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LithiaWx said:
the studies and data is out there comparing transmission rate based on if you wear a mask and If the infected person wears one or not and vice versa. If both wear a mask transmission goes down to 1-3%
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I was talking to a family member recently who is pissed off about the mask ordinance and when I brought this up they basically claimed a conspiracy that the politicized studies showed this but the apolitical studies showed the masks didn’t work. Can’t argue with someone claiming a conspiracy since the data doesn’t mean anything to them, so what can you do...
 
superjames1992 said:
Looks like people are presumably staying hospitalized longer for whatever reason. Maybe it’s because the hospitals have the excess capacity and thus are playing it safe with those under their care, maybe it’s because they’re hurting financially and are trying to milk their COVID patients for all the money they can get, or maybe it’s because those hospitalized are in worse condition and thus need care for longer? Hard to say. Interesting, though. I wish North Carolina published information on admissions.
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Yeah, it’s something rather odd. I wish states did a better job at differentiating hospitalized Covid patients and patients who happen to test positive for Covid.
 
Arcc said:
Yeah, it’s something rather odd. I wish states did a better job at differentiating hospitalized Covid patients and patients who happen to test positive for Covid.
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Yeah, I’d like to see that, too. Because the latter are largely irrelevant to the issue at hand and just serve to needlessly fluff the numbers. It’s not clear to me whether it’s a major problem, though, or just something that chops on the margins (I suspect it’s rather minor, though).
 
Arcc said:
Yeah, it’s something rather odd. I wish states did a better job at differentiating hospitalized Covid patients and patients who happen to test positive for Covid.
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I do know when my wife was giving birth the 3 times they tried to keep her in the full amount of time. They want that money. If they can push your release off a few days they will.
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Brick Tamland said:
The school issue is a huge mess, too. Wake County is going with the option of rotating three groups of students. One group is in school for a week, while the other two groups are having school online. That would probably leave 7 or 8 in each classroom. I think they are going to be eating lunch in the classroom. Or maybe have each class spread out in the cafeteria. Not sure how they are going to do busing yet. Everyone has to wear a mask. I guess this is the best way to do things to get kids back in school some while keeping the classes small and students separated during the day. I still don't know what working parents are going to do with work or child care during the two weeks the kids are supposed to be learning online.

Here's the thing with keeping kids out of school. How are working parents going to deal with it? They can't take that much time off work. A lot of them can't afford to put kids in day care or camp that often. But even if they could, that just defeats the purpose for keeping them out of school. Instead of having 7 or 8 kids together in a classroom, now you have a bunch of kids together at a day care or camp. There is going to be a risk either way. At least one way is still trying to teach them something.
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The schooling issue is a real mess. I believe Durham is going to make high schools remote and then spread the remaining elementary and middle school students out more using the high school capacity cleared up. I can’t imagine the long term damage canceling another year of school is going to cause.

I really wonder whether canceling schools, moving learning online, etc. is really the right move. I’m sure opening schools in the fall will cause more transmission and thus more deaths, but how much damage are we doing our children in the long run because of a lost year of learning? And what’s the cost-benefit analysis on that? I don’t think it’s an easy answer, but saving lives isn’t the only thing to consider, either.
 
As a teacher I completely dread going back and having to deal with the chaos that this virus has produced. I know people have to work and students need to be at school (I WANT TO TEACH AT SCHOOL) but something has got to give. How long after we start back do we shut schools again due to the fact that teachers are out sick and no one can sub for them or they have to be quarantined for 14 days because a student or staff member tested positive? I wish there were answers that would help everyone!
 
superjames1992 said:
Yeah, I’d like to see that, too. Because the latter are largely irrelevant to the issue at hand and just serve to needlessly fluff the numbers. It’s not clear to me whether it’s a major problem, though, or just something that chops on the margins (I suspect it’s rather minor, though).
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I know there was a news article out of Florida last week where they said 1/3 of the newly admitted were admitted for other reasons yet positive for Covid, but like you said everything else is murky.
 
NoSnowATL said:
I do know when my wife was giving birth the 3 times they tried to keep her in the full amount of time. They want that money. If they can push your release off a few days they will.
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They actually pushed my wife out quickly. My second oldest daughter I think they discharged both at a day in a half.
 
superjames1992 said:
The schooling issue is a real mess. I believe Durham is going to make high schools remote and then spread the remaining elementary and middle school students out more using the high school capacity cleared up. I can’t imagine the long term damage canceling another year of school is going to cause.

I really wonder whether canceling schools, moving learning online, etc. is really the right move. I’m sure opening schools in the fall will cause more transmission and thus more deaths, but how much damage are we doing our children in the long run because of a lost year of learning? And what’s the cost-benefit analysis on that? I don’t think it’s an easy answer, but saving lives isn’t the only thing to consider, either.
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That's what Forsyth/Winston-Salem schools are looking into doing. I wish Wake would do this instead of having the kids home for two weeks at a time, especially K-6.

Students from K-6, as well as English learners, special needs children and others in self-contained classrooms would attend school daily.

