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Ukraine Banter Thread

With Iran, Russia ,China aligned. Why are we negotiating through Puttin /Russia with Iran: This is insane. Seriously wish someone would explain, what am I missing here?

"In the months and weeks that led up to Russia's Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine, Western powers signaled clearly that they were prepared to accept the disappearance of Ukraine as an independent state.

U.S. President Joe Biden virtually invited Russian President Vladimir Putin to invade in late January when he said that a "minor incursion" would leave NATO flat-footed. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, like his predecessor Angela Merkel, served as the Kremlin's unofficial spokesman in Europe.

But once Russian forces invaded, the West's plans to yell a bit and look away went awry. The Ukrainians failed to play their assigned role of Paschal lambs. Instead, they rallied around their flag and their president, Volodymyr Zelensky.

For his part, Zelensky captivated the hero-starved West. His rejoinder, when the Biden administration offered to evacuate him from Ukraine on the second day of the war, "I don't need a ride, I need ammunition," reminded Americans of a time when they weren't being attacked for being transphobic or systemically racist, a time when patriotism was permitted.


Once Americans and other Western audiences got a whiff of Ukrainian nationalism, it became politically impossible for Washington, Brussels, Berlin, Paris and London to turn their backs on Kyiv. And so, with little deliberation, Biden and his European counterparts announced a series of unprecedented financial and economic sanctions on Russia and massive shipments of arms and humanitarian aid to Ukraine.

For a moment, it was possible to wonder whether Russia's reminder that the problems of the world cannot be reduced to the pronouns one uses or the amount of carbon one burns on an average day would change the focus of Western elites. But it was not to be. The ruling classes in Brussels and Washington made clear that the war in Ukraine would not steer them off course.

While Poland is giving refuge to nearly two-thirds of the 3 million Ukrainians who have fled their homes, and Hungary has taken in 10% of them, the E.U. parliament passed economic sanctions against both nations last week. Their crime? The nationalist governments in Warsaw and Budapest refuse to toe Brussels' line on Muslim immigration and LGBTQ indoctrination.

As for the Biden administration, Ukraine's fight for national survival in the face of Russian aggression is all well and good. But appeasing Iran is the Biden administration's top priority. And Biden can't appease Iran without Russia. So to keep Russia on board with his administration's efforts to close a deal with Iran, Biden agreed to cut Russia's lucrative business with Iran out of the sanctions.

Russia can expect to receive $10 billion developing Iran's nuclear installations and billions more in arms sales. The implications for Ukraine are clear: The US is willing to let them fight the Russians, but will not help the Ukrainians defeat Russia, because the United States cares more about empowering Iran than helping Ukraine survive.

The deal that Biden is concluding with Iran is itself a stunning testament to the radicalism of the Biden team and its refusal to let reality interfere with its policies. It will provide Iran with $90 billion from sanctions relief. That astronomical sum guarantees massive cash infusions into the coffers of Iran's in-house global terrorist organization--the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, which Biden is set to remove from the State Department's list of foreign terrorist organizations--and to Iran's terror armies in Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, Syria and the Gaza Strip.


Iran will have the funds to expand its missile and drone capabilities. And thanks to the lax restrictions it will face on its nuclear operations, it will become a nuclear threshold state by 2025 at the latest."
 
With Iran, Russia ,China aligned. Why are we negotiating through Puttin /Russia with Iran: This is insane. Seriously wish someone would explain, what am I missing here?

"In the months and weeks that led up to Russia's Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine, Western powers signaled clearly that they were prepared to accept the disappearance of Ukraine as an independent state.

U.S. President Joe Biden virtually invited Russian President Vladimir Putin to invade in late January when he said that a "minor incursion" would leave NATO flat-footed. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, like his predecessor Angela Merkel, served as the Kremlin's unofficial spokesman in Europe.

But once Russian forces invaded, the West's plans to yell a bit and look away went awry. The Ukrainians failed to play their assigned role of Paschal lambs. Instead, they rallied around their flag and their president, Volodymyr Zelensky.

For his part, Zelensky captivated the hero-starved West. His rejoinder, when the Biden administration offered to evacuate him from Ukraine on the second day of the war, "I don't need a ride, I need ammunition," reminded Americans of a time when they weren't being attacked for being transphobic or systemically racist, a time when patriotism was permitted.


Once Americans and other Western audiences got a whiff of Ukrainian nationalism, it became politically impossible for Washington, Brussels, Berlin, Paris and London to turn their backs on Kyiv. And so, with little deliberation, Biden and his European counterparts announced a series of unprecedented financial and economic sanctions on Russia and massive shipments of arms and humanitarian aid to Ukraine.

For a moment, it was possible to wonder whether Russia's reminder that the problems of the world cannot be reduced to the pronouns one uses or the amount of carbon one burns on an average day would change the focus of Western elites. But it was not to be. The ruling classes in Brussels and Washington made clear that the war in Ukraine would not steer them off course.

