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Avalanche said:
Fox shows actual documents as opposed to CNN who adds inserts. If you qoute, you quote, not add spin on what someone says.
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1. Shep Smith was a huge loss for Fox! They didn't want him to go. Now that's a true journalist! But he wasn't on at night. At least they still have Chris Wallace.

2. I think the worst one at night at Fox is Hannity. He's an awful hack! Laura is almost as bad a hack but not as obnoxious and a lot prettier. ;)
Tucker appears to be a little more objective at times. I thought O'Reilly was much better because he seemed fairly objective much of the time and usually gave both sides equal time. I miss him.

3. I used to think Anderson Cooper was a decent journalist, but he's ruined it now with his constant anti-Trump bias (and I'm not a Trump fan at all). Lemon is ridiculous. Sometimes Cuomo gives one the appearance of trying to be objective but he's also too anti-Trump.

4. All of MSNBC at night are pure hacks.
 
Im going to hit the sack and enjoy the 3 percent unemployment, 60 million off of food stamps, and quarterly gdp growth since Trump passed legislation while we still have it. You all can enjoy the incoming green new deal, tax hikes, after birth abortions, gun confiscations, electric car mandates (they couldnt be charged in Californias power outage last week lol), carbon taxes, beef tax increases, church regulations, capital gains taxes, death taxes (limiting what you can leave to your family estate), multigender bathrooms (so you can explain to your little kids there's no such thing as boys and girls), 11 percent unemployment that we use to have. Lol!!
 
Downeastnc said:
This is the guy running our country, I mean this isnt diplomacy this is lunacy.....sad that some people think this guy is smart, or a good negotiator.....or re-electable, there is no way this country is stupid enough to give him 4 more years....I had to look this up to make sure it was not a fake letter making fun of Trump sadly this is a actual letter our president sent the leader of another country

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Well I guess I am "stupid enough" dude. Why? Hillary Clinton 3 years ago is why. Why next year? Take a long look at what the Democrat party has become. Take a long look at every major city run in the ground by them for decades. Every State controlled by them for decades. Thats what you want? Im sorry but I was raised better than what the Democrat party offers. I have piles of work coming in, my retirement is solid, I feel safe. He checks the boxes I want checked

You want what the other candidates are offering? Dont give me any of that lesser of two evils crap. As soon as the "PARTY" selects its preferred candidate its back to the status quo which is NOTHING. It will be abortion, climate change, racism, guns, blah, blah, blah.......If thats what you want have at it my man. Ive been hearing it for 30 years since the first time I voted.
 
Sandbar said:
Well I guess I am "stupid enough" dude. Why? Hillary Clinton 3 years ago is why. Why next year? Take a long look at what the Democrat party has become. Take a long look at every major city run in the ground by them for decades. Every State controlled by them for decades. Thats what you want? Im sorry but I was raised better than what the Democrat party offers. I have piles of work coming in, my retirement is solid, I feel safe. He checks the boxes I want checked

You want what the other candidates are offering? Dont give me any of that lesser of two evils crap. As soon as the "PARTY" selects its preferred candidate its back to the status quo which is NOTHING. It will be abortion, climate change, racism, guns, blah, blah, blah.......If thats what you want have at it my man. Ive been hearing it for 30 years since the first time I voted.
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This is far right talking point stuff, and it is wrong, red states are poorer and more reliant on the federal government than blue states.....a better argument is comparing tax rates etc...but that beside the point......I will not vote for anyone the Dems run, I just also wont vote for Trump.....I oppose Trump BECAUSE I want the GOP to win and Trump is so bad and so hated that not only do the Dems stand a chance at winning they are actually going to be emboldened to run someone more left of center than ever before....maybe Trump pulls it out if they do run a Warren ( Biden will crush him) so you need to hope for that and I will hope the GOP leadership tells Trump to hit the road and gets Nikki Haley in as VP and either runs Pence/Haley or Haley/someone.....
 
