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Big issue with cases dropping is that we're testing less, substantially at that.

That definitely could be a issue, but with probables staying low, hospitalizations dropping and CLI across the SE really dropping it at least gives the dropping cases some credence. Wait and see game at this point.
 
Are we seeing a slew of athletes dropping from Covid heart-related issues? I know someone asked this uptrend, but I don't think I saw an answer. And I haven't heard of this happening at scale.

If we're in the middle of hurricane season and a storm hasn't hit us yet, does that mean we shouldn't take precautions just in case one does in fact does come our way? Likewise, why shouldn't we take measures protect the players and those that constantly interact with them? This line of logic makes absolutely no sense on any level whatsoever, and it's rather unsurprisingly the same type of people on a certain side of the political aisle that are more than willing to promulgate this crap that were on the mask denial, open the economy, this is influenza 2.0 train. Sigh.

Furthermore, these heart-related issues are tied into long-term complications and only a small handful of athletes have even contracted covid-19 to begin with, hence, the long-term implying that we likely won't see or realize the impact of said issue in the immediate future, thus just because you haven't seen many athletes suddenly drop w/ related issues doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned about it.

Personally, I'll take the word of advice and guidance of actual medical professionals such as @Jon over random bloggers in here that don't think taking these precautions are a good idea.
 
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If we're in the middle of hurricane season and a storm hasn't hit us yet, does that mean we shouldn't take precautions just in case one does in fact does come our way? Likewise, why shouldn't we take measures protect the players and those that constantly interact with them? This line of logic makes absolutely no sense on any level whatsoever, and it's rather unsurprisingly the same type of people on a certain side of the political aisle that are more than willing to promulgate this crap that were on the mask denial, open the economy, this is influenza 2.0 train. Sigh.

urthermore, these heart-related issues are tied into long-term complications and only a small handful of athletes have even contracted covid-19 to begin with, hence, the long-term implying that we likely won't see or realize the impact of said issue in the immediate future, thus just because you haven't seen many athletes suddenly drop w/ related issues doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned about it.

Personally, I'll take the word of advice and guidance of actual medical professionals such as @Jon over random bloggers in here that don't think taking these precautions are a good idea.
Seems like there are precautions that could be acceptable that would allow athletes to play. I haven't studied all of the proposals around this, but I imagine there are acceptable things that could be done. Also, I'm not sure that it takes years for myocarditis to appear after Covid, which is why I was curious as to whether or not we're seeing any athletes who have contracted Covid suffer from this.
 
Are we testing less because there are less sick people to test? Or are the same type of sick people, that were being tested en masse several weeks ago, not being tested now?

We're testing less in part because a) that's what the Trump admin has always wanted (& this has been stated publicly by him that we need to "slow down the testing please") b) people are fatigued by the virus and likely don't feel like getting tested c) a certain, large subset of the population likes to make basically everything into some convoluted deep-state conspiracy theory and won't get tested because they won't don't want to believe the results and feel it's a waste of time. d) other "unknown" lurking variables

That definitely could be a issue, but with probables staying low, hospitalizations dropping and CLI across the SE really dropping it at least gives the dropping cases some credence. Wait and see game at this point.

I find it really funny how the same people (like yourself) who were quick to brush aside rising numbers of cases and hospitalizations last month when testing rates increased, are the first to immediately buy into a slowdown when testing rates are clearly dropping. Whatever fits your personal agenda.
 
Seems like there are precautions that could be acceptable that would allow athletes to play. I haven't studied all of the proposals around this, but I imagine there are acceptable things that could be done. Also, I'm not sure that it takes years for myocarditis to appear after Covid, which is why I was curious as to whether or not we're seeing any athletes who have contracted Covid suffer from this.

It's already been confirmed to be present in athletes according to ESPN: https://www.espn.com/college-footba...vid-19-fuels-power-5-concern-season-viability
 
The obvious reason that you can't seem to understand is those other sports such as the NHL, NBA, etc are in a "bubble" with extreme restrictions on where they can go, who they can interact with, etc while they're playing, whereas college athletes would not be. Pretty big, glaring difference there.

As for me suggesting you're somehow less enlightened or intelligent, I strongly recommend dropping the strawmen, ad hominem attacks.

Ad hominem attacks? Pot meet kettle... as I recall a significant percentage of your posts on this thread begin or end with a comment that infers your 'opponent' (poster with differing opinion than yours) is of inferior intelligence.

