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Presidential Election 2024

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JHS said:
We had a Democrat in the White House. If the Republicans really had their way, ALL of the New Deal would be gone. Everything gone so the rich could get richer.
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Well first of all, Medicaid and Food Stamps aren't "New Deal." Those were both from LBJ's Great Society agenda.

Second, as someone already pointed out in-part, it was actually Bill Clinton who took a much bigger sledgehammer to FDR's New Deal with his welfare reform (neoliberal reivisionist always fail to mention Clinton's "reform" was a massive cut to what was a previously generous program) and repealing Glass-Steagall.

But I know y'all ain't ready for that conversation...
 
NorthDFWwx said:
Well first of all, Medicaid and Food Stamps aren't "New Deal." Those were both from LBJ's Great Society agenda.

Second, as someone already pointed out in-part, it was actually Bill Clinton who took a much bigger sledgehammer to FDR's New Deal with his welfare reform (neoliberal reivisionist always fail to mention Clinton's "reform" was a massive cut to what was a previously generous program) and repealing Glass-Steagall.

But I know y'all ain't ready for that conversation...
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It still does not change the fact that ALL of this would be gone if Republicans had their way, and everyone knows it.
 
SimeonNC said:
I'm anticipating either another round of gaslighting or feeble attempts of arguing why cutting medicaid, food stamps and other welfare programs that people like myself, members of my family, and other people in the community around me use to fund tax cuts for the rich is a good thing
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If you don't mind me asking, are you disabled and thus restricted from performing certain jobs?

From what I've gathered reading your posts, you seem fairly young. Those government assistance programs were originally meant for people who aren't able-bodied enough to go out and land higher-paying employment.

(and if you don't feel comfortable sharing, that's fine too)
 
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JHS said:
It still does not change the fact that ALL of this would be gone if Republicans had their way, and everyone knows it.
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I'd argue that Clinton and Obama steadily governing to the right the past couple of decades in a futile effort to court GOP-lite (but socially liberal) professional class suburbanites is how we ended up with Trump on the first place, and thus the consequences are spilled milk at this point.

But again, I'm sure Dems are not ready for that conversation.
 
SimeonNC said:
I'm anticipating either another round of gaslighting or feeble attempts of arguing why cutting medicaid, food stamps and other welfare programs that people like myself, members of my family, and other people in the community around me use to fund tax cuts for the rich is a good thing
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Good, good. Read your talking points and feel the hate growing inside of you, and your journey toward liberal brainwashing will be complete.

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SimeonNC said:
I'm anticipating either another round of gaslighting or feeble attempts of arguing why cutting medicaid, food stamps and other welfare programs that people like myself, members of my family, and other people in the community around me use to fund tax cuts for the rich is a good thing
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Let us know when it comes to fruition because right now it's just speculating and speculating never works out for you Trump haters. Didn't in 2016 and won't now. You are gonna be ok Sunny
 
NorthDFWwx said:
If you don't mind me asking, are you disabled and thus restricted from performing certain jobs?

From what I'm gathered reading your posts, you seem fairly young. Those government assistance programs were originally meant for people who aren't able-bodied enough to go out and land higher-paying employment.

(and if you don't feel comfortable sharing, that's fine too)
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I am diagnosed with asperger's/ASD, possibly have others, I've also legit struggled with mental health for the majority of my life. I also come from a low-income background. My personal situation isn't relevant. The point that I highlighted is everything wrong with American society and right-wing thought.

The costs of living are higher than ever, a ton of decent paying job requires one if not more college degrees plus a buttload of experience. Not to mention generational poverty in certain communities already bars a ton of people from attaining the degrees necessary to find higher-paying education. The vast-majority of Americans have less than 1k in savings accounts. There are millions of millions of Americans in similar situations to myself for multiple reasons. To just say "go and find higher paying employment" is such a tone-deaf, unempathetic, callous statement to make, painting all low-income people as lesser or "lazy" or whatever.

There is no good reason why someone in the richest country in the world should have to worry about medical debt when needing potentially life-saving procedures or have to choose between paying bills and buying groceries just so they and/or their families can eat.
 
SimeonNC said:
I am diagnosed with asperger's/ASD, possibly have others, I've also legit struggled with mental health for the majority of my life. I also come from a low-income background. My personal situation isn't relevant. The point that I highlighted is everything wrong with American society and right-wing thought.