Downeastnc said:
This is far right talking point stuff, and it is wrong, red states are poorer and more reliant on the federal government than blue states.....a better argument is comparing tax rates etc...but that beside the point......I will not vote for anyone the Dems run, I just also wont vote for Trump.....I oppose Trump BECAUSE I want the GOP to win and Trump is so bad and so hated that not only do the Dems stand a chance at winning they are actually going to be emboldened to run someone more left of center than ever before....maybe Trump pulls it out if they do run a Warren ( Biden will crush him) so you need to hope for that and I will hope the GOP leadership tells Trump to hit the road and gets Nikki Haley in as VP and either runs Pence/Haley or Haley/someone.....
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You look at the inner cities run by Democrats for decades. Its one of two things. Rich white liberals and poor minorities voting them in. Guess which one suffers year after year after year after year? Yep and they continue to vote the same people in over and over and over again. Remember 2016. Hillary can't lose. Trump the clown can't win. The polls! You hate Trump. That's fine I get it. He's going to be your President next year and the 4 years after so you might as well buckle up. My honest suggestion to you would be to stop looking at the news and social media if your TDS is that bad. Just a thought......
 
Taking a break-ish from the Trump talk, it is amusing that there are sects of the left who are just obsessed with calling out their own for BS reasons.

Like for example, apparently people are calling out AOC for voicing her support for Bernie Sanders because Bernie is a white male and that apparently she should be supporting other powerful women of color or something. Also, they are obsessed with accusing any outsider of having connections to the Russian government, like they have been going after Tulsi Gabbard for a while and now I saw this twitter thread now accusing Andrew Yang of having connections to the Russians.

I swear Trump has made the the left go batpoop insane lol
 
Downeastnc said:
This is far right talking point stuff, and it is wrong, red states are poorer and more reliant on the federal government than blue states.....a better argument is comparing tax rates etc...but that beside the point......I will not vote for anyone the Dems run, I just also wont vote for Trump.....I oppose Trump BECAUSE I want the GOP to win and Trump is so bad and so hated that not only do the Dems stand a chance at winning they are actually going to be emboldened to run someone more left of center than ever before....maybe Trump pulls it out if they do run a Warren ( Biden will crush him) so you need to hope for that and I will hope the GOP leadership tells Trump to hit the road and gets Nikki Haley in as VP and either runs Pence/Haley or Haley/someone.....
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I’m not sure I buy the red states are poorer argument anymore. After reading article after article about how people are barely getting by in places like California on a two person income and can’t even afford a small house also the fact that they tax the crap out of them. All this on an income four to six times what I make. I think the red states take more aid because they can due to how the government uses national income as a base for poverty, and does not account for the low cost of living.
 
Arcc said:
I’m not sure I buy the red states are poorer argument anymore. After reading article after article about how people are barely getting by in places like California on a two person income and can’t even afford a small house. All this on an income four to six times what I make. I think the red states take more aid because they can due to how the government uses national income as a base for poverty, and does not account for the low cost of living.
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I don't think the whole "Red State" "Blue State" thing is either to some degree. I was going to try and make a point for county to county basis, but I can't even see that in Georgia. From what I can tell based on my own state, my county, which has been pretty red, is one of the lowest SNAP receiving counties in the state. Most of the north metro counties seem to be. Fulton is a blue county, and is lower than the north metro, yet much better off than south Georgia, which also is very red. There just is no consistency.
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Here's the 2016 election results.
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If you can't even break it down county-by county in each state on the food stamp part alone, there is no correlation between SNAP recipients and county-based political alignment, at least in the state of Georgia.
 
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SimeonNC said:
Taking a break-ish from the Trump talk, it is amusing that there are sects of the left who are just obsessed with calling out their own for BS reasons.

Like for example, apparently people are calling out AOC for voicing her support for Bernie Sanders because Bernie is a white male and that apparently she should be supporting other powerful women of color or something. Also, they are obsessed with accusing any outsider of having connections to the Russian government, like they have been going after Tulsi Gabbard for a while and now I saw this twitter thread now accusing Andrew Yang of having connections to the Russians.

I swear Trump has made the the left go batpoop insane lol
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Yeah man their insane identity politics and labeling every individual and/or group is nothing short of new age segregation.... it's crazy and as you mention it's causing them to basically eat their own. But they are the tolerant one's.........
 
