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SD said:
Seems like we have always seen a lag, cases didn't flatline and drop day 1 after the lock down, new cases didn't start ramping up day 1 after reopenings/protests. I say lets see where we are in 2-4 weeks if we are in the same spot or still increasing either A. masks don't work, B. still not enough people take masks seriously. C. we are screwed
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Evidently it’s really hard to get tested now, too. I’m keeping an eye on deaths by all causes to see if the virus is really getting less lethal and more contagious/prevalent in the envrionment. If it is highly distributed now, masks may be of little use as other vectors are much more effective at transmission (touch-for instance).
 
weatherfide said:
The requirement is not to assault people with your nudity. Wearing clothes is a good way to do it, but you can be creative and block people’s view of your nudity in other ways. I don’t know of any clothes mandates. The laws regulate ludeness or nudity. You could hold a barrel over your naked body if you wish. Erect a fence and walk around nude on your own property, etc. so long as their are no unwilling viewers or children that can see you. The local ordinances may vary on this but it’s not a clothes mandate.
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Indecent exposure is what pretty much dictates you must wear clothes. No shirt no shoes no business is a thing for businesses as well. On your own property do whatever as long as you're not running around in sight of people naked. This is a good way for how the masks should work. If you're around a lot of people wear a mask. If you're at home you don't need to. Do it for both yourself and others. Nobody wants to see people naked as much as people don't want the virus. People also don't want to be naked in public as much as they don't want the virus.
 
SD said:
Seems like we have always seen a lag, cases didn't flatline and drop day 1 after the lock down, new cases didn't start ramping up day 1 after reopenings/protests. I say lets see where we are in 2-4 weeks if we are in the same spot or still increasing either A. masks don't work, B. still not enough people take masks seriously. C. we are screwed
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Option C seems to be the most plausible to me. I also don’t trust what other countries are putting out there in regards to their numbers when it comes to this virus.


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weatherfide said:
Evidently it’s really hard to get tested now, too. I’m keeping an eye on deaths by all causes to see if the virus is really getting less lethal and more contagious/prevalent in the envrionment. If it is highly distributed now, masks may be of little use as other vectors are much more effective at transmission (touch-for instance).
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I actually don't disagree with you, is there a saturation point where it becomes impossible to avoid the virus even with a mask?
 
metwannabe said:
It's not the mask, it's how it's being implemented.... there is a difference. I'll say this again for all those sick of hearing it, I apologize, but I wear a mask when I'm in close proximity to others, not because of a gov't mandate but because I feel it's my responsibility. Individual responsibility, yes.... government mandates, no
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Gotcha. Didn't realize government mandates = communism.
 
weatherfide said:
The requirement is not to assault people with your nudity. Wearing clothes is a good way to do it, but you can be creative and block people’s view of your nudity in other ways. I don’t know of any clothes mandates. The laws regulate ludeness or nudity. You could hold a barrel over your naked body if you wish. Erect a fence and walk around nude on your own property, etc. so long as their are no unwilling viewers or children that can see you. The local ordinances may vary on this but it’s not a clothes mandate.
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I’ll take what you said above and change the wording a little. The requirement is not to assault people with your virus in case you’re infected. Wearing masks is a good way to do it, but you can be creative and block people’s spread of your virus in other ways. You could stay out of public places and far enough away from other people when outside.
 
I don't think right now is the time to go by the typical way of "people can govern themselves". It's obviously been shown to be that way as my stubborn dad (who's not on the side of what I alluded to, he's just stubborn because he usually just does not care if he gets sick and at this point really only cares about family), ignored the idea of wearing masks outside of required situations until the Augusta mayor signed an order about that. To him if masks can help avoiding another shut down (which honestly I'm not sold about, but while we're in this camp, I suppose we can keep going on), he's going to wear them in indoor situations and he views it as a harmless deal, so he remains confused at what Kemp is doing.
 
metwannabe said:
I agree but just from my observation, there were vastly larger numbers of individuals wearing mask prior to the mandate then there were in the first month or so, yet numbers continue to increase. I'm sure mask help, I just don't think it's be all end all.
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It would be really interesting to find the sources of the increasing cases. If a large % said yep I sanitized and washed my hands and wore a mask then yeah we could say that our mitigation efforts aren't working. What if though it was all traced back to people who went to protests and out to bars/restaurants or worked in a high risk environment?
 
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GaWx said:
I’ll take what you said above and change the wording a little. The requirement is not to assault people with your virus in case you’re infected. Wearing masks is a good way to do it, but you can be creative and block people’s spread of your virus in other ways. You could stay out of public places and far enough away from other people when outside.
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Exactly, so no need to mandate clothing.
 
GaWx said:
Sounds like he’s in favor of anarchy. I never took him for an anarchist. I thought he was in favor of law and order.
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I think he's in favor of freedom and limited government, not anarchy, though there must be a balance. Anarchy is liberty taken to the extreme and is totally unsustainable if civilizations are to exist. The question is if masks will actually do anything to limit hospital over utilization due to Covid. Stopping the spread was changing the goal posts and government over-reach. You can't put the genie back in the bottle and it's ok if healthy people encounter the virus. A virus mitigation strategy should be focused on personal choice, tailored by individual responsibility and needs, not communal directives - hence the "communism" aspect.
 
whatalife said:
Option C seems to be the most plausible to me. I also don’t trust what other countries are putting out there in regards to their numbers when it comes to this virus.


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Yes, but look at deaths not cases. Cases mean very little if people aren't dying from the disease. You're just tracking a common cold at that point. How can we know if the virus is much less lethal and can be treated as typical flu/cold viruses? I say infection death rate is more important to determine this.
 
weatherfide said:
I think he's in favor of freedom and limited government, not anarchy, though there must be a balance. Anarchy is liberty taken to the extreme and is totally unsustainable if civilizations are to exist. The question is if masks will actually do anything to limit hospital over utilization due to Covid. Stopping the spread was changing the goal posts and government over-reach. You can't put the genie back in the bottle and it's ok if healthy people encounter the virus. A virus mitigation strategy should be focused on personal choice, tailored by individual responsibility and needs, not communal directives - hence the "communism" aspect.
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So, with your concern about freedom, do you think DUI laws should be eliminated? Instead just rely on individuals to be responsible and not drive while on drugs or drunk?
 
metwannabe said:
I was thinking this very thing this morning. Beyond a shadow of a doubt there are far more people wearing mask in the last month then the first 2 months of this pandemic, yet numbers seem to be spiking, record numbers we're told.... so if mask are the answer why aren't numbers coming down?
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When you bring up this cold hard fact, the rebuttal of mask nazis say “just wear the mask it’s not that hard.” The reality is that masks aren’t helping whatsoever.
 
The only answer to this pandemic in my opinion, is to ask high risk individuals to limit their time in crowded spaces or work environments. Stay home. We need to take care of these people. They should be financially covered and taken care of until a vaccine is made available. As for everyone else, back to work. Open everything up. And I mean everything.
 
Jimmy Hypocracy said:
The only answer to this pandemic in my opinion, is to ask high risk individuals to limit their time in crowded spaces or work environments. Stay home. We need to take care of these people. They should be financially covered and taken care of until a vaccine is made available. As for everyone else, back to work. Open everything up. And I mean everything.
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It isn’t that easy. Where do you draw the line at high risk vs not high risk? And then once you determine who is low risk, what do you do if a low risk person lives with a high risk person? Also, you’re relying on the general public to follow your recommendations, but the general public is stupid.
 
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