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GeorgiaGirl said:
Houston in Texas, one of George Floyd's major stomping grounds, has apparently ran out of at least ICU beds in adult hospitals. You can't tell me, without proof, that it's completely unrelated to the protests and funerals with that case. It's not the only reason why, but it's likely contributing given that the protests started over two weeks ago and the funeral was 2 weeks ago to today, and you can start showing symptoms in 5 days.

It probably does also include major Memorial Day parties, but beach going without trying to be in contact with other people (some of the islands in SC would work), going to get your hair cut, eating out with some social distancing implemented, going to the gym to work out, shopping without wearing a mask, etc... Most of these people probably aren't the ones getting it.

Or maybe it's naivety and Lady Luck because swap out beach going with taking a trip and the household I'm in has done most of that and none of us have been sick for months. We've only put on masks when it's required.
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So let me ask these questions.

What were the main demographics of the protest in Houston? Many 60 to 90 yr olds running around those protests? How do now full ICU beds match with the long held belief that this is a nothingburger for anyone under 60?

Because if we agree that the protests were largely held by young adults then this crushes the months old mantra that this is an old persons disease and young people are not at as much risk.
 
Shaggy said:
So let me ask these questions.

What were the main demographics of the protest in Houston? Many 60 to 90 yr olds running around those protests? How do now full ICU beds match with the long held belief that this is a nothingburger for anyone under 60?

Because if we agree that the protests were largely held by young adults then this crushes the months old mantra that this is an old persons disease and young people are not at as much risk.
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I think younger people are a risk but they aren’t dying like the older Americans. Over 50 and you need to stay lockdown. I’ve seen so many 50s-70s walking the beach or at the pool. Flordia is a perfect storm with the retirees down there.
 
Governor Cooper about to speak. Will he issue a statewide mask rule?

By the way, I visited a dying church member in the hospital today. It was my first hospital visit since March. It was like walking through security at the White House. But in any case, wearing the mask the whole time was not easy for me (sweating, fogging the glasses). Not complaining, just saying.
 
Poimen said:
Governor Cooper about to speak. Will he issue a statewide mask rule?

By the way, I visited a dying church member in the hospital today. It was my first hospital visit since March. It was like walking through security at the White House. But in any case, wearing the mask the whole time was not easy for me (sweating, fogging the glasses). Not complaining, just saying.
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We’ll see. Sounds like he’ll announce a decision on phase 3, too. I can’t imagine we go to phase 3 unless he thinks implementing the mask rule will help to contain things. Maybe he’ll modify phase 2 by allowing gyms to open or something like that, though.

I do think a mask mandate is likely coming, though. Most of the bigger cities have one now, anyways.
 
Read a study where they are finding Covid tcells in people who had symptoms but do not test positive for antibodies. Basically implying that the antibody studies may be too low on Covid cases.
 
Jon said:
Googling BLM protesters locking arms must have been hard.

That wasn’t even the point of my post dude and I acknowledged protestors adding to case totals


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Actually it's quite easy.

And your point was not lost on me. I see that you are trying to say protesting outside was ok, because they were socially distant (unlike your office) and wore masks. That long exposure in close proximity was needed for transmission, and how that was not present in the George Floyd protests...

My image was to inform you otherwise.
 
Tarheel17 said:
With cases and hospitalizations trending up, not sure Cooper had much of a choice. Hopefully more people will take masks seriously and we can ease off some in a few weeks.
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Yep. Apparently Virginia had mandated masks a while back even though there were a pile of people that whined about it. They get to go to Phase 3 on the 1st. Guess we should have done the same thing at the time and not left it to hope that people would be smart about things and just did it.
 
Interesting. Turns out the virus experts were more accurate than jimbo with an 11th grade education who doesn't want the government telling him what to do.
 
Jon said:
Protests aren’t it folks.

Look at the science. There have been numerous examples to illustrate what it takes for this virus to spread, but politics get in the way and people on the right want someone to blame. It can’t be that they aren’t wearing masks because their president doesn’t! It can’t be that they think wearing a mask is weak and embarrassing! It can’t be that they think it’s a hoax and bill gates is in on it! It can’t be that they think if you wear a mask you’re a dumb lib!

Protests are outdoors and there’s usually plenty of mask wearing and moving/walking. I’m not saying it’s innocent and cases aren’t transmitted during protests but hear me out.

Scientists have stated that Coronavirus needs close contact with the infected individual for extended_periods_of_time...which means you’re likely to see it spread in intimate settings where people are stagnant and indoors....through households, churches (sitting beside people for an hour) and workplaces that don’t social distance.