Arcc said:
I’m not sure I buy the red states are poorer argument anymore. After reading article after article about how people are barely getting by in places like California on a two person income and can’t even afford a small house also the fact that they tax the crap out of them. All this on an income four to six times what I make. I think the red states take more aid because they can due to how the government uses national income as a base for poverty, and does not account for the low cost of living.
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Maybe, but percentage wise the poorest least successful states are all red states.....it has to do with a lot more than just which party is in control, the data especially when cherry picked makes blue/purple states look a lot better than red in most cases.....the fact is the states with the best economies, best quality of life etc are all mostly blue/purple states, but again the party in charge of the politics of those states has less to do with it than other factors IMO.....

A lot of the deep red southern states are at the bottom of every metric you measure states by.....now is this because of GOP leadership or are there other factors......same thing goes for states at the top of the metrics most of them are blue but we don't think its because the Dems are in charge right...
 
Downeastnc said:
Maybe, but percentage wise the poorest least successful states are all red states.....it has to do with a lot more than just which party is in control, the data especially when cherry picked makes blue/purple states look a lot better than red in most cases.....the fact is the states with the best economies, best quality of life etc are all mostly blue/purple states, but again the party in charge of the politics of those states has less to do with it than other factors IMO.....

A lot of the deep red southern states are at the bottom of every metric you measure states by.....now is this because of GOP leadership or are there other factors......same thing goes for states at the top of the metrics most of them are blue but we don't think its because the Dems are in charge right...
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Thanks for a good laugh on this beautiful crisp Fall morning....
 
To be fair, not all blue states/blue cities are like California or any of the major cities. Most of New England is blue, though I imagine the Dems in rural NE are more moderate than a Dem in the West Coast.

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It would be interesting to see the political orientation of cities against their debt/solvency, rather than the wealth of the people (whether the area is more affluent vs. poorer).
 
metwannabe said:
Thanks for a good laugh on this beautiful crisp Fall morning....
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I mean just using the most basic metric there is "life expectancy" its pretty obvious.....the top 10 lowest life expectancy states in the country are all deep red, the top 10 all blue/purple......

Then there is this.....

The top ten most educated states are:

  1. Massachusetts
  2. Maryland
  3. Colorado
  4. Connecticut
  5. Vermont
  6. New Hampshire
  7. Virginia
  8. Minnesota
  9. Washington
  10. New Jersey
While the 10 least educated states are:

41. Oklahoma
42. Texas
43. Tennessee
44. Alabama
45. Nevada
46. Kentucky
47. Arkansas
48. Louisiana
49. Mississippi
50. West Virginia

So this begs the question why.......again its not as easy as saying one party or the other is in charge....my point is to show how saying crap like inner cities are in bad shape because Dems are in charge is a case of throwing stones in the glass house.
 
SimeonNC said:
To be fair, not all blue states/blue cities are like California or any of the major cities. Most of New England is blue, though I imagine the Dems in rural NE are more moderate than a Dem in the West Coast.

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Probably but then again I present to you Bernie Sanders.... Lol
 
Downeastnc said:
I mean just using the most basic metric there is "life expectancy" its pretty obvious.....the top 10 lowest life expectancy states in the country are all deep red, the top 10 all blue/purple......

Then there is this.....

The top ten most educated states are:

  1. Massachusetts
  2. Maryland
  3. Colorado
  4. Connecticut
  5. Vermont
  6. New Hampshire
  7. Virginia
  8. Minnesota
  9. Washington
  10. New Jersey
While the 10 least educated states are:

41. Oklahoma
42. Texas
43. Tennessee
44. Alabama
45. Nevada
46. Kentucky
47. Arkansas
48. Louisiana
49. Mississippi
50. West Virginia

So this begs the question why.......again its not as easy as saying one party or the other is in charge....my point is to show how saying crap like inner cities are in bad shape because Dems are in charge is a case of throwing stones in the glass house.
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I guess I'm good then, I have lived in 4 states so far in my life and only one of them are the least educated! Haha. Btw, not knocking education. I have a master's degree. But if I had to trade my common sense for that degree I would keep my Common Sense every day of the week.
 