The costs of living are higher than ever, a ton of decent paying job requires one if not more college degrees plus a buttload of experience. Not to mention generational poverty in certain communities already bars a ton of people from attaining the degrees necessary to find higher-paying education. The vast-majority of Americans have less than 1k in savings accounts. There are millions of millions of Americans in similar situations to myself for multiple reasons. To just say "go and find higher paying employment" is such a tone-deaf, unempathetic, callous statement to make, painting all low-income people as lesser or "lazy" or whatever.

There is no good reason why someone in the richest country in the world should have to worry about medical debt when needing potentially life-saving procedures or have to choose between paying bills and buying groceries just so they and/or their families can eat.
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Seems like with all those issues you would have voted Republican. Everything you listed Democrats don't care about.the average person deals with those things as well.
 
SimeonNC said:
I am diagnosed with asperger's/ASD, possibly have others, I've also legit struggled with mental health for the majority of my life. I also come from a low-income background. My personal situation isn't relevant. The point that I highlighted is everything wrong with American society and right-wing thought.

The costs of living are higher than ever, a ton of decent paying job requires one if not more college degrees plus a buttload of experience. Not to mention generational poverty in certain communities already bars a ton of people from attaining the degrees necessary to find higher-paying education. The vast-majority of Americans have less than 1k in savings accounts. There are millions of millions of Americans in similar situations to myself for multiple reasons. To just say "go and find higher paying employment" is such a tone-deaf, unempathetic, callous statement to make, painting all low-income people as lesser or "lazy" or whatever.

There is no good reason why someone in the richest country in the world should have to worry about medical debt when needing potentially life-saving procedures or have to choose between paying bills and buying groceries just so they and/or their families can eat.
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I wasn't trying to be ableist, but the point behind my question was to highlight that we have much deeper systemic issues in our country's socio-economic order when we have relatively healthy (physically-speaking) young people feeling so hopeless about their future that they relegate themselves to relying on government assistance in order to live, and addressing this goes well beyond merely preserving funding for said programs (which is the bare minimum).

And I will say this. I get it that life is hard and you're suffering with your own struggles. But I come from a working class family in Detroit (I'm black as well) and I probably have some undiagnosed mental disorders myself (if you know me personallyy, you would understand). Yet, I still managed to be the first male in my family to gradute from college and have a decent career. It's been hell getting to where I'm at too, as I've dealt with frequent bouts of joblessness/layoffs and I had to take on tens of thousands in student loan debt. But at least I can say I've never relied on government assistance and I am at least trying to make the best with the cards I've been dealt.

And even now, there are plenty of progams available to help you find secure/decent-paying employment, earn a college degree or pick up a trade if you're willing to at least give it a try and put in some effort. They're not nearly enough, I agree, but it's not as hopeless as you're making it out to be.

However, I don't blame you and other young people for the sentiments you've expressed. The way I see it, Your leaders and the establishmemt as it exist have failed you. And frankly, Democrata (as much as you and other try to defend them) are equally as culpable as the GOP for this sad situation.
 
SimeonNC said:
I am diagnosed with asperger's/ASD, possibly have others, I've also legit struggled with mental health for the majority of my life. I also come from a low-income background. My personal situation isn't relevant. The point that I highlighted is everything wrong with American society and right-wing thought.

The costs of living are higher than ever, a ton of decent paying job requires one if not more college degrees plus a buttload of experience. Not to mention generational poverty in certain communities already bars a ton of people from attaining the degrees necessary to find higher-paying education. The vast-majority of Americans have less than 1k in savings accounts. There are millions of millions of Americans in similar situations to myself for multiple reasons. To just say "go and find higher paying employment" is such a tone-deaf, unempathetic, callous statement to make, painting all low-income people as lesser or "lazy" or whatever.

There is no good reason why someone in the richest country in the world should have to worry about medical debt when needing potentially life-saving procedures or have to choose between paying bills and buying groceries just so they and/or their families can eat.
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There are more than a few posters on this forum with characteristics/background like yours. I hope that we really can get some of the harmful additives out of food and medicine and address the mental health crisis (which I would start with by encouraging people to spend less time on the internet and more time engaging with actual people, focus on spiritual growth, and take opportunities to invest in other peoples' lives).

