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GaWx said:
The JNJ sounds appealing since it is just one shot. But my dental hygienist, who got one of the other company's shots, said that JNJ is a good bit less effective % wise because it is just one shot. She was saying like 67% vs 90% or whatever. That surprised me, Do you know if that's true?
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JNJ is 67% effective against milder COVID but 100% effective against hospitalizations.
 
Jon said:
Everyone doesn’t have the right to spread false and unsubstantiated claims, which is exactly what you’re doing.

It’s fine if you don’t want it, we get it, but please don’t post unreliable sources to convince others that the vaccines are causing the death and not the new strains, or what we you just said. It’s unsubstantiated and it’s reckless. You’re doing more harm than good, and it’s not a stretch to say you may directly influence someone’s choice not to get it — and god forbid they get covid and die. If that were to happen, it’s on you.

This thread needs a fact checking moderator. Needed one a long time ago. This is getting way past harmless weather posts.
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But here’s the thing I don’t believe it’s false. It’s not my fault y’all chose to believe the Governments lies.


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Jon said:
Stop spreading this -------- dude. If you knew the science — you wouldn’t believe it yourself. I literally have 8 years of college. I took courses on biochemistry, immunology, genetics, microbiology, and chemistry. I took graduate level courses in immunology and biochemistry. I know more about vaccines than anyone on this forum. I PROMISE TO YOU this shot isn’t as dangerous as you and these people are making it out to be. This is conspiracy level crap and you need to stop. I’d say it’s laughable but it’s not even funny.

We are so close to getting this behind us.
We need to trust the science.
We need people vaccinated.
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When deaths surge in the fall/winter and people that received the so called vaccine. Are the ones dying and the Government is saying well it’s a new mutant strain. Y’all will probably believe it. I won’t believe it because I’ve listened to these doctors one of which actually worked for bill Gates and is very pro vaccine. I’m sorry but I don’t think Geert Vanden would lie. The man is a PHD And DVM. He literally wouldn’t put his career on the line like this is he wasn’t right.


www.geertvandenbossche.org

DVM, PhD | Geert Vanden Bossche

Geert Vanden Bossche, DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine expert, formerly employed at GAVI and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, sends open call to all authorities, scientists and experts around the world, to whom this concerns: the entire world population.
www.geertvandenbossche.org www.geertvandenbossche.org


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Broken024 said:
Damn dude. You are completely out of touch with reality.
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I just don’t think Geert Vanden Bossche would lie. This man is very pro vaccine he has a PHD and well I’ll post his bio. He wouldn’t put his reputation and career on the line if it wasn’t true. Just read his bio


Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD)
Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness. Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines.


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ontherocks said:
Y’all there is a conspiracy thread. Maybe those sourcing their info from vaccinesarestupidamirite.com can take this mess over there.
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I think when doctors and people with PHDs are making these claims. I think there more then conspiracy.


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Jessy89 said:
When deaths surge in the fall/winter and people that received the so called vaccine. Are the ones dying and the Government is saying well it’s a new mutant strain. Y’all will probably believe it. I won’t believe it because I’ve listened to these doctors one of which actually worked for bill Gates and is very pro vaccine. I’m sorry but I don’t think Geert Vanden would lie. The man is a PHD And DVM. He literally wouldn’t put his career on the line like this is he wasn’t right.


www.geertvandenbossche.org

DVM, PhD | Geert Vanden Bossche

Geert Vanden Bossche, DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine expert, formerly employed at GAVI and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, sends open call to all authorities, scientists and experts around the world, to whom this concerns: the entire world population.
www.geertvandenbossche.org www.geertvandenbossche.org


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Lol he calls himself a “DMV”

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Jessy89 said:
I think when doctors and people with PHDs are making these claims. I think there more then conspiracy.


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You conveniently leave out the overwhelmingly large percentage of doctors who aren't making those claims. But whatever man, them gubment guys gonna kill us all with a vaccine - would love to hear the why behind that.
 
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Jessy89 said:
I just don’t think Geert Vanden Bossche would lie. This man is very pro vaccine he has a PHD and well I’ll post his bio. He wouldn’t put his reputation and career on the line if it wasn’t true. Just read his bio


Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD)
Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness. Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines.


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This guy is an MD, listen to him.

https://m.soundcloud.com/zdoggmd/vanden-bossche
 
Which is it? Is this vaccine good for life or does this mutate and require a seasonal vaccine every year?
Lot of folks got lambasted for making the statement this would behave like the seasonal flu and be around forever. Big target on the elderly and health comprimised. Little more potent,but mortality rate way under 1%.
 
