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American Academy of Pediatrics clarifies stance on reopening schools

The American Academy of Pediatrics recently came out with an updated statement regarding the reopening of schools.
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The bottom line is there should not be a national push to do anything, Trump and others need to STFU and let the local and state agencies make the best decisions for their kids. The virus is affecting different places differently and at the end of the day NO ONE should politicize the return of kids to schools.....the fact that Trump is threatening to withhold federal aid to schools that dont reopen is just ridiculous, this is not something to play around with or treat as a weapon or tool to win or lose points in a election etc.....let the local leaders decide based on conditions in their districts what is best for their kids, in NC they will limit the number of days and kids there are in school on any given day its a solid plan.
 
GaWx said:
Interesting. Opinions?
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I find this telling.

The doctor warned that hospitals are getting crowded not just because of new cases but because hospitals are finally addressing “regular medical care” again. “We have locked that down before and that policy kills people. So we don’t want to go back to that,” he said. Indeed, the original lockdowns often put a halt to all “elective” surgeries, including heart surgeries and cancer treatments.

pjmedia.com

Lifting Lockdowns Not the Culprit Behind New Surge in Coronavirus Cases, Doctor Says

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Downeastnc said:
Trump and others need to STFU and let the local and state agencies make the best decisions for their kids.
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"Trump and others need to STFU and let the local and state agencies make the best decisions for their kids."

Guess what I'm thinking. I'll give you a hint. Five democrat governors did what to the sickest population group in nursing homes? In other words, I don't trust folks just because they're local.
 
CoolNights said:
"Trump and others need to STFU and let the local and state agencies make the best decisions for their kids."

Guess what I'm thinking. I'll give you a hint. Five democrat governors did what to the sickest population group in nursing homes? In other words, I don't trust folks just because they're local.
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I'm really not trying to be political so I hope it's not taken this way I just want people to research the teachers unions and what they are doing in regards to Covid. Not everywhere, but in certain areas of the US.
 
I’m not downplaying the severity of this spike. However, our hospital is almost always at a very high capacity even without this. That is how they make money. So yes, ICU beds are low but they are normally pretty low at least where I work.
 
EmersonGA said:
I’m not downplaying the severity of this spike. However, our hospital is almost always at a very high capacity even without this. That is how they make money. So yes, ICU beds are low but they are normally pretty low at least where I work.
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Yeah my girlfriend is a nurse and she told me that all their systems in place are geared for Covid, and that people that have heart attacks and strokes, ect like normal are not coming in. She works at a larger hospital in Charlotte. I asked her tonight if they have been swamped and she said no more than it was six months ago. But she works in the ER. May be diff.
 
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The virus is affecting every state in a similar pattern to the one evident to the way it spread from Wuhan, which is the epicenter of a migratory province that hosts millions of migrants workers each year. The five states with the worst outbreaks this summer just so happen to be the ones with the most migrant workers, and the area with varying levels of confirmed cases based on zip code demonstrates hotspots that began from migrant communities in late May and early June. Cases spread along routes taken by rural and urban migrant communities in California, Texas, Arizona and Florida to Georgia and North Carolina, and will spread to northern areas in late summer or fall. In fact, Illinois and Michigan have just confirmed hundreds of cases among migrant farmworkers. This explains the hundreds of counties with a disproportionate majority of Covid cases among Hispanic, particularly ones where Hispanic make up 5-20% of the population.
https://illinoisnewsroom.org/at-lea...n-illinois-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19/
www.mlive.com

Michigan migrant farmers caught in coronavirus catch-22 as case counts spike

They work closely in fields swapping tools share and sleep in cramped temporary housing with shared bathrooms and kitchens.
www.mlive.com www.mlive.com