Being in places like this is not socialization. It's much less healthy than being out and about and thinking about how you can invest in other people. Having a relationship with God and working to make other peoples' lives better is the quickest path to better mental health you can take.

And I'm not sure you have a good grasp on gaslighting. You have been gaslit to believe that the left has the better long-term solution for the country. You do realize, don't you, that civilizations collapse from one of 3 things: Being conquered, social/moral decay, and economic destruction (the latter two make the former much more likely). The left has us well on track for economic and social collapse, and you're letting them use you as a willing participant in the process.

I hope you can gain some insight and wisdom while you're still young, before it actually becomes to late.
 
SimeonNC said:
I am diagnosed with asperger's/ASD, possibly have others, I've also legit struggled with mental health for the majority of my life. I also come from a low-income background. My personal situation isn't relevant. The point that I highlighted is everything wrong with American society and right-wing thought.

The costs of living are higher than ever, a ton of decent paying job requires one if not more college degrees plus a buttload of experience. Not to mention generational poverty in certain communities already bars a ton of people from attaining the degrees necessary to find higher-paying education. The vast-majority of Americans have less than 1k in savings accounts. There are millions of millions of Americans in similar situations to myself for multiple reasons. To just say "go and find higher paying employment" is such a tone-deaf, unempathetic, callous statement to make, painting all low-income people as lesser or "lazy" or whatever.

There is no good reason why someone in the richest country in the world should have to worry about medical debt when needing potentially life-saving procedures or have to choose between paying bills and buying groceries just so they and/or their families can eat.
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Any why has this happened? It goes back a multiple of decades, and the good news for you is that group of people have just lost the election.
 
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NorthDFWwx said:
I wasn't trying to be ableist, but the point behind my question was to highlight that we have much deeper systemic issues in our country's socio-economic order when we have relatively healthy (physically-speaking) young people feeling so hopeless about their future that they relegate themselves to relying on government assistance in order to live, and addressing this goes well beyond merely preserving funding for said programs (which is the bare minimum).

And I will say this. I get it that life is hard and you're suffering with your own struggles. But I come from a working class family in Detroit (I'm black as well) and I probably have some undiagnosed mental disorders myself (if you know me personallyy, you would understand). Yet, I still managed to be the first male in my family to gradute from college and have a decent career. It's been hell getting to where I'm at too, as I've dealt with frequent bouts of joblessness/layoffs and I had to take on tens of thousands in student loan debt. But at least I can say I've never relied on government assistance and I am at least trying to make the best with the cards I've been dealt.

And even now, there are plenty of progams available to help you find secure/decent-paying employment, earn a college degree or pick up a trade if you're willing to at least give it a try and put in some effort. They're not nearly enough, I agree, but it's not as hopeless as you're making it out to be.

However, I don't blame you and other young people for the sentiments you've expressed. The way I see it, Your leaders and the establishmemt as it exist have failed you. And frankly, Democrata (as much as you and other try to defend them) are equally as culpable as the GOP for this sad situation.
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Great post, and a great example of a cordial and thoughtful response.

I'm glad you have the dignity to post things like this, because generally I do not.
 
J.C. said:
Any why has this happened? It goes back a multiple of decades, and the good news for you is that group of people has just lost an election.
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Republicans do not care about the stuff like this. All they care about is all mighty $$. They all need to be kicked out.
 
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Yeah life will suck if you let it

And you can't rely on government to save you and I don't know if you've read it but social security is probably not gonna be around when we get old no matter who the President is

Sometimes I work all day to make sure I can pay my bills. It just comes with the territory

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Victim-hood is the new minority push from Big Government. Don't worry though, wear that victim-hood badge proudly, we're the government, and we're here to help. What they're really saying is, "we will help you by supporting you just enough so that the will to support yourself vanishes. Remember, vote for us so we can keep you tethered to the plantation." Victim-hood is not a disability, it's an excuse that's gas-lit by the elitists. There are disabilities out there that are real, and need attention. Welfare was never meant to be a permanent career choice.
 
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Brent said:
Summary of the above

Yeah life will suck if you let it

And you can't rely on government to save you and I don't know if you've read it but social security is probably not gonna be around when we get old no matter who the President is

Sometimes I work all day to make sure I can pay my bills. It just comes with the territory

/End of rant
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And what happens if you are laid off and cannot find work. That happens you know.
 
