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When I posted the virus is losing its punch, I stand by it. No its not disappearing and no its not less contagious. I am in the camp its more contagious,but doesnt have the death blow it had early on. Mutating in a way so it can hang on, find more host to infect at the expense of being so deadly or severe. Hope that helps you webb.
 
I’m currently reading “The Great Influenza” by John Barry. I highly recommend this book. It’s about the 1918 flu pandemic. What caught my attention is how that virus started out as a very lethal virus in Kansas in spring 2018 but then it became less virulent through the summer as it spread worldwide (thanks to the US Army). But suddenly and without warning it became extremely deadly again in September 2018 and it continued to ebb and flow for the rest of the pandemic.

I don’t know if the coronavirus could do something similar; probably not but it’s worth noting anyway.
 
NCSNOW said:
When I posted the virus is losing its punch, I stand by it. No its not disappearing and no its not less contagious. I am in the camp its more contagious,but doesnt have the death blow it had early on. Mutating in a way so it can hang on, find more host to infect at the expense of being so deadly or severe. Hope that helps you webb.
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Do you also believe the virus is close to losing its “epidemic” status as you stated a few weeks ago?

I hate to break it to you, but when not only deaths, but case counts & the unreported number of people who suffer permanent lifelong complications from this virus, continue to increase with no long term sign of the actual rates changing for the better, sorry but the virus is not losing its punch. Maybe in your upside down, make believe version of the world it is, but for those of us who actually live in it and have the slightest clue about what’s going on, it isn’t.
When a vaccine is developed, deaths and case counts are falling and we don’t have to institute extreme social distancing measures to contain the virus, only then will it actually have lost its punch.

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It can't be stressed enough that death counts & %ages don't tell the whole story, the often overlooked, long-term, severe, and potentially permanent complications from contracting covid-19 are something we're still learning about, but some of the initial findings are rather grim, including this recent one:

"Heart scans of Covid-19 patients show range of abnormalities Edinburgh University team find heart damage in 55% of ultrasounds from 69 countries"

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-seriously-damage-heart-study-suggests-085800292.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMtZ2kz5yuiebbhYFN66s0i13BP8gBqs8nZHkVu9AViTWY3RzhKl_i1Jn-dKrTPBVE28RdlXg1CaOuZJ5tDIA_8mpF88Xc4aVQv80p6EOCFRhdIqI1uAkjQE-pKOEBGAi6TfVqgu-f42ZV9aUQ0V4r66uyeNxukgqMTWB346Xkf4

Definitely sounds like covid is "losing its punch" :rolleyes:
 
Webberweather53 said:
It can't be stressed enough that death counts & %ages don't tell the whole story, the often overlooked, long-term, severe, and potentially permanent complications from contracting covid-19 are something we're still learning about, but some of the initial findings are rather grim, including this recent one:

"Heart scans of Covid-19 patients show range of abnormalities Edinburgh University team find heart damage in 55% of ultrasounds from 69 countries"

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-seriously-damage-heart-study-suggests-085800292.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMtZ2kz5yuiebbhYFN66s0i13BP8gBqs8nZHkVu9AViTWY3RzhKl_i1Jn-dKrTPBVE28RdlXg1CaOuZJ5tDIA_8mpF88Xc4aVQv80p6EOCFRhdIqI1uAkjQE-pKOEBGAi6TfVqgu-f42ZV9aUQ0V4r66uyeNxukgqMTWB346Xkf4

Definitely sounds like covid is "losing its punch" :rolleyes:
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You can make your point without all of the sarcasm. I understand that this can be an emotional topic, but please try and stop with the berating tone. You do a great job presenting data and making your case with information. The constant back-handed comments and eye rolls are unnecessary.
 
I know early on hospitalization rates were running around 20%. If this number remains the same with this new explosion of cases then as we reach that 8 to 12 day range in infections when its reported most people take a turn for the worse we should see a big spike.

I believe treatment options are better than before so hopefully we can keep deaths down to some degree.
 
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You can make your point without all of the sarcasm. I understand that this can be an emotional topic, but please try and stop with the berating tone. You do a great job presenting data and making your case with information. The constant back-handed comments and eye rolls are unnecessary.
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Umm, anyone that continues to insist that covid-19 is "losing its punch" while cases, hospitalizations, and deaths continue to skyrocket (especially the former of the two), and hospitals begin to become overloaded w/ patients, and we're nowhere close to having this contained or a vaccine ready, not to mention we're only a few months away from the onset of the cold/flu season, you 100% deserve every eye roll, berating, & condescension that comes your way because this is actually a matter of life and death for many. Pardon my french, but any suggestion that the situation or the virus are getting better or less severe is utter fantasy and downright idiotic at this point.

