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metwannabe said:
Yeah I'll get flamed for this but if the mask is basically the end all be all (and that's what many think when they hear leaders say it is "the number one defense against this virus") then why are numbers higher than ever? Yeah yeah yeah there are a few places where someone has been where they didn't see any mask wearing, I'd like to see these places, because everywhere and I mean everywhere I go I see more people wearing mask then ever. Was in Walmart yesterday in RR and I bet 90% had on mask, but yet we are an orange borderline red county??? There's something amiss here imho
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These same people don't wear masks while doing a lot of things like gathering with other folks outside their household, working, sitting at a table out while not actively eating or drinking and talking for several hours. If you don't take these things into account then maybe you would think something was amiss.
 
Steven_1974 said:
These same people don't wear masks while doing a lot of things like gathering with other folks outside their household, working, sitting at a table out while not actively eating or drinking and talking for several hours. If you don't take these things into account then maybe you would think something was amiss.
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Reasons are like spaghettis now. People just throw out a handful at the wall and hope one sticks.
 
Steven_1974 said:
These same people don't wear masks while doing a lot of things like gathering with other folks outside their household, working, sitting at a table out while not actively eating or drinking and talking for several hours. If you don't take these things into account then maybe you would think something was amiss.
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And you watch every single person that wears a mask in a public area when they are at other locations?

Anyway, no mask wearing months ago, numbers went up and we were told we must wear mask, now we have more mask wearing than ever and numbers are skyrocketing.... there's also data on both sides of the argument. I'll also add, that the messaging of mask is such that many become complacent with other things, distancing and touching things/face/etc are part of that. Draconian lock down attempts incoming, you watch.
 
I don't get it anyway. When I'm out and about (which is as little as possible), I've never got up and close with people, I don't breathe in their direction, cough on them, sneeze on them, I mean do the particles travel only 6 ft or 6 freaking blocks?! I detest the mask mandate, I wear when I absolutely have too or if I'm around people I can't keep my distance from sure I'll pull it up over my face but other than that, nope.
Being free has risk. You're free to eat what you like even if the effects could be detrimental to your health, you're free to drink, smoke, go around and have sex with who you like, hike mountains, swim the oceans, skydive, drive a car, sled down a snow covered hill, all of it has some sort of risk. It's called freedom and I'm a little partial to it myself.
 
metwannabe said:
I don't get it anyway. When I'm out and about (which is as little as possible), I've never got up and close with people, I don't breathe in their direction, cough on them, sneeze on them, I mean do the particles travel only 6 ft or 6 freaking blocks?! I detest the mask mandate, I wear when I absolutely have too or if I'm around people I can't keep my distance from sure I'll pull it up over my face but other than that, nope.
Being free has risk. You're free to eat what you like even if the effects could be detrimental to your health, you're free to drink, smoke, go around and have sex with who you like, hike mountains, swim the oceans, skydive, drive a car, sled down a snow covered hill, all of it has some sort of risk. It's called freedom and I'm a little partial to it myself.
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Good grief.....it's like society never learned a thing from the 1918 pandemic. The same people screaming freedom over something as simple as wearing as a mask are also the same people that need to tote a gun with them to go down to Home Depot due to fear.
 
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Steven_1974 said:
Good grief.....it's like society never learned a thing from the 1918 pandemic. The same people screaming freedom over something as simple as wearing as a mask are also the same people that need to tote a gun with them to go down to Home Depot due to fear.
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Not any different from you begging the government to slam rules on us because of ... your fear . Funny how that works huh? At least those people with guns in Home Depot take care of their fear on their own and don’t need others ...unlike you.
 
Lickwx said:
Not any different from you begging the government to slam rules on us because of ... your fear . Funny how that works huh? At least those people with guns in Home Depot take care of their fear on their own and don’t need others ...unlike you.
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Apparently some people need some assistance from the government to do the right thing when it comes to a pandemic because common sense is too hard for them. Especially when inaction by some causes harm to others around them.

