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Let's hope the Euro and Canadian are struggling with thermals. Bring on the sleet!![]()
If you don’t hear from me anymore it means the EURO or CANADIAN came to be…..
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Definitely did back off a little on totals across central NC compared to 12z, although it's still a lot wetter for much for NC than prior runs, IIRC. Same for the AI Euro.Looks like the euro and AIFS is trying to dryslot just east of the triangle again. What are you seeing @KyloG

Yep, seeing the same thing. 30 miles from 1” QPF and 30 from less then .30”. This just for the overrunning part which I feel that is the meat of this. The band that swings through after could be rain.Looks like the euro and AIFS is trying to dryslot just east of the triangle again. What are you seeing @KyloG

Yeah that last line of precip that went through bumped up the totals. Almost a two part system for many of us.Definitely did back off a little on totals across central NC compared to 12z, although it's still a lot wetter for much for NC than prior runs, IIRC. Same for the AI Euro.
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And like you said. AIFS even worse. It’s why I’m not worried for Raleigh. Places west…sheeshLooks like the euro and AIFS is trying to dryslot just east of the triangle again. What are you seeing @KyloG

AIFS is colder than Euro with temps…I wonder who wins this.
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how has RGEM done better? The event hasn’t even startedI could be completely wrong but i think the rgem has handled the system the best so far and I heard other Mets around the Raleigh area saying it as well.
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how has RGEM done better? The event hasn’t even started
It has been more stable with surface temps so far compared to the euro.how has RGEM done better? The event hasn’t even started
Yes but this warm nose is so strong it will quickly take over and change to sleet might only have a few hours of snow chances.I still think NW of I-85 starts as snow before WAA takes effect. Be alot more sleet than the EURO is showing
Consistent doesn’t mean accurateJust in my opinion I feel like it has stayed the most consistent with the runs I have seen
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The short term models are better to look at closer to the event. We are in that range now. I would say drop the globals and turn to short term forecasting at this pointConsistent doesn’t mean accurate
Consistent doesn’t mean accurate
Over 1 inch of accretion will be achieved on the eastern escarpment of the SC mountains at elevations between 2500-3000ft. I’d bet a lot of money on it.Look, tbh this will anger some ….. this may be a “dangerous” potential event. But we’ve all seen this time and time again, these earth shattering amounts modeled that have never been recorded and never will, bc it’s impossible. I’d bet my left you know what no one from GA - VA ends up more than 1” FRZN. Yes that’s dangerous, but that’s never happened in 150yrs of records if I’m not mistaken and this weekend will be no different. My forecast at worst would be “UP TO 3/4”” even in the worst spot no more, ever. No matter what I saw on any model. This will not become some 1000yr event, be realistic we’ve all been here.
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Didnt augusta get over 1 inch of ice accumulation in 2014?Look, tbh this will anger some ….. this may be a “dangerous” potential event. But we’ve all seen this time and time again, these earth shattering amounts modeled that have never been recorded and never will, bc it’s impossible. I’d bet my left you know what no one from GA - VA ends up more than 1” FRZN. Yes that’s dangerous, but that’s never happened in 150yrs of records if I’m not mistaken and this weekend will be no different. My forecast at worst would be “UP TO 3/4”” even in the worst spot no more, ever. No matter what I saw on any model. This will not become some 1000yr event, be realistic we’ve all been here.
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Bridges will usually ice happily.I’ve experienced ZR in the upper 20s and the roads in Atlanta being a black ice skating rink including the entirety of 285. It all seems like such a crapshoot with how the roads do in these things.
There's an element of truth to what you're saying regarding modeled improbable events are likely to trend back towards "normal", but there are also exceptions. If we used that logic, the Florida panhandle wouldn't have received anywhere close to 10" (!!!) of snowfall in a single storm last winter. Same for New Orleans.Look, tbh this will anger some ….. this may be a “dangerous” potential event. But we’ve all seen this time and time again, these earth shattering amounts modeled that have never been recorded and never will, bc it’s impossible. I’d bet my left you know what no one from GA - VA ends up more than 1” FRZN. Yes that’s dangerous, but that’s never happened in 150yrs of records if I’m not mistaken and this weekend will be no different. My forecast at worst would be “UP TO 3/4”” even in the worst spot no more, ever. No matter what I saw on any model. This will not become some 1000yr event, be realistic we’ve all been here.
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I read these similar sentiments before Helene as well....Look, tbh this will anger some ….. this may be a “dangerous” potential event. But we’ve all seen this time and time again, these earth shattering amounts modeled that have never been recorded and never will, bc it’s impossible. I’d bet my left you know what no one from GA - VA ends up more than 1” FRZN. Yes that’s dangerous, but that’s never happened in 150yrs of records if I’m not mistaken and this weekend will be no different. My forecast at worst would be “UP TO 3/4”” even in the worst spot no more, ever. No matter what I saw on any model. This will not become some 1000yr event, be realistic we’ve all been here.
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1” vs 0.75” like come on. It’s going to be a big deal anyway for a lot of people. You can downplay it for now but it’s going to be at your doorstep soon. Mooresville is not safeLook, tbh this will anger some ….. this may be a “dangerous” potential event. But we’ve all seen this time and time again, these earth shattering amounts modeled that have never been recorded and never will, bc it’s impossible. I’d bet my left you know what no one from GA - VA ends up more than 1” FRZN. Yes that’s dangerous, but that’s never happened in 150yrs of records if I’m not mistaken and this weekend will be no different. My forecast at worst would be “UP TO 3/4”” even in the worst spot no more, ever. No matter what I saw on any model. This will not become some 1000yr event, be realistic we’ve all been here.