While Poland is giving refuge to nearly two-thirds of the 3 million Ukrainians who have fled their homes, and Hungary has taken in 10% of them, the E.U. parliament passed economic sanctions against both nations last week. Their crime? The nationalist governments in Warsaw and Budapest refuse to toe Brussels' line on Muslim immigration and LGBTQ indoctrination.

As for the Biden administration, Ukraine's fight for national survival in the face of Russian aggression is all well and good. But appeasing Iran is the Biden administration's top priority. And Biden can't appease Iran without Russia. So to keep Russia on board with his administration's efforts to close a deal with Iran, Biden agreed to cut Russia's lucrative business with Iran out of the sanctions.

Russia can expect to receive $10 billion developing Iran's nuclear installations and billions more in arms sales. The implications for Ukraine are clear: The US is willing to let them fight the Russians, but will not help the Ukrainians defeat Russia, because the United States cares more about empowering Iran than helping Ukraine survive.

The deal that Biden is concluding with Iran is itself a stunning testament to the radicalism of the Biden team and its refusal to let reality interfere with its policies. It will provide Iran with $90 billion from sanctions relief. That astronomical sum guarantees massive cash infusions into the coffers of Iran's in-house global terrorist organization--the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, which Biden is set to remove from the State Department's list of foreign terrorist organizations--and to Iran's terror armies in Lebanon, Yemen, Iraq, Syria and the Gaza Strip.


Iran will have the funds to expand its missile and drone capabilities. And thanks to the lax restrictions it will face on its nuclear operations, it will become a nuclear threshold state by 2025 at the latest."

1. I do agree that the desire for Biden to soon close a deal with Iran on nuclear through Russia is making for a perilous and undesirable situation.

2. Please provide the link(s) from which you got this as the bulk of this (at least) isn't your own and sources should always be cited. I assume it was just an oversight. Thanks.
 
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The article referenced a Bloomberg article. Do you see Russians under your bed at night? Russophobia is strong.

That article is quite a different impression than the headlines in the original tweet.

Also, I strongly recommend not doing Russia jokes like what you just did. I know you're trying to be funny and make a point about a current event, but that subject goes waaaaay back and has several more layers than you might be aware.
 
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That article is quite a different impression than the headlines in the original tweet.

Also, I strongly recommend not doing Russia jokes like what you just did. I know you're trying to be funny and make a point about a current event, but that subject goes waaaaay back and has several more layers than you might be aware.
No it's not. The article had the link and drew excerpts. Not all Russians are evil as the OP alluded to with their absolutes which is prejudice.

"I guess since zerohedge is owned by the Russians this almost makes sense for the Ukrainian banter thread...."
 
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I kind of feel bad for him. The only reason any of this matters is if he laundered money and that is yet to be seen.

Apparently the contents of that laptop is quite dark.


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No it's not. The article had the link and drew excerpts. Not all Russians are evil as the OP alluded to with their absolutes which is prejudice.

"I guess since zerohedge is owned by the Russians this almost makes sense for the Ukrainian banter thread...."

Are these youtubers propagandists?

I said the twitter headline gave a different impression of the article's contents than what I read in the Bloomberg article. An impression is an opinion. I gave mine. You gave yours.

As for my advice, I gave it in good faith and am simply stating that certain subjects have more layers than on the surface, and that there may be more to consider than making a point about the current event. That is all.
 
My neutral stance comes from a place of me not wanting to have ww3. Best way to end this is through peace not violence


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You do know that taking a neutral stance is what brought us into WWII. Why do you think what didn't work then will work now ?
 
You do know that taking a neutral stance is what brought us into WWII. Why do you think what didn't work then will work now ?

You gotta keep this between Russia and Ukraine. Can’t make any moves that could boil over into larger scale conflict


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You gotta keep this between Russia and Ukraine. Can’t make any moves that could boil over into larger scale conflict


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And what happen if he moves to Poland and then to Romania. I guess if somebody was attacking your wife and your neighbors just sat and watched because the guy said he would hit them if they did , you would be alright with that. They should not lift a finger to help your wife if they have the same values as you.
 
And what happen if he moves to Poland and then to Romania. I guess if somebody was attacking your wife and your neighbors just sat and watched because the guy said he would hit them if they did , you would be alright with that. They should not lift a finger to help your wife if they have the same values as you.

Well let’s start by using common sense. Ask
Yourself this how well is Russia actually doing in Ukraine? Considering they lost of equipment and thousands of troops has been killed. Do you actually believe Russia is going to try move into another country? I don’t think they have the man power to do it considering how they struggled in Ukraine.


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I said the twitter headline gave a different impression of the article's contents than what I read in the Bloomberg article. An impression is an opinion. I gave mine. You gave yours.

As for my advice, I gave it in good faith and am simply stating that certain subjects have more layers than on the surface, and that there may be more to consider than making a point about the current event. That is all.
The OP was being discriminatinatory to all Russians. All Russians are not bad people. Russophobia is real.
 
Well let’s start by using common sense. Ask
Yourself this how well is Russia actually doing in Ukraine? Considering they lost of equipment and thousands of troops has been killed. Do you actually believe Russia is going to try move into another country? I don’t think they have the man power to do it considering how they struggled in Ukraine.