Are you against speed limits, wearing seat belts, labor laws, etc too?
 
metwannabe said:
I don't get it anyway. When I'm out and about (which is as little as possible), I've never got up and close with people, I don't breathe in their direction, cough on them, sneeze on them, I mean do the particles travel only 6 ft or 6 freaking blocks?! I detest the mask mandate, I wear when I absolutely have too or if I'm around people I can't keep my distance from sure I'll pull it up over my face but other than that, nope.
Being free has risk. You're free to eat what you like even if the effects could be detrimental to your health, you're free to drink, smoke, go around and have sex with who you like, hike mountains, swim the oceans, skydive, drive a car, sled down a snow covered hill, all of it has some sort of risk. It's called freedom and I'm a little partial to it myself.
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But it isn't that simple as you're obviously only free to do these things with limits. Examples of some of the obvious limits: drinking while driving or operating heavy equip, smoking inside buildings, having sex with minors, skydiving into a crowd, driving if too young or old, etc. The common denominator of limits: to avoid harming others. Wearing a mask reduces the chance of harming others by spreading the virus. It isn't so much about whether you get the virus since masks aren't very effective in prevention even though they help.

I assume you wouldn't want these limits to be lifted and thus you really wouldn't want to allow total freedom.
 
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Steven_1974 said:
Good grief.....it's like society never learned a thing from the 1918 pandemic. The same people screaming freedom over something as simple as wearing as a mask are also the same people that need to tote a gun with them to go down to Home Depot due to fear.
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Well that firearm I carry with me everywhere I go will do far more to protect me than any mask I could ever wear and I'll also use it to protect you if, God forbid, it is ever necessary. You're welcome.
 
We just need more mask wearing!1

See, cases spiked because nobody was wearing a mask yet. Then people started wearing masks, so cases went down. Now more people are wearing masks than ever and cases are at record highs. If we just wore more masks more, then cases would go back down. :rolleyes: What a world we live in.
 
metwannabe said:
Well that firearm I carry with me everywhere I go will do far more to protect me than any mask I could ever wear and I'll also use it to protect you if, God forbid, it is ever necessary. You're welcome.
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The chances of a gun ever being needed to save your life are essentially zero.
 
metwannabe said:
Yeah I'll get flamed for this but if the mask is basically the end all be all (and that's what many think when they hear leaders say it is "the number one defense against this virus") then why are numbers higher than ever? Yeah yeah yeah there are a few places where someone has been where they didn't see any mask wearing, I'd like to see these places, because everywhere and I mean everywhere I go I see more people wearing mask then ever. Was in Walmart yesterday in RR and I bet 90% had on mask, but yet we are an orange borderline red county??? There's something amiss here imho
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Must be different in RR. Here? Maybe 1/3 to 1/2 (more on the low side) of the people wear masks. They’ll also get all up on your ass when you stand in line.
 
GaWx said:
But it isn't that simple as you're obviously only free to do these things with limits. Examples of some of the obvious limits: drinking while driving or operating heavy equip, smoking inside buildings, having sex with minors, skydiving into a crowd, driving if too young or old, etc. The common denominator of limits: to avoid harming others. Wearing a mask reduces the chance of harming others by spreading the virus. It isn't so much about whether you get the virus since masks aren't very effective in prevention even though they help.

I assume you wouldn't want these limits to be lifted and thus you really wouldn't want to allow total freedom.
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I'll give you credit Larry, this argument is 10 times better than the naked man argument you usually go to. With that said it's not exactly the same thing. I'll play along, let's use your drinking and driving example. There aren't limitations of how much you can drink, whether we agree or not, you have the right to drink yourself to a silly stupor every night and blow your entire income on alcohol if you so wish, that's your choice. Of course there are laws against drinking and driving but we don't puts limits on how much one drinks. By your logic we should limit all alcohol sale and consumption, I don't know maybe prohibition, to ensure the safety of everyone. It's the fear of the actions of a few irresponsible individuals that is the catalyst for strict laws/regulations on the responsible. I, and I bet many on here, are responsible citizens with respect to others when in public. But per usual because of the few irresponsible and fear, we think we need to mandate, restrict and regulate the citizens because Gov't knows better.
 
Steven_1974 said:
Good grief.....it's like society never learned a thing from the 1918 pandemic. The same people screaming freedom over something as simple as wearing as a mask are also the same people that need to tote a gun with them to go down to Home Depot due to fear.
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I take a gun everywhere I go because I have a CCW and the 2nd amendment says I can. I’m not scared of a damn thing.
 
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