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JHS said:
What is insane is the fact that 15 million people have caught covid-19 with over 200000 deaths. If people would have just did the right thing with masks and the 6 foot distancing no lockdown would be needed.
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Prove it, prove every single one of them contracted the virus from an individual not wearing a mask in public. You can't. Now do mask help? Maybe but to blame all cases and deaths on those not wearing a stupid mask is as absurd as a 10 pm curfew to mitigate the spread.
In fact, I know of numerous cases where the exposure were coworkers, wearing mask.
 
metwannabe said:
Prove it, prove every single one of them contracted the virus from an individual not wearing a mask in public. You can't. Now do mask help? Maybe but to blame all cases and deaths on those not wearing a stupid mask is as absurd as a 10 pm curfew to mitigate the spread.
In fact, I know of numerous cases where the exposure were coworkers, wearing mask.
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That right there could be reason enough to make the lockdown much tighter. NOTHING open except grocery stores and pharmacies along with other absolutely essential things such as doctors offices, hospitals and police.
 
metwannabe said:
Prove it, prove every single one of them contracted the virus from an individual not wearing a mask in public. You can't. Now do mask help? Maybe but to blame all cases and deaths on those not wearing a stupid mask is as absurd as a 10 pm curfew to mitigate the spread.
In fact, I know of numerous cases where the exposure were coworkers, wearing mask.
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You know this is going to go round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round
 
superjames1992 said:
So, I’m trying to figure out the curfew. Is it just an order for businesses to close at 10pm, or is it a true restriction on citizens’ freedom of movement after 10 pm? They are both bad, but the latter would really piss me off. I think curfews are Unamerican.
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Per Cooper it's a restriction on citizens...

"It means just what it says: People are to stay at home between those hours," Cooper added in the news conference.
 
metwannabe said:
Prove it, prove every single one of them contracted the virus from an individual not wearing a mask in public. You can't. Now do mask help? Maybe but to blame all cases and deaths on those not wearing a stupid mask is as absurd as a 10 pm curfew to mitigate the spread.
In fact, I know of numerous cases where the exposure were coworkers, wearing mask.
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He does have somewhat of a point. Notice he said and and not or. Distancing plays a huge role in preventing it. Unfortunately people weren't willing to be responsible and slow the spread it appears. Sure people want to "live their lives" but don't come crying to those who warned that you could be seriously impacted by covid if you get it. If people can't be responsible and control themselves the government will step in and try to help. Sure it might be ridiculous but that's what irresponsibility comes with. Don't complain to the government first, complain to your irresponsible neighbors who act like there's nothing going around and aren't trying to prevent getting it or spreading it.
 
JHS said:
That right there could be reason enough to make the lockdown much tighter. NOTHING open except grocery stores and pharmacies along with other absolutely essential things such as doctors offices, hospitals and police.
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What do you think will happen as soon as the lockdown is over or loosened? Take a guess.
 
ForsythSnow said:
He does have somewhat of a point. Notice he said and and not or. Distancing plays a huge role in preventing it. Unfortunately people weren't willing to be responsible and slow the spread it appears. Sure people want to "live their lives" but don't come crying to those who warned that you could be seriously impacted by covid if you get it. If people can't be responsible and control themselves the government will step in and try to help. Sure it might be ridiculous but that's what irresponsibility comes with. Don't complain to the government first, complain to your irresponsible neighbors who act like there's nothing going around and aren't trying to prevent getting it or spreading it.
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Way too much blame being thrown around when no one knows all the facts. I'll stop because it will just go round and round but y'all keep pointing fingers and pushing for more government control.
 
JHS said:
That right there could be reason enough to make the lockdown much tighter. NOTHING open except grocery stores and pharmacies along with other absolutely essential things such as doctors offices, hospitals and police.
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Has anyone ever called you chicken little ? You definitely like to go to extremes with things are very doom and gloom the skies falling . Honestly part of me suspects you are trolling us.
 
SD said:
Saw this on Facebook can someone verify I'm lazyView attachment 56322
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Maybe for a single incident or cause but with nearly 3 million deaths last year, that's an avg of well over 7k a day in the US. We just don't track all of them like we do in a pandemic
 
JHS said:
Maybe not this time since we now have vaccines in the works. If they prove successful things can be eased up and we can maybe get close to normal again. That may be 8-10 months away though.
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Millions of human beings cannot be expected to remain under lockdown indefinitely. It won't happen. That's just a fact. And who is to say that you won't see a mutation that renders the virus ineffective? And millions will not get the vaccine. We need to start paying attention to what's going on around us instead of cowering in the corner in fear.
 
Rain Cold said:
Millions of human beings cannot be expected to remain under lockdown indefinitely. It won't happen. That's just a fact. And who is to say that you won't see a mutation that renders the virus ineffective? And millions will not get the vaccine. We need to start paying attention to what's going on around us instead of cowering in the corner in fear.
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Valid points, especially the 1st one. It would be a nightmare if that happened.
 
Rain Cold said:
Millions of human beings cannot be expected to remain under lockdown indefinitely. It won't happen. That's just a fact. And who is to say that you won't see a mutation that renders the virus ineffective? And millions will not get the vaccine. We need to start paying attention to what's going on around us instead of cowering in the corner in fear.
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So we just push forward wish everyone the best and hope the death toll isn't too high before it hopefully mutates to a less deadly version or herd immunity is achieved?

