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Misc General Banter Thread

So, let's see what happens next year with a +PDO and an El Nino in February. If we have both of those and February still stinks, we know it's officially a spring month, and our winter is officially December 15th through January 31.
 
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Y’all don’t want to hear it. Winter weather is over after the first week of February, I’m saying weather not a couple of more freezes.View attachment 194341
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Sorry, I still can’t hear you above the 3-4” snow that fell here this day a year ago, well after the first week of February.

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One year ago today!! 4.5” of beautiful snow in Youngsville!!
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I'm not going to accuweather to find this article but what's the criteria for winter?
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“Climate scientists defined “winter” not by calendar dates but by the 90 coldest consecutive days in a historical reference period, then compared how long those winterlike conditions persist today versus several decades ago. In many places, winter now starts later and ends earlier, a clear sign that seasonal timing is shifting as the planet warms.”


Seems a little nebulous. In any case, assuming many of us match up around DC’s (3 days) and Nashville’s (4 days) numbers, winter’s shortening would be pretty imperceptible without diving into the data. I guess Atlanta’s (11 days) would be more so, but I’d be very curious if local UHI effects as the metro has grown out to the airport in recent years have more to do with that than anything. I do find it interesting, and potentially informative, that DC’s and Nashville’s winters have not changed that much according to their criteria given both airports lie very close to the city center, and thus metro growth over the last few decades wouldn’t have affected their UHI influences at the reporting sites much given they were already experiencing a lot of UHI effects from the start.
 
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superjames1992 said:
“Climate scientists defined “winter” not by calendar dates but by the 90 coldest consecutive days in a historical reference period, then compared how long those winterlike conditions persist today versus several decades ago. In many places, winter now starts later and ends earlier, a clear sign that seasonal timing is shifting as the planet warms.”


Seems a little nebulous. In any case, assuming many of us match up around DC’s (3 days) and Nashville’s (4 days) numbers, winter’s shortening would be pretty imperceptible without diving into the data. I guess Atlanta’s (11 days) would be more so, but I’d be very curious if local UHI effects as the metro has grown out to the airport in recent years have more to do with that than anything. I do find it interesting, and potentially informative, that DC’s and Nashville’s winters have not changed that much according to their criteria given both airports lie very close to the city center, and thus metro growth over the last few decades wouldn’t have affected their UHI influences st the reporting sites much.
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That's weird, if it's the coldest 90 days how can it get longer or shorter?
 
SD said:
That's weird, if it's the coldest 90 days how can it get longer or shorter?
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I think they are taking the 90-day coldest period from 30+ years ago and comparing that to how long those same conditions persist today. It does seem a little finicky and I’d be curious to see their data. They also say 15% of reporting stations have longer winters now.
 
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superjames1992 said:
I think they are taking the 90-day coldest period from 30+ years ago and comparing that to how long those same comditi8ns persist today. It does seem a little finicky and I’d be curious to see their data. They also say 15% of reporting stations have longer winters now.
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Id be interested to take UHI stations and compare them to rural but most of the rural stations are short on history
 
Tupelo has actually averaged nearly as much snow in February (0.6") as January (0.7") historically, and the last decade hasn't been much different. Tupelo also got 3.8" in February 2021 which was a total dud east of the Apps. Tupelo averages 0.1" in December, if February isn't a winter month because it doesn't snow enough, December isn't either.

Even though February is typically warmer than December I still consider it a winter month as it has significantly more snow events.
 
Man, I’ve seen snow in April around here a few times and just assumed it meant it snowed in early spring. But apparently it means April is a “winter” month around here. Weird! 🤔 :)
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
Man, I’ve seen snow in April around here a few times and just assumed it meant it snowed in early spring. But apparently it means April is a “winter” month around here. Weird! 🤔 :)
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This is some of the weirdest stuff I've read from folks. We had like a 5 year run of hitting 80 in feb and I think it snowed in March 3 of those 5. I guess I forget those winters of the 90s where it was below freezing from Thanksgiving to memorial day
 
CyclonicFury said:
Tupelo has actually averaged nearly as much snow in February (0.6") as January (0.7") historically, and the last decade hasn't been much different. Tupelo also got 3.8" in February 2021 which was a total dud east of the Apps. Tupelo averages 0.1" in December, if February isn't a winter month because it doesn't snow enough, December isn't either.