Downeastnc said:
Maybe, but percentage wise the poorest least successful states are all red states.....it has to do with a lot more than just which party is in control, the data especially when cherry picked makes blue/purple states look a lot better than red in most cases.....the fact is the states with the best economies, best quality of life etc are all mostly blue/purple states, but again the party in charge of the politics of those states has less to do with it than other factors IMO.....

A lot of the deep red southern states are at the bottom of every metric you measure states by.....now is this because of GOP leadership or are there other factors......same thing goes for states at the top of the metrics most of them are blue but we don't think its because the Dems are in charge right...
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Better for who? Tell that to the millions of minorities that continue to be pooped on in blue COUNTIES. I keep hearing the same complaints every 4 years from them yet they continue to vote these same people into office over and over again. Its funny.....I watched as much as that debate the other night as I could stand and I cringe when I see millionaires complaining to other millionaires about how aweful millionaires are.
 
Downeastnc said:
I mean just using the most basic metric there is "life expectancy" its pretty obvious.....the top 10 lowest life expectancy states in the country are all deep red, the top 10 all blue/purple......

Then there is this.....

The top ten most educated states are:

  1. Massachusetts
  2. Maryland
  3. Colorado
  4. Connecticut
  5. Vermont
  6. New Hampshire
  7. Virginia
  8. Minnesota
  9. Washington
  10. New Jersey
While the 10 least educated states are:

41. Oklahoma
42. Texas
43. Tennessee
44. Alabama
45. Nevada
46. Kentucky
47. Arkansas
48. Louisiana
49. Mississippi
50. West Virginia

So this begs the question why.......again its not as easy as saying one party or the other is in charge....my point is to show how saying crap like inner cities are in bad shape because Dems are in charge is a case of throwing stones in the glass house.
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You mean the 10 most indoctrinated states? As a college grad myself (although a long time ago, when we actually kept politics out of the classroom and history was actually taught) I'll say this, I'm not a fan of using "most educated" as a measure, not by today's standards of education. I know some fine folks, who are very successful, that are not highly educated. You don't need a college degree to be successful, learning a trade is just as sufficient and can be just as, if not more, productive and prosperous. That's a whole other debate though.

Back to the "best quality of life" in the blue states argument: I don't see it, you can throw all the metrics at me you want, I have no desire to move to any of those blue states and I find it interesting that people and businesses are leaving NY/Ca in droves, moving to places like Tx/Fl.
 
Downeastnc said:
I mean just using the most basic metric there is "life expectancy" its pretty obvious.....the top 10 lowest life expectancy states in the country are all deep red, the top 10 all blue/purple......

Then there is this.....

The top ten most educated states are:

  1. Massachusetts
  2. Maryland
  3. Colorado
  4. Connecticut
  5. Vermont
  6. New Hampshire
  7. Virginia
  8. Minnesota
  9. Washington
  10. New Jersey
While the 10 least educated states are:

41. Oklahoma
42. Texas
43. Tennessee
44. Alabama
45. Nevada
46. Kentucky
47. Arkansas
48. Louisiana
49. Mississippi
50. West Virginia

So this begs the question why.......again its not as easy as saying one party or the other is in charge....my point is to show how saying crap like inner cities are in bad shape because Dems are in charge is a case of throwing stones in the glass house.
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Ok.....so why are the inner cities in such poor shape? Why can't these problems be solved? Millions of democrat voters live within these confines yet all I see is gloom despair and agony combined with decades of broken promises. These people aren't voting for Republicans so my only observation is that either these people are completely happy living in filth and poverty or they are just ignorant to the fact that they are being used by the people living above them in the penthouse
 
metwannabe said:
You mean the 10 most indoctrinated states? As a college grad myself (although a long time ago, when we actually kept politics out of the classroom and history was actually taught) I'll say this, I'm not a fan of using "most educated" as a measure, not by today's standards of education. I know some fine folks, who are very successful, that are not highly educated. You don't need a college degree to be successful, learning a trade is just as sufficient and can be just as, if not more, productive and prosperous. That's a whole other debate though.