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You realize the reason they have struggled with Ukraine is because of sitting there and doing nothing the US and NATO and several other nations have sent tons of weapons and ammo to Ukraine so they can kick Russia's ass.
 
The OP was being discriminatinatory to all Russians. All Russians are not bad people. Russophobia is real.

Zerohedge is trash.....garbage, its 100% agenda driven pro Russian propaganda --------....I dunno how you equate me pointing out this is a pro Russian government mouth piece equals discrimination against all Russian people....


"A former Zero Hedge employee named Colin Lokey, who says he earned more than $100,000 in a year writing much of the site’s political content, claimed that he felt pressure to frame issues in a misleading way. “I tried to inject as much truth as I could into my posts, but there’s no room for it,” Lokey told Bloomberg in 2016. “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.” In its published reply, Zero Hedge blasted Lokey as “deranged” and said critics had falsely called the website a Russian disinformation outlet “simply because we refused to follow the pro-U.S. script.”
 
Well let’s start by using common sense. Ask
Yourself this how well is Russia actually doing in Ukraine? Considering they lost of equipment and thousands of troops has been killed. Do you actually believe Russia is going to try move into another country? I don’t think they have the man power to do it considering how they struggled in Ukraine.


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So You ignored the part about your wife. Is it okay with you that no one helps your wife if she were attacked . You don't think they should help your wife because they don't want to get attacked even though they are bigger and stronger than the attacker. You think it is right for them to just sit and watch. He told them he would hit them if they called the police.
 
You realize the reason they have struggled with Ukraine is because of sitting there and doing nothing the US and NATO and several other nations have sent tons of weapons and ammo to Ukraine so they can kick Russia's Tom Brady Sucks.

And we as Americans hope that something bigger doesn’t break out. What we do know is cyberattacks are coming to US businesses. We certainly hope that’s the end game. However based on the intelligence I hear on telegram is the mission is about over in Ukraine


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So You ignored the part about your wife. Is it okay with you that no one helps your wife if she were attacked . You don't think they should help your wife because they don't want to get attacked even though they are bigger and stronger than the attacker. You think it is right for them to just sit and watch. He told them he would hit them if they called the police.

We’ve got Guns and my wife knows how to use them… we can leave it at that


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And we as Americans hope that something bigger doesn’t break out. What we do know is cyberattacks are coming to US businesses. We certainly hope that’s the end game. However based on the intelligence I hear on telegram is the mission is about over in Ukraine


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Jessy you have not answered my question.
 
We’ve got Guns and my wife knows how to use them… we can leave it at that


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You are not there and he took her gun. That is what he is hitting her with. Neighbor just watching , drinking beer. Is it okay with you that the neighbor does nothing to help.
 
You are not there and he took her gun. That is what he is hitting her with. Neighbor just watching , drinking beer. Is it okay with you that the neighbor does nothing to help.

Well so many questions goes into this. Does this neighbor have kids. If so this neighbor first priority is his own family. So I don’t know what the right answer to this is. I know If the roles was reversed the neighbors wife was being beaten I would first think about my own wife and kids and do whatever possible to keep them safe. Because face it a man’s number one priority is his own family


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Well so many questions goes into this. Does this neighbor have kids. If so this neighbor first priority is his own family. So I don’t know what the right answer to this is. I know If the roles was reversed the neighbors wife was being beaten I would first think about my own wife and kids and do whatever possible to keep them safe. Because face it a man’s number one priority is his own family


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So it is okay to drink beer and watch your wife get pistil whipped. Guy has no family
 
So it is okay to drink beer and watch your wife get pistil whipped. Guy has no family

In that sense no. But Americans are not exactly drinking and eating popcorn while Ukraine is being attacked.


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In that sense no. But Americans are not exactly drinking and eating popcorn while Ukraine is being attacked.


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And by the way, the reason Ukraine doing so well is because their "neighbors" are not sitting and watching. They are helping by sending weapons and supplies . You are the one who keeps saying do nothing
 
And by the way, the reason Ukraine doing so well is because their "neighbors" are not sitting and watching. They are helping by sending weapons and supplies . You are the one who keeps saying do nothing

I wish people actually knew what this Ukraine mission was about. This isn’t a invasion at all. It’s a mission to fight back against the cabal and New world order. I can tell you the New world order has been severely damaged


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Zerohedge is trash.....garbage, its 100% agenda driven pro Russian propaganda --------....I dunno how you equate me pointing out this is a pro Russian government mouth piece equals discrimination against all Russian people....


"A former Zero Hedge employee named Colin Lokey, who says he earned more than $100,000 in a year writing much of the site’s political content, claimed that he felt pressure to frame issues in a misleading way. “I tried to inject as much truth as I could into my posts, but there’s no room for it,” Lokey told Bloomberg in 2016. “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.” In its published reply, Zero Hedge blasted Lokey as “deranged” and said critics had falsely called the website a Russian disinformation outlet “simply because we refused to follow the pro-U.S. script.”
"owned by the Russians this almost makes sense for the Ukrainian banter thread" That's discrimination. Guess your definition of bloomberg is "Russian" now.
 
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