I'm of the opinion that athletic events can be held safely for college students with proper protocols in place. Most major universities have had athletes on campus now for six weeks... actively participating in athletic practices. Non-athlete students are back on campus as well. Will there be positive cases? Yes. Does that mean there shouldn't be any athletics events? In my opinion, no. The university presidents of universities in the ACC, SEC, and BIG12 seem to feel the same way. We'll see how it plays out (literally, in this case)...
 
We're testing less in part because a) that's what the Trump admin has always wanted (& this has been stated publicly by him that we need to "slow down the testing please") b) people are fatigued by the virus and likely don't feel like getting tested c) a certain, large subset of the population likes to make basically everything into some convoluted deep-state conspiracy theory and won't get tested because they won't don't want to believe the results and feel it's a waste of time. d) other "unknown" lurking variables



I find it really funny how the same people (like yourself) who were quick to brush aside rising numbers of cases and hospitalizations last month when testing rates increased, are the first to immediately buy into a slowdown when testing rates are clearly dropping. Whatever fits your personal agenda.
So essentially, the quantifiable impact of a, b, c, and d is indeterminate.

Therefore, my unquantifiable hypothesis of less sick people needing to be tested is just as valid.
 
I find it really funny how the same people (like yourself) who were quick to brush aside rising numbers of cases and hospitalizations last month when testing rates increased, are the first to immediately buy into a slowdown when testing rates are clearly dropping. Whatever fits your personal agenda.

Actually the only buying in to test cases here is the fact that it is being supported by other data. Like this.

I do have an agenda though, it’s called good news.

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Ad hominem attacks? Pot meet kettle... as I recall a significant percentage of your posts on this thread begin or end with a comment that infers your 'opponent' (poster with differing opinion than yours) is of inferior intelligence.

I'm of the opinion that athletic events can be held safely for college students with proper protocols in place. Most major universities have had athletes on campus now for six weeks... actively participating in athletic practices. Non-athlete students are back on campus as well. Will there be positive cases? Yes. Does that mean there shouldn't be any athletics events? In my opinion, no. The university presidents of universities in the ACC, SEC, and BIG12 seem to feel the same way. We'll see how it plays out (literally, in this case)...

This first piece has what exactly to do w/ the conversation at hand? Apparently mods (like @Rain Cold) seem to condone this sort of behavior and ad hominem attacks now, smdh.
 
So if they can check for it, then that's good. It seems like if you've had Covid, they could check you for it and clear you to play or not.

Yep, exactly what the Big12 plans to do...


"Big 12 members have committed to enhanced COVID-19 testing that includes three tests per week in “high contact” sports, like Football, Volleyball and Soccer. Additionally, return to play protocols after positive occurrences will include an EKG, troponin blood test, echocardiogram, and cardiac MRI. Non-conference football opponents must also adhere to COVID-19 testing protocols that conform to Big 12 standards during the week leading up to competition. "

Sounds like a reasonable approach to me...
 
Actually the only buying in to test cases here is the fact that it is being supported by other data. Like this.

I do have an agenda though, it’s called good news.

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Hospitalizations have only been dropping and modestly at that for about 5 days in Alabama, I'd hardly consider that legitimate good news, but rather just statistical noise unless the trend continues and grows stronger.

"Statistical noise is unexplained variability within a data sample. "
 
So essentially, the quantifiable impact of a, b, c, and d is indeterminate.

Therefore, my unquantifiable hypothesis of less sick people needing to be tested is just as valid.

Except it's not because there's basically no data, evidence, or logic to support it and the fact that testing rates are decreasing means we're even further from sampling the true scope and extent of the virus. Try again :)
 
Except it's not because there's basically no data, evidence, or logic to support it and the fact that testing rates are decreasing means we're even further from sampling the true scope and extent of the virus. Try again :)
Testing is down because there are less sick people needing to be tested. Makes sense.
 
Testing is down because there are less sick people needing to be tested. Makes sense.

Are you even going to try to put a single ounce of effort or thought into your posts?

Also, do you really think it's acceptable behavior for a mod to pick sides and single out individual bloggers?
 
Hospitalizations have only been dropping and modestly at that for about 5 days in Alabama, I'd hardly consider that legitimate good news, but rather just statistical noise unless the trend continues and grows stronger.

"Statistical noise is unexplained variability within a data sample. "

A little better trend in Huntsville and UAB, although Tuscaloosa is stable. RMC in Anniston is also dropping although I haven’t looked at Montgomery(although read somewhere it’s dropping) or Mobile.

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