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The president is back to the WH after 4 days since diagnosis, two O2 drops, and steroid treatment...after receiving a antibody cocktail that likely saved his life, and you have no faith in modern medicine?

Early on, research showed mostly ages 65+ were at greatest risk of death from covid.

Early on, probabMarch, we knew 80% of cases were asymptomatic.

So your first two questions I’m not really understanding. That’s nothing new.

This is about avoiding unnecessary death. It’s easy to not think of small percentages as people, but maybe you’d understand if a family member or someone close to you went downhill fast and died from covid. Someone younger and healthier than a grandma or grandpa. Maybe then it would make sense, because I’m not sure why it still isn’t clicking after 6 months. Lucky for us we still have all winter for the light bulb toon.

How do we know it likely saved his life? I heard a doctor on the radio in AL today talking about how he dealt with patients who were older than Trump yet faired better than he did. I’ve read tons online of people who said their 90 year old whatever beat Covid.

It’s not that I have no faith in modern medicine, but that faith has dropped after watching the political theater it has engaged in. I’ve watched it tell me that asymptomatic infections were rare to now it could be 95% or greater. I’ve watched it say to flatten the curve because 5800 people in AL may die in two months to we must stay locked down for the most part until a vaccine which now may not work and can’t be trusted. I’ve seen the predictions that millions would die yet I’ve heard of one case in weeks. I’ve heard that it’s novel and we have no defense against it so everyone is very susceptible, much more than the flu, yet watched it hit my brother in law for a week and never infect his wife(who is high risk) or their four kids in his two week stay at home yet the flu infected all six of us two years ago at the same time.

So yes I’m very dubious.

I’m all for risk mitigation and I didn’t mind the lockdown to slow the spread, but good grief has “science” moved the goal posts.

You may be right about if a family member die of Covid. But I’m sure the family of the 30 year old who died and my boss who almost lost his dad to to the flu in 2017 feel the same way. I’m sure the people who have lost loved ones to suicide feel the same way.
 
For many people it will have to take a relative or someone dying from this to make them take it seriously. That’s the thing, it shouldn’t be political but apparently if you’re for masks, it’s a political statement. If you want to prevent deaths to bide time for a vaccine, you want to ruin the economy because you’re a lib. It can’t be that you want the best for the United States, no, it’s because you’re unpatriotic. Everyone wants instant gratification....instead of coming together for a greater good, let’s prolong this thing as much as possible and ignore guidelines that mitigate, so we can have a slower return to normalcy. When it comes to covid, too many people want their cake and to eat it too. Its wild we’re still here 6 months later. Having the same discussions.
My cousin died from Covid last month. My dad and I had Covid. My dad experiencing a pretty tough dose of it. Through it all, he remains unmoved. We don’t live in constant fear under the guidance of government mandates. It just isn’t in our blood.
 
My cousin died from Covid last month. My dad and I had Covid. My dad experiencing a pretty tough dose of it. Through it all, he remains unmoved. We don’t live in constant fear under the guidance of government mandates. It just isn’t in our blood.
You see it as weakness, got it.

I saw a lot of mask wearing during Trump’s arrival home. From the way some of you guys are crying you would think he stepped out of the chopper coughing on everybody lmao

Show of strength here. I wholeheartedly applaud ??


he looks very strong and healthy!
 
“As the president arrived, he immediately pulled off his mask..”

This his folks, is 100% fake news and is a big reason why people resent the media.
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You see it as weakness, got it.


he looks very strong and healthy!

We agree here. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind he is still having some chest/breathing issues. My case was overall mild but that was the one thing that lingered. I feel his pain there.
 
How do we know it likely saved his life? I heard a doctor on the radio in AL today talking about how he dealt with patients who were older than Trump yet faired better than he did. I’ve read tons online of people who said their 90 year old whatever beat Covid.

