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Pattern December Doldrums 2025 🎄 ❄️

I worry about continuing to play the game of "models are wrong in the long range", even though they are and they have been for a while now. It "feels" like that strategy will ultimately lead to failure, because it usually does. But up till now at least, this has been one of those periods where warm-ups have not materialized on any sort of sustained basis. That's not to say it isn't right around the corner. But so far the positives have overwhelmed the negatives that have popped up. I'm of the mindset to lean into persistence unless there's a really good reason to change it. Not the best forecasting technique, I know, but sometimes it works out pretty well.
I’m just worried once it flips it won’t flip back
 
Small thing I’m watching for tomorrow in the Atlanta area. NWS has the city getting well into the 50’s but the HRRR and NAM are running about 10 degrees colder and keep most of the metro in the low 40’s all day. I presume due to thicker cloud cover and a bit of a wedge. Nothing major but could be the difference between another raw chilly day and the warmest day we’ve had all week.

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Seems like the CAMs are winning this one. Most of Atlanta stuck under thick clouds and fog. Temperatures around 40. Huge bust on temps possible compared to the high of 54 forecasted 12 hours ago IMG_8137.jpeg
 
Seems like the CAMs are winning this one. Most of Atlanta stuck under thick clouds and fog. Temperatures around 40. Huge bust on temps possible compared to the high of 54 forecasted 12 hours ago View attachment 178388
Two days in a row ffc has busted on temps. Busted by 5 yesterday here...double that today. Currently 39 here..seems unlikely we do much better than a degree or 2.
 
Two days in a row ffc has busted on temps. Busted by 5 yesterday here...double that today. Currently 39 here..seems unlikely we do much better than a degree or 2.
It’s amazing a national weather service performs this way.
 
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This may have already been posted, I apologize if it has. Just wondering your thoughts? Especially since BamWx is big on much below normal in January.




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Hi everyone - joined here recently and I’m happy to be in the conversation. From my perspective here in northern GA, good to see it’s cold and I’m not to worried about a pattern flip towards late month. It should come back to us and maybe in a way conducive to Gulf lows / Miller A

Welcome to SouthernWx from a fellow Georgian!
 
Hi everyone - joined here recently and I’m happy to be in the conversation. From my perspective here in northern GA, good to see it’s cold and I’m not to worried about a pattern flip towards late month. It should come back to us and maybe in a way conducive to Gulf lows / Miller A

Welcome! We need more Georgia in here!


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This may have already been posted, I apologize if it has. Just wondering your thoughts? Especially since BamWx is big on much below normal in January.



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Thanks, Frosty, for posting that from Ben. The Euro Weeklies have been forecasting mainly mild in the SE for early to mid Jan. So, that possibility is in guidance and thus should be respected imho. However, the EPS has recently been too SERy. Also, the current 3 times normal Midwest snowcover could have a say if it were to largely persist. Finally, the last 11 times there was a -PNA Dec during -ENSO like the current Dec flipped to +PNA. Six of these 11 had a cold Jan. So, there are good reasons to think Jan likely will not be mild. Now Feb otoh is a different story to me as this same indicator suggests it likely flips to mild in Feb.
 
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The warmup may indeed be coming but with how early in the season it is, it should flip back. Even if 60s around Christmas isn’t appealing. I think many of us in northern GA have been accustomed to blowtorch February’s but there’s still a lot of time until then. Not that I see many people dooming, but it’s still too early for that
 
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Score one for the CAMs today. Fog let go by lunchtime but haven’t seen a ray of sun once today. 41 at the moment. Hate to waste another snowy sky around here, but I have been enjoying this stretch of chilly wx locally. Lots of chimneys around the neighborhood smoking as I take a lap

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I would selfishly love to see a mild Christmas so I can hit the links ⛳️, however the base state isn’t conducive to big warm ups for now.

Despite that, I can see how that sort of scenario comes to fruition however with the big negative torque over Asia after mid month. Not a slam dunk S2S fcst
 
I would selfishly love to see a mild Christmas so I can hit the links ⛳️, however the base state isn’t conducive to big warm ups for now.

Despite that, I can see how that sort of scenario comes to fruition however with the big negative torque over Asia after mid month. Not a slam dunk S2S fcst
Be a big kick in the Jimmy to stay cold through December until Christmas week and then soar into the 60s.
 
Welcome to SouthernWx from a fellow Georgian!
Hey, Larry can you please calibrate the abacus to the cme arriving Tuesday, and the huge big monster sunspot aimed right at earth. When the big one goes off, I need to understand it's possible effect upon snow up to my gutters. And is the Tuesday event a precursor to the monster going off. I need snow to my gutters soonest, and it will be cold enough in a few days to make that happen. I realize no matter how big a solar storm is it's not like a triple phased gom low, but since both are extremely rare they must at least be cousins. And...since we are apt to lose the inner webs, I hope you can do your sleuthing before we lose communication. Thanks, your friend Tony
 
So get ready for Torch in Jan, And it likely starts Christmas week
I don’t see how we avoid torching most of January after having an entire month of cold almost. Regardless of all the factors into it, just seems like a “what goes up must come down” type scenario. Hope it proves us wrong.
 
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