This has been conclusively demonstrated in Florida, where data from multiple counties have shown huge positive rates within suburbs and rural towns that exceed 25%. For example, 15% of people are testing positive in Collier County, but most of these individuals live in enclaves east of Naples, nearer to the migrant community Immokalee that has 1,775 of the 6,731 confirmed cases . Of the more than 4,440 people testing positive in Naples, as much as 2,500 live in areas that are both closer and demographically similar to Immokalee. You literally have Hispanics representing 66% of confirmed cases in a county where they are only 20% of the population. Furthermore, another migrant community in Lee County called Lehigh Acres has a 2,095 confirmed cases out of 10,000 for the entire county, and you also have another 724 and 224 cases in Bonito Springs and Estero, which are along the route from Immokalee. Hendry County has many small migrant communities, and 90% of their cases are Hispanic patients.

This all started in late May and early June. I and others have warned about the issue with migrant workers spreading the virus, and you can see the correlation. Check out the below map. Every area sharing a border with the migrant communities in eastern Collier and Lee, as well as Hendry, Western Broward, West Palm Beach and Miami-Dade, have become hotspots for Covid-19. These hotspots seem to expand through other Hispanic communities with large migrant communities, and jump over areas without migrant communities like Weston and Hamptons at Boca. Cases are less prevalent in Boca Raton, Wilton Manor and Harbor Village while ares with either more migrant communities or foreign vacationers from South and Central America or Canada are in the hotspots. You literally have Homestead, FL with the 10th most cases (4,799) among cities in the state and it's the 47th most populous. It doesn't make sense unless the migrant worker argument holds. 25% of the populace in Homestead is a non-citizen, 35% is foreign-borne, and a third is from central America. Same with Hollywood and Hialeah.
www.clickorlando.com

Interactive map shows coronavirus cases by zip code in Florida

The Florida Department of Health has posted an interactive map showing the coronavirus cases in each zip code in Florida.
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GaWx said:
I got this excellent link from @pcbjr regarding a model from Ga Tech that estimates the risk levels of someone with Covid being at an event based on county and # of people at said event:


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Something about this model looks confusing to me based on this example:

For Chatham County, GA, it says a whopping 43% chance of someone infected with only 10 people at an event. But only ~1% of the residents have been counted as a COVID case and, moreover, many of them have recovered by now. How could just 10 people at an event add to 43% chance of someone infected at event? Can anyone explain this?
 
Tornadocane said:
The virus is affecting every state in a similar pattern to the one evident to the way it spread from Wuhan, which is the epicenter of a migratory province that hosts millions of migrants workers each year. The five states with the worst outbreaks this summer just so happen to be the ones with the most migrant workers, and the area with varying levels of confirmed cases based on zip code demonstrates hotspots that began from migrant communities in late May and early June. Cases spread along routes taken by rural and urban migrant communities in California, Texas, Arizona and Florida to Georgia and North Carolina, and will spread to northern areas in late summer or fall. In fact, Illinois and Michigan have just confirmed hundreds of cases among migrant farmworkers. This explains the hundreds of counties with a disproportionate majority of Covid cases among Hispanic, particularly ones where Hispanic make up 5-20% of the population.
https://illinoisnewsroom.org/at-lea...n-illinois-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19/
www.mlive.com

Michigan migrant farmers caught in coronavirus catch-22 as case counts spike

They work closely in fields swapping tools share and sleep in cramped temporary housing with shared bathrooms and kitchens.
www.mlive.com www.mlive.com

This has been conclusively demonstrated in Florida, where data from multiple counties have shown huge positive rates within suburbs and rural towns that exceed 25%. For example, 15% of people are testing positive in Collier County, but most of these individuals live in enclaves east of Naples, nearer to the migrant community Immokalee that has 1,775 of the 6,731 confirmed cases . Of the more than 4,440 people testing positive in Naples, as much as 2,500 live in areas that are both closer and demographically similar to Immokalee. You literally have Hispanics representing 66% of confirmed cases in a county where they are only 20% of the population. Furthermore, another migrant community in Lee County called Lehigh Acres has a 2,095 confirmed cases out of 10,000 for the entire county, and you also have another 724 and 224 cases in Bonito Springs and Estero, which are along the route from Immokalee. Hendry County has many small migrant communities, and 90% of their cases are Hispanic patients.