Back to the "best quality of life" in the blue states argument: I don't see it, you can throw all the metrics at me you want, I have no desire to move to any of those blue states and I find it interesting that people and businesses are leaving NY/Ca in droves, moving to places like Tx/Fl.
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If you take 10 degreed people at random and compare them to 10 HS or lower educated people picked at random the 10 college grads will be doing much better, there are always exception to the rules.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...lege-grads-and-everyone-else-record/96493348/

College graduates, on average, earned 56% more than high school grads in 2015, according to data compiled by the Economic Policy Institute. That was up from 51% in 1999 and is the largest such gap in EPI's figures dating to 1973.

Since the Great Recession ended in 2009, college-educated workers have captured most of the new jobs and enjoyed pay gains. Non-college grads, by contrast, have faced dwindling job opportunities and an overall 3% decline in income, EPI's data shows.
 
Downeastnc said:
If you take 10 degreed people at random and compare them to 10 HS or lower educated people picked at random the 10 college grads will be doing much better, there are always exception to the rules.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...lege-grads-and-everyone-else-record/96493348/

College graduates, on average, earned 56% more than high school grads in 2015, according to data compiled by the Economic Policy Institute. That was up from 51% in 1999 and is the largest such gap in EPI's figures dating to 1973.

Since the Great Recession ended in 2009, college-educated workers have captured most of the new jobs and enjoyed pay gains. Non-college grads, by contrast, have faced dwindling job opportunities and an overall 3% decline in income, EPI's data shows.
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You're the best promoter of Dems in here and yet you say your Republican, it's confusing frankly.

Intended or not, your first line is basically denigrating those who are HS graduates only. Some of your facts are true but they are also a tool, to almost "force" individuals to have to go to colleges where the vast majority these days are indoctrinating our youth with socialist ideas. More college graduates today then ever support socialist ideologies and yet most have no idea how detrimental those policies will be.

Dems keep individuals down so they need them to survive, they've infiltrated colleges like the 30's axis of evil and then create an environment where you will only be successful if you have that degree or at least a narrative to make you believe it, they completely over look the average hard working, taxpaying, law abiding citizen by which the very foundation of this country was established and they do it all for one purpose: to remain in power.
 
Sandbar said:
Ok.....so why are the inner cities in such poor shape? Why can't these problems be solved? Millions of democrat voters live within these confines yet all I see is gloom despair and agony combined with decades of broken promises. These people aren't voting for Republicans so my only observation is that either these people are completely happy living in filth and poverty or they are just ignorant to the fact that they are being used by the people living above them in the penthouse
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I could use the same argument about many, many places in rural southern American run by Republicans....the poorest states in the country are ran by Republican legislatures and governors, and have been for awhile......why is that if voting Republican is suppose to fix all that stuff......its easy to do this kind of stuff, you want to blame the Dems for inner city plight but do you think if they voted in a bunch of Republicans it would get better? If so why considering the below link showing that 18 or the 19 poorest states in the country are run by the GOP.......surely that cant be right if all you have to do to be prosperous is vote in the GOP......its more complicated than this and that's why arguing either side of this argument is dumb.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...ates-have-republican-legislatures/1694273002/

Eighteen of the 19 poorest states have legislatures where both chambers are Republican controlled.
 
Downeastnc said:
I could use the same argument about many, many places in rural southern American run by Republicans....the poorest states in the country are ran by Republican legislatures and governors, and have been for awhile......why is that if voting Republican is suppose to fix all that stuff......its easy to do this kind of stuff, you want to blame the Dems for inner city plight but do you think if they voted in a bunch of Republicans it would get better? If so why considering the below link showing that 18 or the 19 poorest states in the country are run by the GOP.......surely that cant be right if all you have to do to be prosperous is vote in the GOP......its more complicated than this and that's why arguing either side of this argument is dumb.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...ates-have-republican-legislatures/1694273002/

Eighteen of the 19 poorest states have legislatures where both chambers are Republican controlled.
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All I see are figures based on household income with no mention of cost of living or tax rates. I mean to be fair a person can live in my area off of 40k fairly comfortably but would be borderline poverty in NYC. Also I'd be curious as to how many federal regulations hinder employment in some of those states? W Va for instance, although coal industry is now able to attempt a comeback we know the Obama administration made a point to "put it out of business" so of course in that state unemployment and economic hardships were to follow.