Broken024 said:
Eagerly waiting Jesse's rebuttal
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My rebuttal is this I’m going to wait until January to decide for myself and my family on this vaccine. Obviously you have some doctors that say it’s a safe vaccine. But on
The other hand a few are saying it’s dangerous. So ok best way to know for sure wait a while if people start dying then that’s a red flag. And no I’m not gonna buy into it being a mutation or super strain.however we get to January and there no deaths. Then
I suppose it’s a safe vaccine.


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NCSNOW said:
Which is it? Is this vaccine good for life or does this mutate and require a seasonal vaccine every year?
Lot of folks got lambasted for making the statement this would behave like the seasonal flu and be around forever. Big target on the elderly and health comprimised. Little more potent,but mortality rate way under 1%.
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In the US the death rate is sitting at 2%
 
Jon said:
Stop spreading this -------- dude. If you knew the science — you wouldn’t believe it yourself. I literally have 8 years of college. I took courses on biochemistry, immunology, genetics, microbiology, and chemistry. I took graduate level courses in immunology and biochemistry. I know more about vaccines than anyone on this forum. I PROMISE TO YOU this shot isn’t as dangerous as you and these people are making it out to be. This is conspiracy level crap and you need to stop. I’d say it’s laughable but it’s not even funny.

We are so close to getting this behind us.
We need to trust the science.
We need people vaccinated.
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Nobody doubts your education and understanding in your field. We now have a serious trust issue with a very large percentage of the population due to highly educated and knowledgeable people lying to the American public. Working class and non-college educated people have really been given the shaft by government and health officials. This group was "fired" by the shut-downs, deprived of the ability to work to take care of themselves and their families. Forced to wait on stimulus and enhanced unemployment with no idea when the lock-down garbage is going to end, they are seeing first hand, how bad the government management of this virus really is. They were lied to by Fauci about masks, and even he admits that he lied to America for the "greater good" (in his judgement, anyway). Biden's admin is continuing to erode trust and divide people into tribes. They will not achieve more than 65% to 70% compliance with vaccines, in my opinion - best case scenario. That estimate might be generous. There is a good deal of resistance to vaccines already. This is breading an environment where click-bait stuff thrives, but I'm not sure that stuff really convinces anyone to change their minds. I think it's designed to capture the eyes of the anti-vaccine crowd that has swelled due to the distrust. I really don't know how you're going to rebuild trust in the medical industry at this point for this group - outside of a seriously deadly disease where people just don't have a choice (like an airborne Ebola type deadliness). If that comes along, then everybody will be taking the vaccine for it,
guaranteed.

I still want to know what shuts down the cell's production of the protein(s) that these mRNA "vaccines" turn on. Also, is there anyway to know which cells get re-programed to fabricate this protein? What if it's a heart muscle cell? What if your immune system starts attacking these protein makers all over the body? Once turned on, it seems to me that you are left with a low grade auto-immune response for the life of the cell. What if the cell performs cytokinesis? Do the instructions carry on with the new group? There is no way to ignore that these are experimental treatments with unknown long-term side effects. There is just no way to know without a long trial run. Government should never have allowed these treatments to be brought to market. I disagree, strongly, with Trump on Project Warp Speed, by the way. There is ample reason for people to lose faith in government and the medical officials at this point.

As a side note, AstroZeneca's vaccine has been pulled in many European countries now. I expect this type of caution to spread to the other vaccines as Corona naturally fades into the background.
 
weatherfide said:
Nobody doubts your education and understanding in your field. We now have a serious trust issue with a very large percentage of the population due to highly educated and knowledgeable people lying to the American public. Working class and non-college educated people have really been given the shaft by government and health officials. This group was "fired" by the shut-downs, deprived of the ability to work to take care of themselves and their families. Forced to wait on stimulus and enhanced unemployment with no idea when the lock-down garbage is going to end, they are seeing first hand, how bad the government management of this virus really is. They were lied to by Fauci about masks, and even he admits that he lied to America for the "greater good" (in his judgement, anyway). Biden's admin is continuing to erode trust and divide people into tribes. They will not achieve more than 65% to 70% compliance with vaccines, in my opinion - best case scenario. That estimate might be generous. There is a good deal of resistance to vaccines already. This is breading an environment where click-bait stuff thrives, but I'm not sure that stuff really convinces anyone to change their minds. I think it's designed to capture the eyes of the anti-vaccine crowd that has swelled due to the distrust. I really don't know how you're going to rebuild trust in the medical industry at this point for this group - outside of a seriously deadly disease where people just don't have a choice (like an airborne Ebola type deadliness). If that comes along, then everybody will be taking the vaccine for it,
guaranteed.