Students in 7-9 grade would be divided into two groups, with one group going to school on Mondays and Tuesdays and the second group going to school on Thursdays and Fridays. When not learning in-person, those students would have remote instruction. Wednesdays would be a remote learning day for all students and give teachers time to plan those lessons.

Those classes would be taught in high schools, which have more classroom space.

Students in 10-12 grade would have virtual school on every day but Wednesday, which would be set aside for personal meetings or tutoring sessions.
 
South Carolina reports 1,782 new cases and 21 new deaths.
Louisana reports 1,843 new cases and 16 new deaths.
 
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Gov Cooper is having a press conference now. Someone finally asked about the demographics of those being hospitalized.
 
Avalanche said:
What about the CBS story and Faucci basically saying that wearing masks were just "window dressing"? Faucci was adamant on it at the beginning and now seems to take a stance that it doesnt aid in preventing Covid at all.

Personally, just stay indoors as much as possible and away from people.

Hopefully, some business owners and corps will realize that you don't need brick/morter, and onsite personnel to conduct commerce going forward. Some businesses have been able to conduct commerce without onsite staff, allowing employess to work from home, and reducing overhead as well.
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Didn't Fauci later admit that he discouraged masks early on to keep the supply from dwindling for healthcare?
 
Brent said:
Well masks are now mandated here so we'll see what happens in a couple weeks

This can't be indefinite though
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They are here too but there is still a good % not wearing them. Regardless at this point whatever its so political and everyone is so set in their own ideals its not going away and sports are probably going to end up doa for the fall.
 
EmersonGA said:
Didn't Fauci later admit that he discouraged masks early on to keep the supply from dwindling for healthcare?
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I understand his reasoning, but on the other hand it doesn’t make sense. For instance PPE was in short supply, but if cloth masks work like they are pushing them, wouldn’t the risk of running even lower on PPE by telling the public to make cloth masks be worth it in the end because less cases equal less PPE needed by hospitals?
 
Current stats for NC by age:

0-17 make up 11% of the cases, 0% of deaths.

18-24 make up 13% of the cases, 0% of deaths.

25-49 make up the largest group of cases with 45%, but only 5% of the deaths.

50-64 make up 19% of the cases, 15% of deaths.

65-74 make up 6% of the cases, 20% of the deaths.

75+ make up 6% of the cases, but account for 59% of the deaths. o_O
 
Brick Tamland said:
Current stats for NC by age:

0-17 make up 11% of the cases, 0% of deaths.

18-24 make up 13% of the cases, 0% of deaths.

25-49 make up the largest group of cases with 45%, but only 5% of the deaths.

50-64 make up 19% of the cases, 15% of deaths.

65-74 make up 6% of the cases, 20% of the deaths.

75+ make up 6% of the cases, but account for 59% of the deaths. o_O
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No surprise to me there pre existing conditions is playing a big role and well that usually is worse with age
 
Brent said:
No surprise to me there pre existing conditions is playing a big role and well that usually is worse with age
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RE: Case % w/age
Not to mention 25-49 group is the largest group in terms of age range and it's not even close. Simple math would hypothesize it would account for the most cases. That's 24 years. I'd like to know if anyone has broken it down even further, i.e. (25-35, 36-49). Very interesting.
 
NoSnowATL said:
So the survival rate in the US is 98.54%? I’ll take it.
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According to the CDC’s estimate, it is 99.74% (accounting for asymptotic cases). It is almost certainly higher than 99% and likely 99.5%, in any case. Of course, 0.5% of 50% of the US population is still close to a million people, so it’s not trivial.
 
GaWx said:
Not to minimize, but statistically the deaths have really not been bad. in GA
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That’s somewhat surprising to me because there are a lot of people here in Georgia with underlying health issues such as diabetes and high blood pressure. Plus our healthcare system in Georgia outside of Atlanta isn’t the greatest
 
I'd like for an anti-masker to help me understand why wearing a mask isn't of benefit. It seems like just basic logic that if you have a sickness and you can prevent the expulsion of droplets from your mouth and nose, then you have just reduced the primary mode of transference substantially.

I understand that certain masks don't filter out aerosolized particles, so if we're dealing with an aerosolized virus and the virus is present where you are wearing your mask, then you may still get it. But I'm not sure that is the case with Covid.

Also, I understand that people touch their mask and face. But if the primary mode of transmission is droplets in the air or on surfaces, and those that would spread droplets (the infected ones) are wearing a mask, then the chances of someone else contacting the virus via their hands and spreading it to their face would seem to go down substantially, because there would be so many fewer contaminating droplets.

Logically, masks make sense and seem like they would really help to slow the spread of a non-aerosolized virus. Even if it is aerosolized, they still seem like they would help.

Why am I wrong?
 
Snow_chaser said:
That’s somewhat surprising to me because there are a lot of people here in Georgia with underlying health issues such as diabetes and high blood pressure. Plus our healthcare system in Georgia outside of Atlanta isn’t the greatest
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If you'd consider Emory (or Grady) to be #1, I'd consider MCG/AU Health to be right behind them at #2 and close to me at least imo. They developed the state wide system for COVID testing and are considered to be one of the best teaching hospitals in the country.

