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Wintry 1/9-12 Winter Potential Great Dane or Yorkie

20250112_161115.jpg20250112_161037.jpgA late report from this week's storm. We actually had some damage at my job. I work at an Animal Clinic in Hoover. Our roof that covers our daycare yard actually had enough snow and ice accumulation that it completely collapsed under the weight. We discovered it in this condition when we came in Friday morning.
 
Was there ever a model(run) showing closer to what you actually ended with?

I don't think so until the final day maybe. It became obvious the band in Arkansas was trying to shift up this way. I guess we sort of had the NW trend people talk about out here

But I also know about 5 days out when I went to KC the entire GFS run had no snow here(16 days...) several runs and even showed a very similar snow hole on most of them 🤣 it's why I try to tell people not to focus on the op runs because of the wild swings like that

But yeah this storm had absolutely no hype there wasn't even a winter storm warning til it was already snowing and it ended up being our snowiest day in 14 years. Go figure
 
I don't think so until the final day maybe. It became obvious the band in Arkansas was trying to shift up this way. I guess we sort of had the NW trend people talk about out here

But I also know about 5 days out when I went to KC the entire GFS run had no snow here(16 days...) several runs and even showed a very similar snow hole on most of them 🤣 it's why I try to tell people not to focus on the op runs because of the wild swings like that

But yeah this storm had absolutely no hype there wasn't even a winter storm warning til it was already snowing and it ended up being our snowiest day in 14 years. Go figure
This is in Brick’s wheelhouse. He will let you know real fast the best storms come with no warning, and no storms come when there is a warning
 
A few thoughts regarding the models and trying to forecast this one...

This storm made me think about how it could be a good idea to divide your forecast thoughts on the time period before the high res models come out (Days 4+) vs. the time period when the high res models will be on the storm (Days 1-3).

In the Day 4+ period, the Euro AI was fantastic and the clear winner in my mind with how it consistently brought the various pieces together at 500mb to produce the end result of Miller A from the gulf coast to the Carolina coast (baja wave / central conus trough dropping in / partial phase / positive tilt trough).

In the end, the Euro AI was a bit too suppressed with the storm track and too cool with temperatures aloft (an issue with most of the globals), though it was actually quite good with surface temperatures east of the Apps, as it had the cold air entrenched down into SCarolina.

But whenever there is a gulf low, we have to take into account whether or not we have enough cold air to hold off the inevitable warmth that it brings with it. In this case, at days 4-6, it would have been smart to say, OK, when the high res models get a hold of this storm, what are they going to do with it? For one, we could maybe anticipate that the baja low kicking east was going to be a heat pump on its eastern flank, pumping warmth out of Mexico and into the southern plains and southeast. And although we had some decent cold air over the Mid-Atlantic and NE with some fresh snowpack, there was not good, cold high pressure to the north (which many pointed out), and forecast thicknesses were high. So, there was a built in weakness there for the warmth to climb north. And when there is a weakness, we should anticipate that the high res models are going to take advantage of it when they come into view in the Day 1-3 timeframe, especially so when the precip is driven by warm advection in absence of a good, closed low at 850mb that has a southerly track, and with good cold air to the north.

Anyway, those are just some thoughts when looking back on this storm in hindsight forecasting wise.
 
Wilkes County schools are closed tomorrow due to slush being froze. Lows in the teens this week. Most roads have been scraped but secondary roads are very poor esp ones that face north in the shade.
 
Catawba and Rowan are remote learning days as well. I'm pretty surprised at that. There's not much left around here.
 
We're pretty much back to normal but there are some deep shady spots with sheets of ice still even though we hit 52 yesterday
 
A few thoughts regarding the models and trying to forecast this one...

This storm made me think about how it could be a good idea to divide your forecast thoughts on the time period before the high res models come out (Days 4+) vs. the time period when the high res models will be on the storm (Days 1-3).

In the Day 4+ period, the Euro AI was fantastic and the clear winner in my mind with how it consistently brought the various pieces together at 500mb to produce the end result of Miller A from the gulf coast to the Carolina coast (baja wave / central conus trough dropping in / partial phase / positive tilt trough).

In the end, the Euro AI was a bit too suppressed with the storm track and too cool with temperatures aloft (an issue with most of the globals), though it was actually quite good with surface temperatures east of the Apps, as it had the cold air entrenched down into SCarolina.

But whenever there is a gulf low, we have to take into account whether or not we have enough cold air to hold off the inevitable warmth that it brings with it. In this case, at days 4-6, it would have been smart to say, OK, when the high res models get a hold of this storm, what are they going to do with it? For one, we could maybe anticipate that the baja low kicking east was going to be a heat pump on its eastern flank, pumping warmth out of Mexico and into the southern plains and southeast. And although we had some decent cold air over the Mid-Atlantic and NE with some fresh snowpack, there was not good, cold high pressure to the north (which many pointed out), and forecast thicknesses were high. So, there was a built in weakness there for the warmth to climb north. And when there is a weakness, we should anticipate that the high res models are going to take advantage of it when they come into view in the Day 1-3 timeframe, especially so when the precip is driven by warm advection in absence of a good, closed low at 850mb that has a southerly track, and with good cold air to the north.

Anyway, those are just some thoughts when looking back on this storm in hindsight forecasting wise.
This is really good. It is hard in the SE to keep the column cold enough for snow over a large area. It's why big snowstorms tend to stick in our memory -- they are rare. And it's why I harp so much on favorably-located high pressure of favorable strength with a cold source region. A bombing storm could do the trick too, with a cold conveyor belt and crashing heights on the backside (although a good HP feeding cold into the storm is preferable).

The bottom line is that we generally need to be feeding cold air in during whatever storm type you want to throw in. In many/most cases, we get everything in between the ideal and end up with a sloppy mess. The baking a cake equivalent would be a pretty looking cake that is too salty and falls all apart when you try to eat it.
 
Yeah, we are on remote learning day #3. Not ideal for learning. I'm ready to get back to my classroom.
They actually are on regular schedule. I won't get into that but numerous schools look like that and they returned yesterday, some parents aren't happy.
 
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Still decent amount sn/ip in shade and this pic is from school my wife teaches in RR, they had about an inch more than me (just 8 miles north)
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Yesterday dad dropped the ol’ “if snow stays on the ground for more than 3 days that means more is coming to visit it.”
 
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