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weatherfide said:
Well it could be that wearing a mask or face covering is contributing to infection. Maybe surface contamination is much more conducive to transmission. When you adjust, remove and don your mask, you increase the chances of moving some virus from your hands to your face, where it really wants to enter your system. Look at where people store their masks and how long they wear them. There is no way those things are staying sanitary. Masks are useless. If you want to reduce your chance of contracting the virus, you have to wear a full hazmat suit with it's own source of oxygen. Cases don't matter because testing is terribly unreliable, asymptomatic spread is very minimal, and proximity to someone who has tested positive is counted as a "case", so whether we have many more or not is irrelevant. Where are we on excess deaths? Time to check the stats at the CDC.
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Anything is possible as many don't do things the way they're supposed to be done. Regardless, correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation obviously and that's my main point.
 
SD said:
I did all my shopping online. I know they made sure to take tax there too :(
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I think its more than online vs in person shopping. People looking down the barrel of a long protracted lock down won't be as joyous, and will be worried about economy retracting in response. Thus people will spend less money.
 
smast16 said:
I think its more than online vs in person shopping. People looking down the barrel of a long protracted lock down won't be as joyous, and will be worried about economy retracting in response. Thus people will spend less money.
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This is deep but I agree. I rode by some of the big box stores on black Friday. They were packed
 
metwannabe said:
Valid points but I never hear anything about surges after mass protest/riots and presidential victory celebrations.
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Spot on!

And the Hollidays excuse??? Thanksgiving was 6 days ago, but this MSM news feed has been the same for the past 4+ weeks.
Sorry but the "science" of realville own personal observations, eye test have no faith in the mask deterent point of view. Now clean hands, 6 feet. That one makes perfect sense.
 
GaWx said:
What nobody knows is how many cases would there now be without masks. I think you and others here are smart enough to realize that there could have been a much higher number of cases had there been no mask wearing. Correlation is not at all equivalent to causation but I shouldn't have to tell you folks this as that's stating the obvious.
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How many cases would there not be with mask? 2 sided coin and post above explains well. I touch my face continously adjusting,removing the thing. Not grabbing a new one evrytime. Counter productive imo. Yields more risk and very little,if any reward. Giving false sense of security. Data suggest it compounds problem to me
 
NCSNOW said:
How many cases would there not be with mask? 2 sided coin and post above explains well. I touch my face continously adjusting,removing the thing. Not grabbing a new one evrytime. Counter productive imo. Yields more risk and very little,if any reward.
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That is possible for some folks. But we also know that at least the concept of them helping is real if done correctly. Otherwise, why would docs and nurses wear them? This is not a new concept..
 
NCSNOW said:
How many cases would there not be with mask? 2 sided coin and post above explains well. I touch my face continously adjusting,removing the thing. Not grabbing a new one evrytime. Counter productive imo. Yields more risk and very little,if any reward. Giving false sense of security. Data suggest it compounds problem to me
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From the CDC (if you trust them), Georgia has been about "average" (average = 1,680/week) deaths from all causes since late September. CV deaths have dropped dramatically. Some people still want to lock GA down again. If so, it ain't about the virus.
 
NCSNOW said:
How many cases would there not be with mask? 2 sided coin and post above explains well. I touch my face continously adjusting,removing the thing. Not grabbing a new one evrytime. Counter productive imo. Yields more risk and very little,if any reward. Giving false sense of security. Data suggest it compounds problem to me
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Masks have always been known to do a much better job of reducing one's chance of spreading the virus assuming they already have it vs reducing one's chance of getting it. So, they do a better job of protecting others than protecting yourself. So, I agree that they will give some a false sense of security.
 
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If the virus exists on the mask because it filtered the virus from entering your body how did the mask not do it's job and how is it the fault of said mask if someone self contaminates by touching their face or the mask?
 
GaWx said:
That is possible for some folks. But we also know that at least the concept of them helping is real if done correctly. Otherwise, why would docs and nurses wear them? This is not a new concept..
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I think the main focus for surgical masks is to keep an accidental sneeze or fluid emission from reaching a patient. You're not going to stop a virus. Also, I think if you are symptomatic and have to be around people, the mask would help reduce your spreading while coughing, sneezing, etc. You need the full hazmat suit and follow proper protocols to really stop it. Look at what they did for Ebola. That's what you need. Everybody would have to wear them, all the time, when near people.

