking the tropics so interesting from a forecasting aspect.
 
Arcc said:
Its not an easy forecast yet. That said in ten days if the Euro is correct with that upper air pattern, the direction of movement will be an easy forecast. Sure it may run over the islands and not be a monster or the ULL may slow down and shear it out, but with the trough out west pumping the WAR there isnt any direction it can go but west to west-northwest.
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That's what a lot of people thought about Dorian until the time when upper air data started getting ingested into the models and then suddenly everything changed. Not saying the models arent right but that's a long way out to be saying any pattern is a lock.
 
GaWx said:
The big storms now showing up in the models are clearly not originating from 94L as some have correctly suggested. They are originating from the wave east of 94L. Someone may want to either change the topic title or start a new thread because this may get confusing when we look back at this after the fact. Earlier 94L was leading to some big modeled storms, but not now.
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I say keep this as 94L and keep track of that in here but the system models are is showing is definitely a wave that hasn't even come off of Africa yet, in fact prob 36-48 hrs away from the Atlantic.... that one should probably be discussed in the general tropics/models discussion thread until such time it's designated as an invest.
 
Not often do these 3 sit with a storm in the same general area, on the same day, 10+ days out. We can just marvel at it this minute, since it will possibly change in a couple of hours. :)
Capturing here for future look back....

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Shaggy said:
Seems awfully fast to get it to the Bahamas in 10 days on the euro no?
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I just looked at the Euro again to make sure I wasn’t wrong and I’m still convinced it is still over W Africa. First of all, it isn’t to the Bahamas at day 10 but rather just NE of Hispaniola. Secondly, once out into the MDR, it moves rather quickly (like 20-25 mph) for several days due to strong surface highs to the north of it. That may very well keep it weak for quite awhile though that would increase the danger of it getting far west.
 
GaWx said:
I just looked at the Euro again to make sure I wasn’t wrong and I’m still convinced it is still over W Africa. First of all, it isn’t to the Bahamas at day 10 but rather just NE of Hispaniola. Secondly, once out into the MDR, it moves rather quickly (like 20-25 mph) for several days due to strong surface highs to the north of it. That may very well keep it weak for quite awhile though that would increase the danger of it getting far west.
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So we're generally talking a out 2 weeks-ish before getting near the US. I'm going to guess that the upper air patter at that time will look a bit different than it is currently progged, as was alluded to before.
 
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