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Found this interesting article that's well worth a read. Outlined in it are some of the key "alarmist" claims that are then debunked as misleading or weak arguments. Here's a few excerpts below with the full article here. https://merionwest.com/2017/04/25/r...-on-the-public-discourse-over-climate-change/

On Mann's infamous hockey stick graph:
"Mann used tree rings from bristle cone pines to estimate Northern Hemisphere temperatures back hundreds of years. This was done by calibrating the tree ring data with surface observations for a thirty year period, and using this calibration to estimate temperatures in the distant past in order to eliminate the medieval warm period. Indeed, this reconstruction showed flat temperatures for the past thousand years. The usual test for such a procedure would be to see how the calibration worked for observations after the calibration period. Unfortunately, the results failed to show the warming found in the surface data. The solution was starkly simple and stupid. The tree ring record was cut off at the end of the calibration period and replaced by the actual surface record. In the Climategate emails (Climategate refers to a huge release of emails from various scientists supporting alarm where the suppression of opposing views, the intimidation of editors, the manipulation of data, etc. were all discussed), this was referred to as Mann’s trick."

Extreme weather events:
"Every line weather forecaster knows that extreme events occur someplace virtually every day. The present temptation to attribute these normally occurring events to climate change is patently dishonest. Roger Pielke, Jr. actually wrote a book detailing the fact that there is no trend in virtually any extreme event (including tornados, hurricanes, droughts, floods, etc.) with some actually decreasing. Even the UN’s IPCC acknowledges that there is no basis for attributing such events to anthropogenic climate change."

Sea level rise:
"Globally averaged sea level appears to have been rising at the rate of about 6 inches a century for thousands of years. Until the advent of satellites, sea level was essentially measured with tide gauges which measure the sea level relative to the land level. Unfortunately, the land level is also changing, and as Emery and Aubrey note, tectonics are the major source of change at many locations. Beginning in 1979 we began to use satellites to measure actual sea level. The results were surprisingly close to the previous tide gauge estimates, but slightly higher, but one sees from Wunsch et al (DOI: 10.1175/2007JCLI1840.1) that one is in no position to argue that small differences from changing methodologies represents acceleration. Regardless, the changes are small compared to the claims that suggest disastrous changes. However, even in the early 1980’s advocates of warming alarm like S. Schneider argued that sea level would be an easily appreciated scare tactic. The fact that people like Al Gore and Susan Solomon (former head of the IPCC’s Scientific Assessment) have invested heavily in ocean front property supports the notion that the issue is propagandistic rather than scientific."

Arctic Sea ice:
"Satellites have been observing arctic (and Antarctic) sea ice since 1979. Every year there is a pronounced annual cycle where the almost complete winter coverage is much reduced each summer. During this period there has been a noticeable downtrend is summer ice in the arctic (with the opposite behavior in the Antarctic), though in recent years, the coverage appears to have stabilized. In terms of climate change, 40 years is, of course, a rather short interval. Still, there have been the inevitable attempts to extrapolate short period trends leading to claims that the arctic should have already reached ice free conditions. Extrapolating short term trends is obviously inappropriate. Extrapolating surface temperature changes from dawn to dusk would lead to a boiling climate in days. This would be silly. The extrapolation of arctic summer ice coverage looks like it might be comparably silly. Moreover, although the satellite coverage is immensely better than what was previously available, the data is far from perfect. The satellites can confuse ice topped with melt water with ice free regions. In addition, temperature might not be the main cause of reduced sea ice coverage. Summer ice tends to be fragile, and changing winds play an important role in blowing ice out of the arctic sea. Associating changing summer sea ice coverage with climate change is, itself, dubious. Existing climate models hardly unambiguously predict the observed behavior. Predictions for 2100 range from no change to complete disappearance. Thus, it cannot be said that the sea ice behavior confirms any plausible prediction.

It is sometimes noted that concerns for disappearing arctic sea ice were issued in 1922, suggesting that such behavior is not unique to the present. The data used, at that time, came from the neighborhood of Spitzbergen. A marine biologist and climate campaigner has argued that what was described was a local phenomenon, but, despite the claim, the evidence presented by the author is far from conclusive. Among other things, the author was selective in his choice of ‘evidence.’