I got it from my coworker, who stands beside me and we share phones all day in a 200sqft space.

There have been numerous examples...people at a round table, and only the person to get it was the person to the left and the right of said infected person.

It’s these close, intimate contacts without wearing masks that causes spread. This is why bars are the last thing to open in many major cities, close contact not to mention while intoxicated people tend to get closer and talk loud (increases droplet transmission)
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We havent missed a day of work yet. Be in the same warehouse offices sharing same bathrooms, break area, commuting in from 4 counties. Nada
Whats science behind that?
 
So we see lots of asymptomatic cases reported. A resident at my wifes work went to the ER over the weekend for unrelated issues and tested positive. Being a memory care unit with lots of elderly patients the facility has been prepared for this. Strict entry protocols, limited staff for contact tracing and so on. Since the woman was asymptomatic they tested EVERYONE who had been in and out of that unit for 2 weeks prior.........no other positives. No other asymptomatic cases. No known carrier to give it to this patient.

@Jon whats the chances we are seeing some false positives. Their last case they were able to track and find the spreader but not this time.
 
Shaggy said:
So we see lots of asymptomatic cases reported. A resident at my wifes work went to the ER over the weekend for unrelated issues and tested positive. Being a memory care unit with lots of elderly patients the facility has been prepared for this. Strict entry protocols, limited staff for contact tracing and so on. Since the woman was asymptomatic they tested EVERYONE who had been in and out of that unit for 2 weeks prior.........no other positives. No other asymptomatic cases. No known carrier to give it to this patient.

@Jon whats the chances we are seeing some false positives. Their last case they were able to track and find the spreader but not this time.
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False negatives are way more common. I’d have to find the exact sensitivity of the PCR test that was used on her and what the lab is analytically reporting so it would be hard to be exact, but it’s likely a true positive because of the test design...really the only thing to say otherwise would be contamination. I’d definitely treat her as a true positive. She can always get antibody tests when they get better and verify her infection with IgG’s
 
Jon said:
False negatives are way more common. I’d have to find the exact sensitivity of the PCR test that was used on her and what the lab is analytically reporting so it would be hard to be exact, but it’s likely a true positive because of the test design...really the only thing to say otherwise would be contamination. I’d definitely treat her as a true positive. She can always get antibody tests when they get better and verify her infection with IgG’s
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Then I would think the fear switches to someone being in the facility that was tested but a false negative? This place has been VERY strict and keep tabs on employee movements to trace any cases. Being everyone else tested negative I'd be worried someone was still spreading it but negative.
 
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Jimmy Hypocracy said:
No more lockdowns. You can’t isolate people forever. We locked down once and obviously it was all in vain. No more lockdowns. Waste of time and money.
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What we did was hardly a lockdown. We left so many things open. My cousin positing pictures from the French quarter in NOLA without a single car or person walking. China with empty streets in a town of 11 million people. Those were lockdowns. What we did wasnt that.
 
Many folks seem to conveniently forget the point of lock down was to give healthcare time to prepare for increased cases and not become overwhelmed. We did that and, at least in North Carolina, we really never experienced a big wave of infections until, maybe, now... three months after we paused to give health care time to prepare. That was the plan. Thinking the number of cases weren't going to increase once we opened back up is asinine (did any reasonable person here actually expect the number of confirmed cases NOT to increase??)

I've been watching the percentage of available hospital beds and ICU beds via the NC DHHS dashboard for two months now. Despite increasing cases and hospitalizations, the percentage of available beds has stayed just around 20% (currently 19% for inpatient beds and 23% for ICU). Regardless of what the news headlines lead/scare you to believe, healthcare providers aren't "overwhelmed" based on data reported to the state. Deaths are also down SIGNIFICANTLY over the past two months.

Calm down. Be Safe. Wear a mask when you can't socially distance. Everything will be fine.
 
eyewall said:
It seemed to work for NY as did mask requirements.
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So, eyewall, do you think we should go back into lockdown? Should we remain in lock down until a vaccine is available?

NYC has been locked down for the better part of three months and the number of cases has decreased significantly (as you would certainly expect). As NYC finally begins to "re-open", are you of the belief the number of cases there won't increase over time?
 
Uncwmark said:
So, eyewall, do you think we should go back into lockdown? Should we remain in lock down until a vaccine is available?

NYC has been locked down for the better part of three months and the number of cases has decreased significantly (as you would certainly expect). As NYC finally begins to "re-open", are you of the belief the number of cases there won't increase over time?
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I know this question wasn’t directed at me, but there’s a 100% chance cases go up significantly as things open back up. There’s no way around it.
 
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