With all that said, imho, quality of life & being successful is far more than $$. What about crime rates, gun laws (gun free zones), sanctuary cities, insane regulations (NYC you better be careful what you say and what you eat) I'll take my average salary, enjoy my country life, my family, my freedoms, my religion.... in other words I'll keep clinging to my God, guns and country and be happy till the day He returns.
 
metwannabe said:
All I see are figures based on household income with no mention of cost of living or tax rates. I mean to be fair a person can live in my area off of 40k fairly comfortably but would be borderline poverty in NYC. Also I'd be curious as to how many federal regulations hinder employment in some of those states? W Va for instance, although coal industry is now able to attempt a comeback we know the Obama administration made a point to "put it out of business" so of course in that state unemployment and economic hardships were to follow.

With all that said, imho, quality of life & being successful is far more than $$. What about crime rates, gun laws (gun free zones), sanctuary cities, insane regulations (NYC you better be careful what you say and what you eat) I'll take my average salary, enjoy my country life, my family, my freedoms, my religion.... in other words I'll keep clinging to my God, guns and country and be happy till the day He returns.
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^ Bingo!
 
metwannabe said:
Man this struck a nerve with me and I'll just bow out gracefully and return to the weather side of things....
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Didn't mean to strike a nerve just dealing with facts......being educated with a college degree equals more money on average.....that is just the way it is. I do not have a college degree, I went some but did not finish, I have a good job but it is shift work in a factory and I have to bust my ass to make 60-65K a year.....and when I started I was making 30-35K a year. The company just hired in a guy to be the process tech for my line, he is 25 with a degree and is probably starting at around 60-70k......

I am in no way implying that people without college degrees can not be successful or even widely successful I know plenty that are.....I also know some college educated people that have not done as well as I have.....again my entire point is on average college educated people do better than those who don't have degree's.
 
Downeastnc said:
Didn't mean to strike a nerve just dealing with facts......being educated with a college degree equals more money on average.....that is just the way it is. I do not have a college degree, I went some but did not finish, I have a good job but it is shift work in a factory and I have to bust my ass to make 60-65K a year.....and when I started I was making 30-35K a year. The company just hired in a guy to be the process tech for my line, he is 25 with a degree and is probably starting at around 60-70k......

I am in no way implying that people without college degrees can not be successful or even widely successful I know plenty that are.....I also know some college educated people that have not done as well as I have.....again my entire point is on average college educated people do better than those who don't have degree's.
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It's all good.... tbh the world would be a better place if we all had to bust our behinds to make it. I think people were better in general without all the technology and had to actually work for a living.

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metwannabe said:
All I see are figures based on household income with no mention of cost of living or tax rates. I mean to be fair a person can live in my area off of 40k fairly comfortably but would be borderline poverty in NYC. Also I'd be curious as to how many federal regulations hinder employment in some of those states? W Va for instance, although coal industry is now able to attempt a comeback we know the Obama administration made a point to "put it out of business" so of course in that state unemployment and economic hardships were to follow.

With all that said, imho, quality of life & being successful is far more than $$. What about crime rates, gun laws (gun free zones), sanctuary cities, insane regulations (NYC you better be careful what you say and what you eat) I'll take my average salary, enjoy my country life, my family, my freedoms, my religion.... in other words I'll keep clinging to my God, guns and country and be happy till the day He returns.
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West Virginia was poor way before Obama was born. Coal is dying no matter what anybody does. It's a out of date and dirty way to boil water to make steam
 
Downeastnc said:
Didn't mean to strike a nerve just dealing with facts......being educated with a college degree equals more money on average.....that is just the way it is. I do not have a college degree, I went some but did not finish, I have a good job but it is shift work in a factory and I have to bust my ass to make 60-65K a year.....and when I started I was making 30-35K a year. The company just hired in a guy to be the process tech for my line, he is 25 with a degree and is probably starting at around 60-70k......