You would indeed think there would be bigger issues because of the rural hospital closures. Basically at least at this moment if you're close to one of the major cities in Georgia, you're "probably" fine at least at this particular moment unless Atlanta's situation is worse than what's going on here. If not, then it might be a coin toss depending on where you're talking about.

www.wrdw.com

Hospitals handle rise in COVID-19 cases here, but say we’re not safe yet

As cases and hospitalizations rise, it raises more questions about how and if our hospitals are starting to feel the burden. Local doctors say, if we continue at this rate, we could be in danger.
www.wrdw.com www.wrdw.com

64 may seem like a lot for one hospital, but context says it might be in multiple hospitals (There's two University Hospitals and the wrdw page is not separating them). Either way, they say they're okay for now, but if these massive/multiple hospitals get taken to their knees along with Atlanta's, the whole state is completely *)#$)#($#)$*#)(*.
 
GeorgiaGirl said:
If you'd consider Emory (or Grady) to be #1, I'd consider MCG/AU Health to be right behind them at #2 and close to me at least imo. They developed the state wide system for COVID testing and are considered to be one of the best teaching hospitals in the country.

You would indeed think there would be bigger issues because of the rural hospital closures. Basically at least at this moment if you're close to one of the major cities in Georgia, you're "probably" fine at least at this particular moment unless Atlanta's situation is worse than what's going on here. If not, then it might be a coin toss depending on where you're talking about.

www.wrdw.com

Hospitals handle rise in COVID-19 cases here, but say we’re not safe yet

As cases and hospitalizations rise, it raises more questions about how and if our hospitals are starting to feel the burden. Local doctors say, if we continue at this rate, we could be in danger.
www.wrdw.com www.wrdw.com

64 may seem like a lot for one hospital, but context says it might be in multiple hospitals (There's two University Hospitals and the wrdw page is not separating them). Either way, they say they're okay for now, but if these massive/multiple hospitals get taken to their knees along with Atlanta's, the whole state is completely *)#$)#($#)$*#)(*.
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Yea that’s what I meant, totally worded it wrong. Didn’t mean for it sound like I’m saying our hospitals suck, but more so of the lack of them in rural Georgia where we’ve had some of the highest numbers outside metro Atlanta.
 
Rain Cold said:
I'd like for an anti-masker to help me understand why wearing a mask isn't of benefit. It seems like just basic logic that if you have a sickness and you can prevent the expulsion of droplets from your mouth and nose, then you have just reduced the primary mode of transference substantially.

I understand that certain masks don't filter out aerosolized particles, so if we're dealing with an aerosolized virus and the virus is present where you are wearing your mask, then you may still get it. But I'm not sure that is the case with Covid.

Also, I understand that people touch their mask and face. But if the primary mode of transmission is droplets in the air or on surfaces, and those that would spread droplets (the infected ones) are wearing a mask, then the chances of someone else contacting the virus via their hands and spreading it to their face would seem to go down substantially, because there would be so many fewer contaminating droplets.

Logically, masks make sense and seem like they would really help to slow the spread of a non-aerosolized virus. Even if it is aerosolized, they still seem like they would help.

Why am I wrong?
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Im not anti-mask per say, but I’ll bite on the basis of cloth masks.

Firstly, I could see cloth masks working if used correctly and in a timely manner, say a quick run in a store. The issues I see are these.

What happens when the cloth mask gets wet from breath. Are you actually pumping out more virus particles as you breathe through a moist cloth.

What happens when you touch a wet cloth mask with your hands? Isn’t that about the same as putting your fingers in your mouth and touching something?

Does the wet mask help stick viral particles to it?

Does mask wearing encourage less social distancing and longer periods in stores because you “think” you can’t spread it or get it?

Im looking at this from my safety standpoint. Not that I worry about getting Covid and getting bad sick, but I don’t like getting a cold in any case.
 
Arcc said:
Im not anti-mask per say, but I’ll bite on the basis of cloth masks.

Firstly, I could see cloth masks working if used correctly and in a timely manner, say a quick run in a store. The issues I see are these.

What happens when the cloth mask gets wet from breath. Are you actually pumping out more virus particles as you breathe through a moist cloth.

What happens when you touch a wet cloth mask with your hands? Isn’t that about the same as putting your fingers in your mouth and touching something?

Does the wet mask help stick viral particles to it?

Does mask wearing encourage less social distancing and longer periods in stores because you “think” you can’t spread it or get it?

Im looking at this from my safety standpoint. Not that I worry about getting Covid and getting bad sick, but I don’t like getting a cold in any case.
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There was a study I believe in the new England journal of medicine that said a damp wash cloth blocked a good % of droplets during speaking.
 
SD said:
There was a study I believe in the new England journal of medicine that said a damp wash cloth blocked a good % of droplets during speaking.
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That would be good news. Maybe new studies will answer my other questions. I’m definitely open to be convinced.
 
packfan98 said:
So I went to a local restaurant to pick up an order I called in. No worker (wait staff, cashier, cooks) was wearing a mask. Aren't they required to wear masks in NC? If so, how do I report them. My wife and I were not happy.
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I think it's like any other health code violation, report it to the health department?
 
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