But but but.. they're too smart to have any common sense so that they make you feel feel like your the dummy.
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Coronavirus (Stay on Topic)
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France reports 12,993 new cases and 117 new deaths.
Italy reports 7,332 new cases and 43 new deaths.
UK reports 19,724 new cases and 137 new deaths.
Jon
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Great points.
I keep seeing this study float around and people are interpreting the data as wearing masks has no benefit versus not wearing masks. I don’t blame folks for interpreting it that way, but it’s incorrect.
People seem to forget the limitations. ALL studies have limitations. You can’t take every study as fact just because it was published. That’s the thing about science, you have to know how to read the trial. Ive mentioned this before but I have a good book recommendation written by my professor Dr. Charles Harring called “Quick Stats” if anyone is interested in learning med lit.
For this study, it wasn’t designed to test mask efficiency vs non-masks. So there’s a lot of issues with those data points.
As for the interpretation that masks don’t work:
-You’re assuming every person has the same exposure
-you’re assuming each subject that answers “always” to mask wearing has the same exact mask, wore the mask “always” and never pulled it down to talk, or took it off at home around infected individuals (hint: they definitely did given familial infection data)
-you’re assuming they wore their masks while eating out...
The truth is people take their masks off to eat and open themselves up for infection with dozens of people around in a closed air system.
What the study found were restaurant-goers are more likely to get covid than people who literally do everything else but go to restaurants. That’s the only thing that’s statistically significant from this study. So the CDC warned people about going to restaurants.
If one wants to draw a conclusion about mask efficiency and whether it helps prevent covid, one would have to generate a large case-control study to do so, with the same mask fittings, and the same exposure(s).
Avalanche
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I wear my mask. So I shouldn't be concerned if anyone else does bc the mask + distancing should keep me from getting it. Right? Rhetorical...Yes.
Point being, you wouldn't get close to someone you know who had covid whether both of you had a mask on or not!!! So it's a null thing to me. Would you trust a 99.9 percent condom to prevent you from getting a STD? Yes? Then go ahead and have a field day having sex with them then.
These preventative measures are so minute to me. Maybe you could make an argument in the right conditions they can aid in prevention, yet even with them you wouldn't get anywhere near either of those scenarios. I'll just stay away from large groups or getting close to anyone. To hell with a darn mask.
Point being, you wouldn't get close to someone you know who had covid whether both of you had a mask on or not!!! So it's a null thing to me. Would you trust a 99.9 percent condom to prevent you from getting a STD? Yes? Then go ahead and have a field day having sex with them then.
These preventative measures are so minute to me. Maybe you could make an argument in the right conditions they can aid in prevention, yet even with them you wouldn't get anywhere near either of those scenarios. I'll just stay away from large groups or getting close to anyone. To hell with a darn mask.
smast16
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You say tomato, I say tomato...
You say
But that's not what the study says. The study says
Community exposure 14 days before illness onset¶ | |||
Shopping | 131 (85.6) | 141 (88.1) | 0.51 |
Home, ≤10 persons | 79 (51.3) | 84 (52.5) | 0.83 |
Restaurant | 63 (40.9) | 44 (27.7) | 0.01 |
that Shopping was by far the largest group... 85% of people who tested positive for Covid went shopping in the 14 days prior to symptoms compared to the 40% who went to a restaurant.
Where in The left column is persons who performed 'X' 14 days prior to testing positive, and the middle column is number of persons who performed 'X' 14 days prior to being sick and having a negative Covid-19 result. The main number is persons reported for each group and the number in parenthesis is percentage of their respective groupings.
Also, of the 107 people who reported going a restaurant only 19 more went to a restaurant and tested positive for covid vs those that went to a restaurant and didn't test positive covid.
That's a barely a 17% increase... but lets shutter a whole industry over a less than 1 in 5 chance.
Just to point out, they did break this down further in the study 81% in the Positive group, and over 97% in the negative group reported that 50% or more of the patrons in the restaurant wore masks ...
Restaurant: others following recommendations such as wearing a face covering or mask of any kind or social distancing (n = 107) | |||
None/A few | 12 (19.0) | 1 (2.3) | 0.03 |
About half/Most | 25 (39.7) | 21 (47.7) | |
Almost all | 26 (41.3) | 22 (50.0) |
(Left column and middle column are the same as above. Pos. Covid on left, and Negative Covid middle with the number of responses as the main number and the percentage of the total in percentage)
Keep in mind this is also limited in scope of the seating in the restaurant per it's own words " Of note, the question assessing dining at a restaurant did not distinguish between indoor and outdoor options."
The problem with studies like these is that people do take them out of context and push them for more than they are. What's not being added here is there are Governors and local government officials using studies like this to make policy about restaurants, Bars, and other forms of employment. You have people reading a single line and taking to twitter for Gotcha liners, when even the studies own numbers don't support its own proclamations.
Like This...
but per their own numbers a few scrolls of the scroll wheel....
Restaurant: others following recommendations such as wearing a face covering or mask of any kind or social distancing (n = 107) | |||
None/A few | 12 (19.0) | 1 (2.3) | 0.03 |
About half/Most | 25 (39.7) | 21 (47.7) | |
Almost all | 26 (41.3) | 22 (50.0) |
Again, as I stated above, that's 81% and 97% reported greater than 50% usage of Masks and social distancing in Restaurants
and of Bars... (Keep in mind, Bars is lumped up with Coffeeshops...
Bar/Coffee shop | 13 (8.5) | 8 (5.0) | 0.22 |
but later on, the word "Coffee shop" is dropped, but the numbers stay the same
Bar: others following recommendations such as wearing a face covering or mask of any kind or social distancing (n = 21) | |||
None/A few | 4 (31.8) | 2 (25.0) | 0.01 |
About half/Most | 7 (53.8) | 0 (0.0) | |
Almost all | 2 (15.4) | 6 (75.0) |
Nice wave of the wand to keep the heat of Starbucks... But yea, 6 people reported the bars / coffee shops didn't have masks on, but 15 did... That surely equates to more likely to see masks at a bar / coffee shop than not seeing masks at a bar / coffee shop.
/Rant
ForsythSnow
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I think you missed the overarching statement that it's just a study. This is not scientific fact. This is a study. All day I can sit here and say studies show if you breathe air and went to a football game you will die but at the end of the day some factors just overlap others or are irrelevant to the exact situation. I can say I wore a mask but got covid blatantly and you'll interpret that as masks don't work. When I tell you that I wore it improperly and went to crowded parties you'll begin to realize that it was my fault for putting myself into worse situations that got me infected over just simply wearing a mask and staying distanced. At the end of the day, the study doesn't account for everything and doesn't seem to say.
NoSnowATL
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Right before the Georgia game too.
GeorgiaGirl
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Peak 2020 and peak Georgia if the game is even still played (as we'll have to see) and Georgia wins.
NoSnowATL
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They will still play.
GeorgiaGirl
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Multiple Bama players are probably going to follow dude.
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