I am in no way implying that people without college degrees can not be successful or even widely successful I know plenty that are.....I also know some college educated people that have not done as well as I have.....again my entire point is on average college educated people do better than those who don't have degree's.
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One breath you are trying to convince us that people with college degrees do better and the next you are talking about poor states versus rich states, red, blue, this , that that....kinda hard to follow
 
Downeastnc said:
Didn't mean to strike a nerve just dealing with facts......being educated with a college degree equals more money on average.....that is just the way it is. I do not have a college degree, I went some but did not finish, I have a good job but it is shift work in a factory and I have to bust my ass to make 60-65K a year.....and when I started I was making 30-35K a year. The company just hired in a guy to be the process tech for my line, he is 25 with a degree and is probably starting at around 60-70k......

I am in no way implying that people without college degrees can not be successful or even widely successful I know plenty that are.....I also know some college educated people that have not done as well as I have.....again my entire point is on average college educated people do better than those who don't have degree's.
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To be fair, do you have an idea on how the economies of the least educated states are? I'd imagine ones like Mississippi aren't that good because businesses have no reason to go there. In addition, who would want to move a large industry to a place with low education and is prone to flooding and hurricanes? One reason Florida makes it away from this is because it's full of people and tourists and industries that flood the economy with money. I have to wonder if stagnant economic conditions and lack of attraction for businesses prevent better educations also in part due to colleges also not being accessible and no motivation to learn because industries aren't around to pay well. Also scholarships and eligibility for loans, are they as prevelant there in poorly educated states than in more wealthy states? I'm pretty sure all of this came out on a weird way, so don't pick it apart too harshly.
 
metwannabe said:
You're the best promoter of Dems in here and yet you say your Republican, it's confusing frankly.

Intended or not, your first line is basically denigrating those who are HS graduates only. Some of your facts are true but they are also a tool, to almost "force" individuals to have to go to colleges where the vast majority these days are indoctrinating our youth with socialist ideas. More college graduates today then ever support socialist ideologies and yet most have no idea how detrimental those policies will be.

Dems keep individuals down so they need them to survive, they've infiltrated colleges like the 30's axis of evil and then create an environment where you will only be successful if you have that degree or at least a narrative to make you believe it, they completely over look the average hard working, taxpaying, law abiding citizen by which the very foundation of this country was established and they do it all for one purpose: to remain in power.
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I don't promote the Dem's just facts, a lot of people on both sides suffer from "mysideitis".....arguments like inner city blight is the fault of the Dems but ignoring red state poverty like AL/MS/KY/WV. I see fault with both parties, and I call it like I see it. I complained about Obama and Hillary plenty not on this board since I was not a member but there are those here that have seen my post on other forums ( paging Cold Rain )......however Trump has soured me greatly on the current GOP leadership......not to the point I am going to vote for a Dem though, that wont happen unless the Dems see a significant correction to the middle with their platform with the GOP continuing to move far right....
 
ForsythSnow said:
To be fair, do you have an idea on how the economies of the least educated states are? I'd imagine ones like Mississippi aren't that good because businesses have no reason to go there. In addition, who would want to move a large industry to a place with low education and is prone to flooding and hurricanes? One reason Florida makes it away from this is because it's full of people and tourists and industries that flood the economy with money. I have to wonder if stagnant economic conditions and lack of attraction for businesses prevent better educations also in part due to colleges also not being accessible and no motivation to learn because industries aren't around to pay well. Also scholarships and eligibility for loans, are they as prevelant there in poorly educated states than in more wealthy states? I'm pretty sure all of this came out on a weird way, so don't pick it apart too harshly.
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I agree with this post 100%, it bring homes the point I was trying to make better than I did, there is a lot more that goes into things than which political party is in charge.....
 
Downeastnc said:
I don't promote the Dem's just facts, a lot of people on both sides suffer from "mysideitis".....arguments like inner city blight is the fault of the Dems but ignoring red state poverty like AL/MS/KY/WV. I see fault with both parties, and I call it like I see it. I complained about Obama and Hillary plenty not on this board since I was not a member but there are those here that have seen my post on other forums ( paging Cold Rain )......however Trump has soured me greatly on the current GOP leadership......not to the point I am going to vote for a Dem though, that wont happen unless the Dems see a significant correction to the middle with their platform with the GOP continuing to move far right....
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I get where you are coming from but I just don't see a comparison between inner city blight that is obvious in plain sight as a problem and what your "facts" deme as poverty in red states. Sorry I just don't see it as a similar comparison no matter who is or isn't at fault. A person living in a poorer rural area "on average" doesn't face the same economic and social obstacles as someone struggling in an inner city. Just my opinion of course. If both classes of people are happy with they way they vote and the outcomes of those votes I suppose we can all raise a glass and celebrate......
 