All one can say, at this point, is that the behavior of arctic sea ice represents one of the numerous interesting phenomena that the earth presents us with, and for which neither the understanding nor the needed records exist. It probably pays to note that melting sea ice does not contribute to sea level rise. Moreover, man has long dreamt of the opening of this Northwest Passage. It is curious that it is now viewed with alarm. Of course, as Mencken noted, “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.” The environmental movement has elevated this aim well beyond what Mencken noted."

Coral Reef bleaching:
The alleged death of coral reefs is partly linked to the acidification issue above, and as we see, the linkage is almost opposite to what is claimed. There is also the matter of warming per se leading to coral bleaching. A typical alarmist presentation can be found here.
The article is behind a pay wall, but most universities provide access to Nature. The reasoned response to this paper is provided here. As Steele, the author of the above, points out, bleaching has common causes other than warming and is far from a death sentence for corals whose capacity to recover is substantial. This article is a bit polemical, but essentially correct."
 
There's not really a specific thread for this but I thought I'd post some updates in here regarding Arctic ice extent and volume. Here's the latest NSIDC chart for ice extent.
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Here's the DMI volume.
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After Arctic anomalies of a whopping +12C at the start of Nov, they have plunged to only ~+2 to +3C which are the lowest in nearly two months. However, with the oncoming strong -AO, I expect they’ll bounce back up for the next 7-10 days or so:

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
 
After Arctic anomalies of a whopping +12C at the start of Nov, they have plunged to only ~+2 to +3C which are the lowest in nearly two months. However, with the oncoming strong -AO, I expect they’ll bounce back up for the next 7-10 days or so:

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

Larry, any theories as to what is causing the rapid ice buildup this year, or anyone else? SST's across much of the Arctic were well AN to start the season and per the graph you linked the temps were well AN for a time as well although now they are a little closer to normal. Comparing to other recent years I don't see anything noticeable with temps that would explain the rapid increase we are seeing. Any thoughts or ideas?

Latest JAXA and NSIDC extent data show that we now have the 11th lowest sea ice on satellite record or another way to look at it is the 3rd highest post 2005. Here are some charts and graphs from another site that catalogs these in detail. https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,2223.msg181476.html#new

JAXA data
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NSIDC data
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Also here is today’s NSIDC ice extent. Notice we are ahead of schedule in the Hudson Bay and around Greenland (Davis strait I believe). The biggest key will be ice volume, let’s see over the winter how that does.
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Interesting article on what may be causing some of the sea level rise along the East Coast.

Piecuch et al., 2018
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0787-6
“Identifying the causes of historical trends in relative sea level—the height of the sea surface relative to Earth’s crust—is a prerequisite for predicting future changes. Rates of change along the eastern coast of the USA (the US East Coast) during the past century were spatially variable, and relative sea level rose faster along the Mid-Atlantic Bight than along the South Atlantic Bight and the Gulf of Maine. Past studies suggest that Earth’s ongoing response to the last deglaciation1,2,3,4,5, surface redistribution of ice and water5,6,7,8,9 and changes in ocean circulation9,10,11,12,13 contributed considerably to this large-scale spatial pattern. Here we analyse instrumental data and proxy reconstructions using probabilistic methods to show that vertical motions of Earth’s crust exerted the dominant control on regional spatial differences in relative sea-level trends along the US East Coast during 1900–2017, explaining most of the large-scale spatial variance. Rates of coastal subsidence caused by ongoing relaxation of the peripheral forebulge associated with the last deglaciation are strongest near North Carolina, Maryland and Virginia. Such structure indicates that Earth’s elastic lithosphere is thicker than has been assumed in other models. We also find a substantial coastal gradient in relative sea-level trends over this period that is unrelated to deglaciation and suggests contributions from twentieth-century redistribution of ice and water. Our results indicate that the majority of large-scale spatial variation in long-term rates of relative sea-level rise on the US East Coast is due to geological processes that will persist at similar rates for centuries.”