It’s not that I have no faith in modern medicine, but that faith has dropped after watching the political theater it has engaged in. I’ve watched it tell me that asymptomatic infections were rare to now it could be 95% or greater. I’ve watched it say to flatten the curve because 5800 people in AL may die in two months to we must stay locked down for the most part until a vaccine which now may not work and can’t be trusted. I’ve seen the predictions that millions would die yet I’ve heard of one case in weeks. I’ve heard that it’s novel and we have no defense against it so everyone is very susceptible, much more than the flu, yet watched it hit my brother in law for a week and never infect his wife(who is high risk) or their four kids in his two week stay at home yet the flu infected all six of us two years ago at the same time.

So yes I’m very dubious.

I’m all for risk mitigation and I didn’t mind the lockdown to slow the spread, but good grief has “science” moved the goal posts.

You may be right about if a family member die of Covid. But I’m sure the family of the 30 year old who died and my boss who almost lost his dad to to the flu in 2017 feel the same way. I’m sure the people who have lost loved ones to suicide feel the same way.

I empathize with those who have lost loved ones to suicide and the strain covid-19 is putting on mental health, but that screams whataboutism. There are countless long lasting effects of shutting down and putting strain on people and families, we just have a different opinion on which one is the greater threat. If only we could see two alternate realities and see if lifting restrictions completely would be far better in the long run. Unfortunately we can’t do that.
 
I empathize with those who have lost loved ones to suicide and the strain covid-19 is putting on mental health, but that screams whataboutism. There are countless long lasting effects of shutting down and putting strain on people and families, we just have a different opinion on which one is the greater threat. If only we could see two alternate realities and see if lifting restrictions completely would be far better in the long run. Unfortunately we can’t do that.

My issue really isn’t restrictions(which can be reasonable)it is the fact that one(the economic and mental damage) is constant and the other(science) is so fluid it can’t decide on one thing or another and flips whenever it needs to keep the panic going. We know more about this virus than we did, we have far better medical treatments than we did, we now know for certain the death rate is super low for most age groups yet our governments using “science” to bring every fear tactic to keep everything locked down.
 
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I don't post in this thread very often, but I've thought a lot recently about each party's take to COVID-19, and have tried to analyze each side's point of view objectively. If this is too political please feel free to delete it. I believe the Democrats are focused on preventing anybody from getting sick. We've seen them encourage, or make it mandatory for people to wear masks. They want to do everything in their power to make sure that there is no major outbreak anywhere until there is a vaccine, keeping people from dying. Even Joe Biden at the debate didn't deny shutting down the economy again just to prevent the worsening of the virus especially during a time when there may be a spike in activity. The pros of that would be a more controlled amount of sickness which is very important! the cons would be a worsening economy and an inconvenience for everybody, with the exception of low-risk states.

The Republicans believe that we should open things back up, and deal with the virus with therapeutics, which is something Trump has voiced heavily too. I would assume that there would still be restrictions to keep things from getting too out of hand, and that would go to the state. I would highly doubt a total reopening would occur. This would allow more people to go back to normal, which would boost the mental health of some people, which in itself is causing death. The pros would be, the economy and mental wellbeing of the people would increase. The cons would be that the virus may be harder to control, and more people may die from COVID-19.

It is important to keep in mind the tone at which people are giving out this information. A good rule of thumb is that if somebody is trying to scare you, then they have an agenda. If you turn on Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC, you will 100% see that. Although even though Trump has been caught downplaying the virus, you can't say he was negative, and all doom and gloom about it. As he said in his address today, "don't let it dominate you, don't be afraid of it," as he further went on to talk about the advancements of medicine. Although to be fair, folks like Biden don't scare people, but rather send words of encouragement to get through this, but the underlying message is to sit tight and wait for a vaccine.

I don't think there is any right answer, the Democrats want to keep everyone inside, although I think they have every right to if they don't want to see anyone get sick. I think Republicans and Trump especially want us to live life to the fullest, and don't let the virus destroy your way of lifestyle, and if you get sick, you'll cross that bridge when you come to it. Keep in mind that the reason the country shut down in the first place, was to gather medical resources so that we can slow the spread, and not turn in to Italy. We have prepared, and now the cause for staying shut down is to not get sick, and I can't speak for people who have lost loved ones to this virus, but I can totally see why they would agree with the Democrats.