I still want to know what shuts down the cell's production of the protein(s) that these mRNA "vaccines" turn on. Also, is there anyway to know which cells get re-programed to fabricate this protein? What if it's a heart muscle cell? What if your immune system starts attacking these protein makers all over the body? Once turned on, it seems to me that you are left with a low grade auto-immune response for the life of the cell. What if the cell performs cytokinesis? Do the instructions carry on with the new group? There is no way to ignore that these are experimental treatments with unknown long-term side effects. There is just no way to know without a long trial run. Government should never have allowed these treatments to be brought to market. I disagree, strongly, with Trump on Project Warp Speed, by the way. There is ample reason for people to lose faith in government and the medical officials at this point.

As a side note, AstroZeneca's vaccine has been pulled in many European countries now. I expect this type of caution to spread to the other vaccines as Corona naturally fades into the background.
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There’s a lot of good questions in this post. I’m glad someone is at least asking the questions about the vaccine instead of just ignoring the potential dangers of it. Because this is absolutely experimental. No one knows if the cells that are turned on to supposedly protect you from the virus gets turned off. And in result in some cases that could have a negative affect on ones body. I applaud you for at least considering the fact that there could be dangers in taking this vaccine.


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weatherfide said:
Nobody doubts your education and understanding in your field. We now have a serious trust issue with a very large percentage of the population due to highly educated and knowledgeable people lying to the American public. Working class and non-college educated people have really been given the shaft by government and health officials. This group was "fired" by the shut-downs, deprived of the ability to work to take care of themselves and their families. Forced to wait on stimulus and enhanced unemployment with no idea when the lock-down garbage is going to end, they are seeing first hand, how bad the government management of this virus really is. They were lied to by Fauci about masks, and even he admits that he lied to America for the "greater good" (in his judgement, anyway). Biden's admin is continuing to erode trust and divide people into tribes. They will not achieve more than 65% to 70% compliance with vaccines, in my opinion - best case scenario. That estimate might be generous. There is a good deal of resistance to vaccines already. This is breading an environment where click-bait stuff thrives, but I'm not sure that stuff really convinces anyone to change their minds. I think it's designed to capture the eyes of the anti-vaccine crowd that has swelled due to the distrust. I really don't know how you're going to rebuild trust in the medical industry at this point for this group - outside of a seriously deadly disease where people just don't have a choice (like an airborne Ebola type deadliness). If that comes along, then everybody will be taking the vaccine for it,
guaranteed.

I still want to know what shuts down the cell's production of the protein(s) that these mRNA "vaccines" turn on. Also, is there anyway to know which cells get re-programed to fabricate this protein? What if it's a heart muscle cell? What if your immune system starts attacking these protein makers all over the body? Once turned on, it seems to me that you are left with a low grade auto-immune response for the life of the cell. What if the cell performs cytokinesis? Do the instructions carry on with the new group? There is no way to ignore that these are experimental treatments with unknown long-term side effects. There is just no way to know without a long trial run. Government should never have allowed these treatments to be brought to market. I disagree, strongly, with Trump on Project Warp Speed, by the way. There is ample reason for people to lose faith in government and the medical officials at this point.

As a side note, AstroZeneca's vaccine has been pulled in many European countries now. I expect this type of caution to spread to the other vaccines as Corona naturally fades into the background.
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I’d need specific examples of what cells you’re taking about. Cells all have names, it would help me answer if you explained the names or maybe just send me what video or website you read.

The mRNA vaccines that people are so scared of are just a nano particle lipid layer holding mRNA that codes for the spike protein. What I don’t understand, is how people can convince themselves that it is more dangerous than the virus itself.

Getting the virus naturally exposes the body to a ton of this mRNA. In fact, the virus is literally replicating uncontrolled with no innate immunity — less you’ve had corona viruses before. It’s sitting there, in your body, replicating for up to 2 weeks before you show symptoms.

The vaccine only makes spike proteins, which are eventually destroyed by your immune system.

The virus from natural infection replicates entire virus cells, which collectively have millions of spike proteins. In some of the sickest patients, these cells attack the lungs and no matter the state of the art treatment, these patients die.

Why does one prefer to take a chance here over the vaccine? If 99% of doctors are getting the vaccine themselves, they’re not working with the government and lying. They work for their community just like I work for my community and expose myself to covid every day. In fact, I got it from work, so I take the articles that advocate for falsehoods personally.

I understand skeptical people, but some of the articles are entirely out of touch with reality and outright false.
 
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