This all started in late May and early June. I and others have warned about the issue with migrant workers spreading the virus, and you can see the correlation. Check out the below map. Every area sharing a border with the migrant communities in eastern Collier and Lee, as well as Hendry, Western Broward, West Palm Beach and Miami-Dade, have become hotspots for Covid-19. These hotspots seem to expand through other Hispanic communities with large migrant communities, and jump over areas without migrant communities like Weston and Hamptons at Boca. Cases are less prevalent in Boca Raton, Wilton Manor and Harbor Village while ares with either more migrant communities or foreign vacationers from South and Central America or Canada are in the hotspots. You literally have Homestead, FL with the 10th most cases (4,799) among cities in the state and it's the 47th most populous. It doesn't make sense unless the migrant worker argument holds. 25% of the populace in Homestead is a non-citizen, 35% is foreign-borne, and a third is from central America. Same with Hollywood and Hialeah.
www.clickorlando.com

Interactive map shows coronavirus cases by zip code in Florida

The Florida Department of Health has posted an interactive map showing the coronavirus cases in each zip code in Florida.
www.clickorlando.com www.clickorlando.com
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holy sheeit! You're actually trying to blame migrant workers for the recent spread of disease? Wow, you're truly a specimen.
 
GaWx said:
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www.ajc.com

Cases of coronavirus disease surging along Georgia’s coast

Glynn County — home to popular beach getaways that attract tourists from across the nation — has become a hot spot for the coronavirus disease, according to an Atlanta Journal-Constitution analysis of state health data.
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A week or two after protests over Ahmed Arbrery started in late May and early June, both Glynn and Camden County Georgia have experienced rises in confirmed cases. This has nothing to do with beaches. The epicenter of the rise is in Brunswick, GA, where 850 people tested positive out of a population of 15,000. Savannah is ten times the size of Brunswick and cases only rose 1,500. We can see from the graph that Covid-19 started to rise way before July 4th.
https://www.wtoc.com/2020/07/14/ga-dph-reports-new-cases-covid-tuesday/

In fact, the increase in Savannah lines up with with protests that were occurring on June 15th through the 20th. Even the local paper sites the protests as trigger for increased cases.
www.savannahnow.com

Chatham County COVID-19 cases climbing following protests, holiday

Savannah area sees steady uptick in COVID-19 cases in weeks after protests and the Memorial Day holiday
www.savannahnow.com

This nonsense about beaches is just to distract people from the real issue with the idea that you can get Covid-19 from the beach. It's doubtful you'll contract Covid-19 from sitting on a beach with family or friends that haven't contracted the disease, because the wind, humidity, and sun will likely protect you from airborne pathogens, especially if you aren't tightly packed in with groups. You aren't going to get it from swimming in the warm, salty water. That's a different virus. The best way to get Covid-19 is by going to a protest with other people that don't wear masks in a confined space like a square or street. There are less environmental protections, and increased contact between people that are opening their mouths to yell and spit into another person's mouth.
 
SETNwx said:
holy sheeit! You're actually trying to blame migrant workers for the recent spread of disease? Wow, you're truly a specimen.
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Michigan, New York and Illinois are blaming migrant workers, and numerous countries are finding containment difficult with their migrant worker populace. There is no doubt that migrant workers are a significant part of the spread in California, Texas, and Florida, and hotspots have been created along the highways that are used for migrating to different states. There are numerous examples in the world of spread via migratory cities and provinces, such as China, Iran, Lebanon, Mongolia etc. There are thousands of news articles. I had even mentioned this issue a couple months ago when cases were popping up in migrant communities across South Florida, and there's a dozen or so small towns to the West of Miami and East of Naples that have a quarter of their populace testing positive for Covid-19.