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I had a similar thought, these biblical totals are dependent on the insane qpf the models are spitting out and assuming perfect accrual. We have seen forecasted ice storms before end up being more sleet than freezing rain. Part of it is me being hopeful we don’t see catastrophic totals (with a 3 year old and a 1 year old) but climo tells you that we aren’t going to shatter 150+ year records here in a few days. I could be wrong but we will see.Look, tbh this will anger some ….. this may be a “dangerous” potential event. But we’ve all seen this time and time again, these earth shattering amounts modeled that have never been recorded and never will, bc it’s impossible. I’d bet my left you know what no one from GA - VA ends up more than 1” FRZN. Yes that’s dangerous, but that’s never happened in 150yrs of records if I’m not mistaken and this weekend will be no different. My forecast at worst would be “UP TO 3/4”” even in the worst spot no more, ever. No matter what I saw on any model. This will not become some 1000yr event, be realistic we’ve all been here.
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Atlanta 73, Quebec 4 or 5 inches. Needs to do his research.Didnt augusta get over 1 inch of ice accumulation in 2014?
I think it honestly comes down to just how hard the Precip is, If it's harder rates you got a lot of Runoff, If it's lighter yeah more time to acrue. But my money is on most people seeing .50" at most. Still bad sure But nowhere near what some of these are showingI had a similar thought, these biblical totals are dependent on the insane qpf the models are spitting out and assuming perfect accrual. We have seen forecasted ice storms before end up being more sleet than freezing rain. Part of it is me being hopeful we don’t see catastrophic totals but climo tells you that we aren’t going to shatter 150+ year records here in a few days. I could be wrong but we will see.
Serious question have you ever been in a .5” ice storm?I think it honestly comes down to just how hard the Precip is, If it's harder rates you got a lot of Runoff, If it's lighter yeah more time to acrue. But my money is on most people seeing .50" at most. Still bad sure But nowhere near what some of these are showing
Ok what happens 2 to 3 inches of liquid precip falls into air that is the mid 20s because of a strong warm nose over a 30 plus hour period? Just because an event being modeled is rare doesn't mean it can't happened. I'd love for you to be right btw...but i'd love to see the reasoning against it other than the feels.Look, tbh this will anger some ….. this may be a “dangerous” potential event. But we’ve all seen this time and time again, these earth shattering amounts modeled that have never been recorded and never will, bc it’s impossible. I’d bet my left you know what no one from GA - VA ends up more than 1” FRZN. Yes that’s dangerous, but that’s never happened in 150yrs of records if I’m not mistaken and this weekend will be no different. My forecast at worst would be “UP TO 3/4”” even in the worst spot no more, ever. No matter what I saw on any model. This will not become some 1000yr event, be realistic we’ve all been here.
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The problem is it's impossible for areas to get sleet with the soundings the models are putting out outside the core of the cad areas. As others have pointed out, things happen outside of climo all the time. Freakish setups can and do happen. I'm struggling to see how we get out of this short of the models just being WAY off on precip totals. Whats troubling about this setup is the duration. The amount of precip doesn't fall into a 6 or 12 hour period where rates would certainly cause a lot of runoff and limit amounts. Instead we get modest amounts per hour over a long period which can do the job.I had a similar thought, these biblical totals are dependent on the insane qpf the models are spitting out and assuming perfect accrual. We have seen forecasted ice storms before end up being more sleet than freezing rain. Part of it is me being hopeful we don’t see catastrophic totals but climo tells you that we aren’t going to shatter 150+ year records here in a few days. I could be wrong but we will see.
Yep...0.75 is crippling.1” vs 0.75” like come on. It’s going to be a big deal anyway for a lot of people. You can downplay it for now but it’s going to be at your doorstep soon. Mooresville is not safe
Look, tbh this will anger some ….. this may be a “dangerous” potential event. But we’ve all seen this time and time again, these earth shattering amounts modeled that have never been recorded and never will, bc it’s impossible. I’d bet my left you know what no one from GA - VA ends up more than 1” FRZN. Yes that’s dangerous, but that’s never happened in 150yrs of records if I’m not mistaken and this weekend will be no different. My forecast at worst would be “UP TO 3/4”” even in the worst spot no more, ever. No matter what I saw on any model. This will not become some 1000yr event, be realistic we’ve all been here.
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This is the only ice storm I can remember in my 40+ year lifetime that caused a lot of problems in central NC.I had a similar thought, these biblical totals are dependent on the insane qpf the models are spitting out and assuming perfect accrual. We have seen forecasted ice storms before end up being more sleet than freezing rain. Part of it is me being hopeful we don’t see catastrophic totals (with a 3 year old and a 1 year old) but climo tells you that we aren’t going to shatter 150+ year records here in a few days. I could be wrong but we will see.


1” vs 0.75” like come on. It’s going to be a big deal anyway for a lot of people. You can downplay it for now but it’s going to be at your doorstep soon. Mooresville is not safe
This is the only ice storm I can remember in my 40+ year lifetime that caused a lot of problems in central NC.
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That had 2” of precip that gave 2” of snow and 0.5” ice accumulation. If you go off the AI models Raleigh will easily be below 1” QPF and closer to 0.5”. If they are right…big IF then this won’t be as big a deal…for Raleigh. People north and west are in much worse shape.
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Absolutely I have I use to be an EMT and also worked for State Maintenance years ago, So trust me I've had my share And Really don't care to see any kind of winter storm again period! It amazes me how people wish for all thisSerious question have you ever been in a .5” ice storm?