I may be wrong, and frequently am, but if anybody has any more opinion/facts to add to my post and the 513pg thread, feel free.
 
This is unreal.

He’s spreading the wrong message about covid, removing the mask and going inside. Assuming the worst is behind him, he got a treatment none of the 200k+ dead Americans would have received. If it is indeed a revolutionary treatment, it isn’t available to the ones who need it. The poorand elderly who are disproportionately affected by covid 19.

As the CDC released updated guidelines today acknowledging covid is airborne, and as we are headed into winter as cases explode globally, this is just the wrong message.

Covid deniers want this to be over, but they’re doing nothing to subvert this pandemic but challenging science and medicine. God help us. One day science will be respected again in this country.

Terrible messaging on his part, if nothing else.
 
I don't post in this thread very often, but I've thought a lot recently about each party's take to COVID-19, and have tried to analyze each side's point of view objectively. If this is too political please feel free to delete it. I believe the Democrats are focused on preventing anybody from getting sick. We've seen them encourage, or make it mandatory for people to wear masks. They want to do everything in their power to make sure that there is no major outbreak anywhere until there is a vaccine, keeping people from dying. Even Joe Biden at the debate didn't deny shutting down the economy again just to prevent the worsening of the virus especially during a time when there may be a spike in activity. The pros of that would be a more controlled amount of sickness which is very important! the cons would be a worsening economy and an inconvenience for everybody, with the exception of low-risk states.

The Republicans believe that we should open things back up, and deal with the virus with therapeutics, which is something Trump has voiced heavily too. I would assume that there would still be restrictions to keep things from getting too out of hand, and that would go to the state. I would highly doubt a total reopening would occur. This would allow more people to go back to normal, which would boost the mental health of some people, which in itself is causing death. The pros would be, the economy and mental wellbeing of the people would increase. The cons would be that the virus may be harder to control, and more people may die from COVID-19.

It is important to keep in mind the tone at which people are giving out this information. A good rule of thumb is that if somebody is trying to scare you, then they have an agenda. If you turn on Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC, you will 100% see that. Although even though Trump has been caught downplaying the virus, you can't say he was negative, and all doom and gloom about it. As he said in his address today, "don't let it dominate you, don't be afraid of it," as he further went on to talk about the advancements of medicine. Although to be fair, folks like Biden don't scare people, but rather send words of encouragement to get through this, but the underlying message is to sit tight and wait for a vaccine.

I don't think there is any right answer, the Democrats want to keep everyone inside, although I think they have every right to if they don't want to see anyone get sick. I think Republicans and Trump especially want us to live life to the fullest, and don't let the virus destroy your way of lifestyle, and if you get sick, you'll cross that bridge when you come to it. Keep in mind that the reason the country shut down in the first place, was to gather medical resources so that we can slow the spread, and not turn in to Italy. We have prepared, and now the cause for staying shut down is to not get sick, and I can't speak for people who have lost loved ones to this virus, but I can totally see why they would agree with the Democrats.

I may be wrong, and frequently am, but if anybody has any more opinion/facts to add to my post and the 513pg thread, feel free.
The highlighted part is 100% correct and was the foundation of the original plan.
 
He was clearly gasping for air in that balcony appearance.

I was initially concerned. However, I later realized he had just seconds before climbed a long flight of stairs to get there and with a mask on top of that. And he wasn’t going up the stairs slowly. Once I realized all of that, my concern turned to being impressed that a 74 year old with COVID-19 handled the stairs with a mask that well. And it wasn’t as if it was major gasping. I guarantee you that if I, who am in excellent health, had just climbed a long flight of stairs with a mask on at the pace he did, I’d be at least as winded as he was!
 
POTUS is no longer experiencing any symptoms from coronavirus.

Ehhh. Even I am not taking this bait. Wait til that low grade fever returns in a couple days. The fatigue will be right on it’s heels. Regardless, go Trump ??
 
Maybe with a stout steroid regimen he will be able to avoid the lingering effects of Covid ??
 
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