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Broken024 said:
Lol don't get your panties in a twist because I said walking around with your gun is pointless.
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Whatever. I’ve carried a weapon since I started active duty in 1989. I retired in 2017 and it’s just a part of my daily routine. Just because you think it’s pointless it doesn’t make it so.
 
EmersonGA said:
Come work in some of the areas I do and you may reconsider that.
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Tell me about it , my neighbors house ... the house directly in front of mine in my narrow road subdivision ... was shot up not once but twice . The FBI also busted in at 2 am and dragged two of them through my yard into dark SUVs . To this day I have no idea what they did .
 
Broken024 said:
.00058% chance of being murdered in thr US annually. I'd bet a large chunk of that is domestic/gang related. I stand by my point that carrying a weapon has any statistical increase in your safety vs a mask.
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Yeah, because you’re one of those “guns are bad” people.
 
Shaggy said:
This is why China tests an entire city of 11 million in a week when they have a cluster of 12 cases. Mass testing is the best way out of this.

www.yahoo.com

Rapid testing 75% of a city every 3 days could 'drive the epidemic toward extinction' within 6 weeks, a new study claims

Testing most of a city's population every three days would reduce infections by 88%, a study from Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health and the University of Colorado Boulder claims.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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Daniel Horwitz article says not so.
Beginning in May, the Chinese government conducted the largest mass testing for COVID-19 of anywhere on the globe. Out of 10 million people tested in Wuhan, just 300 were positive and were all asymptomatic. None of them spread it to their contacts. That is zero out of 1,174 contacts. According to the study, published in Nature Communications, none of those who tested positive produced live virus in the cultures. This explains very easily why none of them seemed to infect others.

We can dismiss this at our own peril simply because the study came from China, but let's not forget that the Chinese stand to benefit from the rest of the world panicking over asymptomatic spread and purchasing more personal protection equipment, a market dominated by Chinese companies. Moreover, this study harmonizes with other research and the prevailing common sense for decades.

Dr. Fauci himself, before this became political and a tool for control, stated very emphatically that "the driver of outbreaks is always a symptomatic person." "Even if there is some asymptomatic transmission, in all the history of respiratory viruses of any type, asymptomatic transmission has never been the driver of outbreaks," said Fauci in a January 28 press conference.

The World Health Organization said in May that asymptomatic spread was "very rare." Then, like any time a major scientific figure reveals the truth, the WHO suddenly recanted that position when the media raised a howl.

A U.S.-based study from the University of Florida, Gainesville, Department of Biostatistics, observed similar low rates of transmission among the asymptomatic. Researchers found symptomatic individuals transmitted the virus at rates 28 times higher than asymptomatic individuals. Another Chinese study from May found very weak transmission capability among asymptomatic infections.

We also know that as many as 50% of flu cases every year are asymptomatic, yet we never panic or assume they are drivers of community spread.

Thus, putting together all the information we have now observed from this virus, paired against "all the history of respiratory viruses of any type," why are we still pushing illegal, illogical, and immoral lockdown policies all based on a premise of mass asymptomatic spread that is rooted in zero evidence?

This study also lays waste to the entire premise of mass testing using high levels of amplification known as "cycle thresholds." What this study shows is that testing asymptomatic people with high cycle thresholds usually means that they merely have traces of the virus in them that are scientifically insignificant. "Virus cultures were negative for all asymptomatic positive and repositive cases, indicating no 'viable virus' in positive cases detected in this study," concluded the authors.

In September, a study on cycle thresholds funded by the French government was published and found that the accuracy of PCR tests using 35 cycles of viral RNA amplification is only about 3%. You know what that means? 97% of those people testing positive are likely false. As the New York Times reported in August, most labs in the U.S. use 40 cycle thresholds! Thus, there are very few people who are actually contagious and most of them have evident symptoms. The notion that perfectly healthy people can't get together for Thanksgiving is insane.
 
tramadoc said:
Must be different in RR. Here? Maybe 1/3 to 1/2 (more on the low side) of the people wear masks. They’ll also get all up on your ass when you stand in line.
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The last part, yes, people always up in my space which bothered me way before covid
 
GaWx said:
But it isn't that simple as you're obviously only free to do these things with limits. Examples of some of the obvious limits: drinking while driving or operating heavy equip, smoking inside buildings, having sex with minors, skydiving into a crowd, driving if too young or old, etc. The common denominator of limits: to avoid harming others. Wearing a mask reduces the chance of harming others by spreading the virus. It isn't so much about whether you get the virus since masks aren't very effective in prevention even though they help.

I assume you wouldn't want these limits to be lifted and thus you really wouldn't want to allow total freedom.
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Heard a medical scientist say the other day on a panel discussion that Wearing a mask does as much to to stop the spread of coronovirus as putting a barbwired fence around your yard to keep out mosquitoes.
 
NCSNOW said:
Heard a medical scientist say the other day on a panel discussion that Wearing a mask does as much to to stop the spread of corovirus as putting a barbwired fence around your yard to keep out mosquitoes.
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I've heard not one but many medial scientists say that a mask, if worn correctly, significantly reduces the volume of virus that comes out into the room from an infected person's mouth/nose.
 
Wearing Mask is all about psychology.


Masks and respirators do not work.

There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol particles.

Furthermore, the relevant known physics and biology, which I review, are such that masks and respirators should not work. It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective dose is smaller than one aerosol particle.

The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history.
 
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GaWx said:
I've heard not one but many medial scientists say that a mask, if worn correctly, significantly reduces the volume of virus that comes out into the room from an infected person's mouth/nose.
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I've heard several that say they're not effective. There's arguments on both sides, right now it doesn't appear to be effective
 
metwannabe said:
I've heard several that say they're not effective. There's arguments on both sides, right now it doesn't appear to be effective
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It does appear to be effective but it is far from 100% (nothing is near 100%) and it also depends on the correct wearing of it. The goal is a reduction in virus coming from mouth/nose. Any reduction is good.
 
Heres the science that never is brought up in the mask debate.
"Furthermore, the relevant known physics and biology, which I review, are such that masks and respirators should not work. It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective dose is smaller than one aerosol particle."
 
I cant wait to see what type of leverage gets applied after the last week of January to mandate taking the vaccine. You dont take it then you want be allowed to do x,y,z fill in the blank.
 
I see the same people that think masks are a waste of time think Trump was robbed. I'm not for mandates to wear them but they definitely work better than doing nothing. Putting your head in the sand and ignoring covid-19 won't make it go away. How do we know how bad it would be right now if nobody wore masks. I would like some ideas to control the spread from anti maskers.
 
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