Everything else is just to make people feel good or to possibly easily identify the liberty/freedom loving rebels-the non-compliant.
 
SD said:
If the virus exists on the mask because it filtered the virus from entering your body how did the mask not do it's job and how is it the fault of said mask if someone self contaminates by touching their face or the mask?
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If the premise is correct, then it may be a plausible reason why masks might only be marginally effective, assuming the virus is airborne. I would guess that 99% of mask-wearers don't even come close to proper removal and disposal of PPE. It may not be 99% in reality, but it's close and unlikely to change.
 
GaWx said:
What nobody knows is how many cases would there now be without masks. I think you and others here are smart enough to realize that there could have been a much higher number of cases had there been no mask wearing. Correlation is not at all equivalent to causation but I shouldn't have to tell you folks this as that's stating the obvious.
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Apparently the governor of California the mayor of San Francisco and the mayor of San Jose California arent scared without a mask. They just like making the rules.
 
SD said:
If the virus exists on the mask because it filtered the virus from entering your body how did the mask not do it's job and how is it the fault of said mask if someone self contaminates by touching their face or the mask?
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Now your talking about the mask material and whether it actually filters the tiny particles that the virus is attached to. Only some masks do this for inhalation. None filter exhaust. I think we are discussing the macro application and whether a mask mandate is efficacious to slow the spread, not the actual effectiveness of the mask material. If you circumvent the filter, what's the point of having a filter?

I think many wearers circumvent the filters, unaware that they are doing it.
 
GaWx said:
That is possible for some folks. But we also know that at least the concept of them helping is real if done correctly. Otherwise, why would docs and nurses wear them? This is not a new concept..
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That's true and I see this argument often, however I will just counter by adding those same medical professionals wear gloves, gowns, usually more than one mask and even shields, use new sterile PPE multiple times throughout the day. So yeah it's not wise to blanketly say "mask don't work" but for the general public, unless we are going to go around all day dressed head to toe like medical professionals, it's not nearly as effective. And I dare say it creates a false security, often resulting in less social distancing and more touching of items, face, etc etc that certainly can lead to additional spread.
 
Sad day today.

2nd most deaths on record. 2,600

Unprecedented hospitalizations. 98,600 Almost 100,000 hospitalized.

Cases don't matter. But hospitalizations and deaths do. Only 5 ICU beds left in my GA community of hospitals NGHS. Highest number of patients they've had since the pandemic started. https://www.nghs.com/covid-19/latest-covid-19-data This is the Hall County, GA and surrounding area.

www.cnn.com

Hospitals stretched beyond 'reasonable limit' as number of Covid-19 patients reaches 100,000

The total number of coronavirus deaths reported in a day set a new record Wednesday and hospitalizations also reached an all-time high, and doctors and nurses across the US are trying to find creative ways to handle the surging number of patients.
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weatherfide said:
Now your talking about the mask material and whether it actually filters the tiny particles that the virus is attached to. Only some masks do this for inhalation. None filter exhaust. I think we are discussing the macro application and whether a mask mandate is efficacious to slow the spread, not the actual effectiveness of the mask material. If you circumvent the filter, what's the point of having a filter?

I think many wearers circumvent the filters, unaware that they are doing it.
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I'm not sure if you use this site for your county Covid-19 statistics but it seems like a good resource. Currently 153 hospitalized in Fayette County.

thecitizen.com

Nov. 30 pandemic report: Fayette adds 28 cases today, 481 during November - The Citizen

Here’s the Covid-19 pandemic report from the Georgia Department of Public Health as of 2:50 p.m., Nov. 30: THE NUMBERS: Fayette cases — 2,702 (+28 new cases more than the previous …
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Nerman said:
I'm not sure if you use this site for your county Covid-19 statistics but it seems like a good resource. Currently 153 hospitalized in Fayette County.

thecitizen.com

Nov. 30 pandemic report: Fayette adds 28 cases today, 481 during November - The Citizen

Here’s the Covid-19 pandemic report from the Georgia Department of Public Health as of 2:50 p.m., Nov. 30: THE NUMBERS: Fayette cases — 2,702 (+28 new cases more than the previous …
thecitizen.com
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Yeah, we had an emergency about a month ago, broken wrist, we were in and out of the ED in about two hours. It’s not stressing the system at all. Hospitals want to keep the beds at eighty percent to keep the receivables up. Part of the problem with free market health care.
 
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