The issue is not that there's migrant workers, but that there needs to be some regulation and supervision of migrant workers who are traveling across multiple state lines. Efforts have been made to send contact tracers, translators and doctors into these communities, but the issue of locating these widespread groups is extremely difficult.
 
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In California, "Farmworkers are greatly overrepresented among those diagnosed with COVID-19. In Monterey County, the Alisal is the center of the coronavirus outbreak. About a third of the patients in Monterey County live in the 93905 ZIP code, where Flores Contreras resides, even though just 14% of the county’s population lives there."
www.abc10.com

Close Quarters: California’s overcrowded homes fuel spread of coronavirus among workers

According to an analysis of housing and health data, the poorest zip codes with the most people living in crowded are suffering the most from the coronavirus.
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WSJ reports that Covid-19 seems to be spreading out from migrant worker communities.
www.wsj.com

Opinion | California’s Second Shutdown

Gov. Newsom succumbs to pressure and locks the economy again.
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In Arizona, "Ducey also said the state is monitoring Santa Cruz and Yuma counties, which are along the state’s southern border with Mexico, because they are “areas of significant spread,” he said. Most new cases are coming from Maricopa County, which is the state’s most populous and urban county, Ducey said. But he said Santa Cruz and Yuma counties have the highest percent of people testing positive, with 31% and 20% of all tests coming back positive in both counties, respectively."

It isn't just illegal migrants. Citizens that migrate for work are also spreading it around.
www.willistonherald.com

Coronavirus cases at Hess plant were related to out-of-state workers

An outbreak reported recently at the Tioga Gas Plant involved out-of-state contractors who were building out a $150 million expansion of the Hess facility, according to information heard during the
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1,500, mostly migrant, workers test positive for covid-19 at German meat-packing. Before that incident there was 70 migrant workers in an apartment building in Berlin that tested positive.

Germany: 1,500 workers test positive for COVID-19 at meat-processing plant; company criticised for "failure" to protect workers - Business & Human Rights Resource Centre

www.business-humanrights.org www.business-humanrights.org
 
CNA at my wifes work tested positive over the weekend. She worked 3 shifts last week and contracted it at a 4th of July party from her brother.
 
Downeastnc said:
Facts....

www.clickorlando.com

American Academy of Pediatrics clarifies stance on reopening schools

The American Academy of Pediatrics recently came out with an updated statement regarding the reopening of schools.
www.clickorlando.com www.clickorlando.com


The bottom line is there should not be a national push to do anything, Trump and others need to STFU and let the local and state agencies make the best decisions for their kids. The virus is affecting different places differently and at the end of the day NO ONE should politicize the return of kids to schools.....the fact that Trump is threatening to withhold federal aid to schools that dont reopen is just ridiculous, this is not something to play around with or treat as a weapon or tool to win or lose points in a election etc.....let the local leaders decide based on conditions in their districts what is best for their kids, in NC they will limit the number of days and kids there are in school on any given day its a solid plan.
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I dont see the difference between a kid spending everyday in school verse every other day. Not gonna matter a hill of beans. Eitheir stay completely out or just go. You will get just as much spread off everyday attendance as you will rotating kids in and out in cycles.
 
Know first hand of several college players who tested posotive. All but 1 was asymptomatic, had no idea. Other one said he had a fever for half a day about a week ago. Hear this alot from that age group.
Just like the deaths in America. What is it like 40 to 60% came from the NYC metro area. Same like 50 to 65% of deaths nationwide due to corono are from nursing homes throughout whole event. Anyone seen a breakdown of the demographics lately?
 
NCSNOW said:
I dont see the difference between a kid spending everyday in school verse every other day. Not gonna matter a hill of beans. Eitheir stay completely out or just go. You will get just as much spread off everyday attendance as you will rotating kids in and out in cycles.
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I believe the plan is to have less kids per class to reduce exposure. I think you're right, it should be all or nothing. If it's too dangerous for everyone to go together, schools should be closed.
 
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