Sandbar said:
You sit there and rot? What do you think you do? You can't live of the tit forever bro.
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There are stories everywhere about people who have done nothing but look for work and finding nothing. Some putting 200+ applications in and not even getting 1 interview. I take it most on here have never been laid off. Not everyone can be perfect and find something the next day like most Republicans think people can if they do lose their job.
 
Brent said:
Summary of the above

Yeah life will suck if you let it

And you can't rely on government to save you and I don't know if you've read it but social security is probably not gonna be around when we get old no matter who the President is

Sometimes I work all day to make sure I can pay my bills. It just comes with the territory

/End of rant
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Brent you don't post a whole lot that I agree with, but this I agree with 100 percent. Don't rely on the government to save you no matter who is in charge.
 
JHS said:
There are stories everywhere about people who have done nothing but look for work and finding nothing. Some putting 200+ applications in and not even getting 1 interview. I take it most on here have never been laid off. Not everyone can be perfect and find something the next day like most Republicans think people can if they do lose their job.
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Not true, have been laid off 3 times in the last two years due to "corporate downsizing". Each time was due to capital budget constraints yet the execs in these companies made record bonuses.
 
Sandbar said:
You sit there and rot? What do you think you do? You can't live of the tit forever bro.
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That's where I was talking about sometimes I work all day to the point where I can't anymore. I rarely take a day off unless I'm going somewhere. I don't like sitting at home doing nothing honestly. I keep months of bills in savings in case the worst happens. I'm not expecting or waiting for the government to do anything to help me
 
Skippy The Brat said:
Not true, have been laid off 3 times in the last two years due to "corporate downsizing". Each time was due to capital budget constraints yet the execs in these companies made record bonuses.
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Thank you. If we had good people in Washington this would not happening. CEOs should not make more than $250K a year period. No stock, or anything else. Some of these layoffs might end if this could be done.
 
JHS said:
There are stories everywhere about people who have done nothing but look for work and finding nothing. Some putting 200+ applications in and not even getting 1 interview. I take it most on here have never been laid off. Not everyone can be perfect and find something the next day like most Republicans think people can if they do lose their job.
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Everywhere I go, I see help wanted signs. I've been laid off. But I've been blessed to have some opportunities and to be able to build a career also. It's hard, no question, if you lose your job. At the same time, I hope we can collectively be able to lose our growing dependence on the government.
 
Brent said:
That's where I was talking about sometimes I work all day to the point where I can't anymore. I rarely take a day off unless I'm going somewhere. I don't like sitting at home doing nothing honestly. I keep months of bills in savings in case the worst happens. I'm not expecting or waiting for the government to do anything to help me
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Fair enough.
 
JHS said:
Thank you. If we had good people in Washington this would not happening. CEOs should not make more than $250K a year period. No stock, or anything else. Some of these layoffs might end if this could be done.
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Free markets determine value. You're suggesting intervention. Morally, I agree with you. Practically, in a free market economy, the idea is ludicrous.

What we ought to push for is fairness and transparency within the economic playing field. We have less and less of that today.

The outcroppings are less competition, more collusion, and less resiliency. The Democratic party will not help you with this, even though they bark about it all the time.
 
JHS said:
And what happens if you are laid off and cannot find work. That happens you know.
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Just the fact that you responded to my post with the angry face tells me that you really don't have a grasp of reality. You have the most populous Republican party in history. You have the most blue collar Republican party in history. And all you do is talk about things that you read on left-wing sites like the guardian.
 
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JHS said:
Republicans do not care about the stuff like this. All they care about is all mighty $$. They all need to be kicked out.
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When the public fully comes to the conclusion that it isn't democrat versus republican, but cronies vs the middle class, we will see revolution.
 
SASQUATCH said:
One can start working today at places like Door Dash, Grub Hub, Lyft, Uber...provided you have a vehicle and a decent driving record.
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I did that full time for awhile and let me tell you I was putting up insane miles and long days but the money would have blown your mind.... that's a big reason why now I'm setup for months tbh

There's so many ways to make money now is the point here. It doesn't have to be a traditional job with a boss and coworkers
 
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