I'm not going to hold my tongue and sugar coat or gloss over the grim reality here and the pure nonsensical bs that some have incessantly spewed in this thread since this past spring, I tell it like it is and how I see it, and I have 0 patience for the kind of crap that's been posted above by @NCSNOW and if that steps on someone's toes or hurts certain individual's feelings, so be it, because covid certainly doesn't discriminate or care about your feelings
 
Webberweather53 said:
Umm, anyone that continues to insist that covid-19 is "losing its punch" while cases, hospitalizations, and deaths continue to skyrocket (especially the former of the two), and hospitals begin to become overloaded w/ patients, and we're nowhere close to having this contained or a vaccine ready, not to mention we're only a few months away from the onset of the cold/flu season, you 100% deserve every eye roll, berating, & condescension that comes your way because this is actually a matter of life and death for many. Pardon my french, but any suggestion that the situation or the virus are getting better or less severe is utter fantasy and downright idiotic at this point.

I'm not going to hold my tongue and sugar coat or gloss over the grim reality here and the pure nonsensical bs that some have incessantly spewed in this thread since this past spring, I tell it like it is and how I see it, and I have 0% patience for the kind of crap that's been posted above by @NCSNOW and if that steps on someone's toes or hurts certain individual's feelings, so be it, because covid certainly doesn't discriminate or care about your feelings
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Well as I said, you can make your point and not gloss over it and not hold your tongue with data, information, and analysis. But time and again, we have asked people to be respectful of others and express disagreements in a mature way. Otherwise, we have seen time and again, especially in this and the political thread, that constructive conversation gives way to insults and jabs back and forth. You can effectively make your point without calling people or implying people are idiots. That seems reasonable.
 
Rain Cold said:
Well as I said, you can make your point and not gloss over it and not hold your tongue with data, information, and analysis. But time and again, we have asked people to be respectful of others and express disagreements in a mature way. Otherwise, we have seen time and again, especially in this and the political thread, that constructive conversation gives way to insults and jobs back and forth. You can effectively make your point without calling people or implying people are idiots. That seems reasonable.
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Huh? What disagreements? What is there to actually argue about here?

Last time I checked, cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are still increasing at an alarming rate, but yea covid might be "losing its punch"? Really?

Posts like that aren't "opinion" or to be argued about, they are just downright wrong in every sense of the word.


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Webberweather53 said:
Do you also believe the virus is close to losing its “epidemic” status as you stated a few weeks ago?

I hate to break it to you, but when not only deaths, but case counts & the unreported number of people who suffer permanent lifelong complications from this virus, continue to increase with no long term sign of the actual rates changing for the better, sorry but the virus is not losing its punch. Maybe in your upside down, make believe version of the world it is, but for those of us who actually live in it and have the slightest clue about what’s going on, it isn’t.
When a vaccine is developed, deaths and case counts are falling and we don’t have to institute extreme social distancing measures to contain the virus, only then will it actually have lost its punch.

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That wasnt me stating it. That was an article saying the wHO was about to reclassify it because the mortality rate had dropped so low. Wouldnt qualify it. Not sure of there metric , but they have one
 
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That wasnt me stating it. That was an article saying the wHO was about to reclassify it because the mortality rate had dropped so low. Wouldnt qualify it. Not sure of there metric , but they have one
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So, do you think Webb is making good points? I wish he'd be more civil in making those good points though. We don't want this to degenerate to the level of AmericanWx's political forum of name calling and shouting.
 
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This is the way I look a this whole thing. I assume the risks associated with venturing out into the world. There is a chance every time I go into public that i may contract Covid-19. And if i become ill from Covid, I have varying chances of either being asymptomatic, mildly ill, very ill, or die. I assume those risks, with every other risk that comes with leaving the safety of my home.

These are the choices I make, and i don't understand what the argument is about anymore. It's out there, and it's here to stay for a while longer. We can't make it go away, and If I get sick, well that's on me for going out in public. If you don't want to get sick, then don't go in public, but you have to assume the responsibilities that come with that choice.

Some of you want to control people and make them do what you think they should do. Let me make those choices, how i see fit for me and my family. Covid is here, and there isn't anything you can kick, scream, insult or cry about that is going to change that. If you don't like, go fuss at the Chinese.
 
Three adult teachers, one parent, and four children in our daycare have tested positive (all in the last two weeks). Two adults were sick, one has headaches and fatigue, the other remains asymptotic (she was tested because of the other cases). All the children are asymptomatic.

My guess is many more of us have it and are asymptomatic. In fact, I’d be shocked if I didn’t have it. I was in close contact (though not according to how the HD defines it) with the two teachers who became sick. It’s been 12 days since I was in close contact and still no symptoms for me.
 
Also, Wake Forest shows 14% antibody tests for the participants in a study. Most respondents in the Triad.

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Here's a cool map showing participants location and whether they were: Positive for the virus, Positive for Anti-bodies, Negative for Virus, Negative for Antibodies, or not Tested.

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NCSNOW said:
That wasnt me stating it. That was an article saying the wHO was about to reclassify it because the mortality rate had dropped so low. Wouldnt qualify it. Not sure of there metric , but they have one
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So why would you repeat what that article said (w/o actually quoting it or providing a link) in this thread if you had any shred of doubt about its findings? As for the WHO reclassifying covid-19, that wasn't going to happen, I recommend backing up your source(s) from now on.
 
Since my earlier post we have learned that one more teacher and three additional children have tested positive. All asymptomatic currently.
 
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