Btw I do agree about lockdowns. I just see a lot of these same things posted on FB but never a lot of answers to solving the issue of the virus itself
 
SD said:
So we just push forward wish everyone the best and hope the death toll isn't too high before it hopefully mutates to a less deadly version or herd immunity is achieved?

Btw I do agree about lockdowns. I just see a lot of these same things posted on FB but never a lot of answers to solving the issue of the virus itself
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I wonder if it puzzles anyone else why there aren't many discussions of treatment. All we hear are masks, distancing, lockdowns, curfews, new restrictions, vaccines. There are rumors of therapeutic cocktails out there, but oh no, none of that stuff works. Everyone quickly shuts down that discussion before you can even bring it up. That is a big red flag for me in this whole situation.
 
Rain Cold said:
I wonder if it puzzles anyone else why there aren't many discussions of treatment. All we hear are masks, distancing, lockdowns, curfews, new restrictions, vaccines. There are rumors of therapeutic cocktails out there, but oh no, none of that stuff works. Everyone quickly shuts down that discussion before you can even bring it up. That is a big red flag for me in this whole situation.
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I could be wrong but I believe 2 treatments recently hit the market for positive with symptoms and positive with no symptoms but high risk patients. I'm probably wrong but I'm buying more and more into the idea this wasn't naturally occurring.
 
SD said:
I could be wrong but I believe 2 treatments recently hit the market for positive with symptoms and positive with no symptoms but high risk patients. I'm probably wrong but I'm buying more and more into the idea this wasn't naturally occurring.
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I've seen a lot of reports that something like vit D + zinc + hcq is quite effective if taken early. But I think we have go go with expensive name brand items. I'm confident it came out of a lab.
 
SD said:
Saw this on Facebook can someone verify I'm lazyView attachment 56322
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Well, it’s basically false.

1. Many thousands of people die each day, with or without Covid.
2. I’m 100% sure thousands more were dying daily with the Spanish Flu.
 
I've been just following everything the government/doctors have said since the whole thing started but honestly the curfew is literally the most pointless thing ever. Bars are already de facto forced to close at 9 because of the alcohol sales law, and everything else that isn't essential that would be open late such as clubs and stuff have already been closed since the beginning of the pandemic.
 
superjames1992 said:
Well, it’s basically false.

1. Many thousands of people die each day, with or without Covid.
2. I’m 100% sure thousands more were dying daily with the Spanish Flu.
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The 1918 pandemic (Spanish Flu) killed ~675000 over a two year period. We are knocking on half that number in 9 months with Covid. Extrapolated out the 1918 pandemic averaged around 900 deaths/day for 2 years, although I’m sure just like this one there were much higher and lower days.
 
ontherocks said:
The 1918 pandemic (Spanish Flu) killed ~675000 over a two year period. We are knocking on half that number in 9 months with Covid. Extrapolated out the 1918 pandemic averaged around 900 deaths/day for 2 years, although I’m sure just like this one there were much higher and lower days.
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It's also hard to compare the 2 just based on advancement of medical care. Imagine if we were still as linited in treatment as they were then.
 
JHS said:
www.wspa.com

UK investigates possible allergic reactions to COVID-19 shot

U.K. regulators said Wednesday that people who have a “significant history’’ of allergic reactions shouldn’t receive the new Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine while they investigate two adverse reactions tha…
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Possible trouble for 1 of the vaccines.
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It's hard for me to believe that these vaccines underwent all of the rigorous testing that is typical for these kinds of things.
 
Rain Cold said:
I've seen a lot of reports that something like vit D + zinc + hcq is quite effective if taken early. But I think we have go go with expensive name brand items. I'm confident it came out of a lab.
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If that was the case, the President's treatment plan would have been just that. However you never heard anything more about it along these lines cause that wouldn't have helped at all. I really question where your reports are coming from.
 
Rain Cold said:
It's hard for me to believe that these vaccines underwent all of the rigorous testing that is typical for these kinds of things.
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They went through all the trials pahses they are supposed to go through. Drug manufacturing still has to go through the same regulatory and safety protocols. I work at a place making a vaccine now and nothing is different about our process than we've had for the many other things we manufacture as well.
 
Steven_1974 said:
If that was the case, the President's treatment plan would have been just that. However you never heard anything more about it along these lines cause that wouldn't have helped at all. I really question where your reports are coming from.
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I'm sure you're right. The only thing that will save us are lockdowns, name-brand medications, and rushed vaccines.
 
Rain Cold said:
I'm sure you're right. The only thing that will save us are lockdowns, name-brand medications, and rushed vaccines.
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If any of what you believe was true, there is no way the doctors would have let almost 300k people die in this country.
 
ontherocks said:
The 1918 pandemic (Spanish Flu) killed ~675000 over a two year period. We are knocking on half that number in 9 months with Covid. Extrapolated out the 1918 pandemic averaged around 900 deaths/day for 2 years, although I’m sure just like this one there were much higher and lower days.
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For some reason, I was thinking 2-4 million deaths, but looks like you’re right. Regardless, population adjusted it was still far worse given the US population today is triple what it was in 1918, so the 2020 equivalent would be around 2 million deaths (maybe this is what I was thinking of?).
 
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