Downeastnc said:
Didn't mean to strike a nerve just dealing with facts......being educated with a college degree equals more money on average.....that is just the way it is. I do not have a college degree, I went some but did not finish, I have a good job but it is shift work in a factory and I have to bust my ass to make 60-65K a year.....and when I started I was making 30-35K a year. The company just hired in a guy to be the process tech for my line, he is 25 with a degree and is probably starting at around 60-70k......

I am in no way implying that people without college degrees can not be successful or even widely successful I know plenty that are.....I also know some college educated people that have not done as well as I have.....again my entire point is on average college educated people do better than those who don't have degree's.
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The income may be greater but with all the news articles quoting college grads who can barely pay their loans while begging for loan forgiveness, I’m guessing the income difference is skewed by upper end earners.
 
SimeonNC said:
Taking a break-ish from the Trump talk, it is amusing that there are sects of the left who are just obsessed with calling out their own for BS reasons.

Like for example, apparently people are calling out AOC for voicing her support for Bernie Sanders because Bernie is a white male and that apparently she should be supporting other powerful women of color or something. Also, they are obsessed with accusing any outsider of having connections to the Russian government, like they have been going after Tulsi Gabbard for a while and now I saw this twitter thread now accusing Andrew Yang of having connections to the Russians.

I swear Trump has made the the left go batpoop insane lol
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I agree this attitude by some is silly nonsense and not at all productive.
I'd disagree that I've gone batpoop insane.
 
metwannabe said:
You're the best promoter of Dems in here and yet you say your Republican, it's confusing frankly.

Intended or not, your first line is basically denigrating those who are HS graduates only. Some of your facts are true but they are also a tool, to almost "force" individuals to have to go to colleges where the vast majority these days are indoctrinating our youth with socialist ideas. More college graduates today then ever support socialist ideologies and yet most have no idea how detrimental those policies will be.

Dems keep individuals down so they need them to survive, they've infiltrated colleges like the 30's axis of evil and then create an environment where you will only be successful if you have that degree or at least a narrative to make you believe it, they completely over look the average hard working, taxpaying, law abiding citizen by which the very foundation of this country was established and they do it all for one purpose: to remain in power.
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It is just plain false to claim that "the vast majority these days are indoctrinating our youth with socialist ideas." Do you know what indoctrination is?
 
crecre9 said:
It is just plain false to claim that "the vast majority these days are indoctrinating our youth with socialist ideas." Do you know what indoctrination is?
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Sure do

And it's not false, as the studies below show the vast majority of college professors are liberal. We've seen example after example, conservative speakers banned, professors teaching their opinion in the classroom and engaging in political activism on campus, safe spaces, trigger warnings, most conservative students can't or won't speak their mind out of fear....that's not tolerance that's for sure. And a professor teaching their opinion when the vast majority hold liberal views looks an awful lot like "teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs" which is the definition of indoctrinate.

https://www.nas.org/academic-questi...iations_of_elite_liberal_arts_college_faculty

https://econjwatch.org/articles/fac...-journalism-communications-law-and-psychology
 
metwannabe said:
Sure do

And it's not false, as the studies below show the vast majority of college professors are liberal. We've seen example after example, conservative speakers banned, professors teaching their opinion in the classroom and engaging in political activism on campus, safe spaces, trigger warnings, most conservative students can't or won't speak their mind out of fear....that's not tolerance that's for sure. And a professor teaching their opinion when the vast majority hold liberal views looks an awful lot like "teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs" which is the definition of indoctrinate.

https://www.nas.org/academic-questi...iations_of_elite_liberal_arts_college_faculty

https://econjwatch.org/articles/fac...-journalism-communications-law-and-psychology
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And its not just colleges doing the dirty work of the left. They own social media as well and it has been shown repeatedly that they have a well known bias to left leaning political candidates and issues. That's a lot of power to sway weak minded and young individuals
 
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