Even though February is typically warmer than December I still consider it a winter month as it has significantly more snow events.
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Yeah, I’m pretty sure February outsnows December pretty much anywhere in the SE and in many places March does as well, I suspect.

I find calendar winter aligns pretty well with our chances at snow. Rarely have we gotten significant snows before the winter solstice (2018 excepted, and I guess 2009 beat it by a couple days), and rarely do we get significant snows after the spring equinox (although it has happened, 1983, 1981, 1973, etc.).
 
From awful to epic conditions out west. It is still snowing out there.

 
Has anyone been to Sugarbush in Vermont? I'm moving to Ikon Base past for next season and I think its including in the same year purchased. I haven't been to any of the ski areas in Vermont, and I'm thinking that would be a great spot for a weekend B&B in middle March if the snow is decent.
 
Wonder if we're going to see another mild transition to Spring this year, or if we in the deep south (GA/SC esp) are going to see a big uptick in severe weather. We haven't had a significant outbreak in a hot minute.
 
I-42 was filled with extreme wind and rain here at 1100a. Headed from Slims over to AMC to watch GOAT (good movie (in fact VERY good)) and headed home to 70s and sunshine! It was 50s and cold when arriving at AMC in Holly Springs
 
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Wonder if we're going to see another mild transition to Spring this year, or if we in the deep south (GA/SC esp) are going to see a big uptick in severe weather. We haven't had a significant outbreak in a hot minute.
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Severe weather has been dormant for the most part over the Southeast during the past few years. With El Nino taking the stage, that might change.
 
Well in 16/17 it didn't even really snow so there's that? December 1975 had one of the worst tornadoes for the city ever in December. Meanwhile It's still truly amazing to me in this dumpster fire of a winter we have our average snow on the booksFB_IMG_1771631255362.jpg
 
I got lost in Aiken, SC trying to find parking for Hitchcock Woods today, but it was a nice day overall with me ending up doing flower photography. Maybe I am finally able to get into spring mode.

Oh, who am I kidding, I posted more snow pictures on another social media account of mine (that I don't post here) and if this is a slow night with what I'm doing, I'll either be looking at medical stories or rereading a winter storm thread.
 
Thought this was an interesting map posted by a local met. It’s the average snow to liquid rarios for snowfall. Iowas averaged is 13-14:1
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Brent said:
Well in 16/17 it didn't even really snow so there's that? December 1975 had one of the worst tornadoes for the city ever in December. Meanwhile It's still truly amazing to me in this dumpster fire of a winter we have our average snow on the booksView attachment 194369
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For most of us, we don’t need a cold winter to get above average snow. We just need a cold few days or couple weeks. I think the winter of 1999-2000 was warmer than average but it didn’t matter because a two-week period in late January of cold resulted in 20”+ in RDU, for example. I think that may have been the only period with measurable snow all winter.

Now, don’t get me wrong, a cold winter gives you more chances, but it’s not a necessary requirement.
 
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superjames1992 said:
For most of us, we don’t need a cold winter to get above average snow. We just need a cold few days or couple weeks. I think the winter of 1999-2000 was warmer than average but it didn’t matter because a two-week period in late February or cold resulted in 20”+ in RDU, for example. I think that may have been the only period with measurable snow all winter.

Now, don’t get me wrong, a cold winter gives you more chances, but it’s not a necessary requirement.
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Yeah I guess it is true... It's interesting to see 21-22 on there because that was the other big long duration snowstorm here this decade despite being warm

Also the last time it snowed in March here 👀
 
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