Of interest is the current sea ice coverage. While we are around the 4th lowest, the NSIDC data indicates the only significant area that is BN is the area NE of Greenland and that area is rapidly filling in with ice now due to colder temperatures. It will be interesting to see how things unfold especially with the SSW ongoing.
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The latest reports that came out are looking pretty dire. We are going to have to have some drastic changes soon to avoid catastrophe.


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Interesting article on what may be causing some of the sea level rise along the East Coast.

Piecuch et al., 2018
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0787-6
“Identifying the causes of historical trends in relative sea level—the height of the sea surface relative to Earth’s crust—is a prerequisite for predicting future changes. Rates of change along the eastern coast of the USA (the US East Coast) during the past century were spatially variable, and relative sea level rose faster along the Mid-Atlantic Bight than along the South Atlantic Bight and the Gulf of Maine. Past studies suggest that Earth’s ongoing response to the last deglaciation1,2,3,4,5, surface redistribution of ice and water5,6,7,8,9 and changes in ocean circulation9,10,11,12,13 contributed considerably to this large-scale spatial pattern. Here we analyse instrumental data and proxy reconstructions using probabilistic methods to show that vertical motions of Earth’s crust exerted the dominant control on regional spatial differences in relative sea-level trends along the US East Coast during 1900–2017, explaining most of the large-scale spatial variance. Rates of coastal subsidence caused by ongoing relaxation of the peripheral forebulge associated with the last deglaciation are strongest near North Carolina, Maryland and Virginia. Such structure indicates that Earth’s elastic lithosphere is thicker than has been assumed in other models. We also find a substantial coastal gradient in relative sea-level trends over this period that is unrelated to deglaciation and suggests contributions from twentieth-century redistribution of ice and water. Our results indicate that the majority of large-scale spatial variation in long-term rates of relative sea-level rise on the US East Coast is due to geological processes that will persist at similar rates for centuries.”

Just wanted to comment some on this article, because I don't think the way you interpreted it is what the authors were getting at....

The article is talking about causes of regional differences ("spatial variation" is the phrase they latch onto) in sea level rise, and not what's causing sea level rise overall. In fact, they note that the "inexorable geological processes [the article is concerned with] will exacerbate predicted sea-level rise related to ocean thermal expansion, melting land ice and ocean circulation changes," not that they are a sufficient replacement for those processes.

If this distinction isn't clear, think of it like a bathtub slowly filling with water. The article doesn't necessarily care about what's causing the tub to fill, but rather what causes differences in measurements of overflowing water made at two locations (at the same height) along the edge of the tub. Maybe over a short time period JB's been sloshing it up and some big differences are observed. But even over longer time periods that average out these sloshes, the two locations might be still recording slightly different overflowing rates. This article shows that these differences are mainly due to the fact that the bottom of the tub is warped and is in the process of warping, but that warping itself cannot cause the sorts of global rises in bathtub water level that are observed.

I don't think you intended to mislead or anything like that, I just wanted to clear things up a bit for anybody reading because when I first saw your post it seemed like you and the article were saying different things.
 
Just wanted to comment some on this article, because I don't think the way you interpreted it is what the authors were getting at....

The article is talking about causes of regional differences ("spatial variation" is the phrase they latch onto) in sea level rise, and not what's causing sea level rise overall. In fact, they note that the "inexorable geological processes [the article is concerned with] will exacerbate predicted sea-level rise related to ocean thermal expansion, melting land ice and ocean circulation changes," not that they are a sufficient replacement for those processes.

If this distinction isn't clear, think of it like a bathtub slowly filling with water. The article doesn't necessarily care about what's causing the tub to fill, but rather what causes differences in measurements of overflowing water made at two locations (at the same height) along the edge of the tub. Maybe over a short time period JB's been sloshing it up and some big differences are observed. But even over longer time periods that average out these sloshes, the two locations might be still recording slightly different overflowing rates. This article shows that these differences are mainly due to the fact that the bottom of the tub is warped and is in the process of warping, but that warping itself cannot cause the sorts of global rises in bathtub water level that are observed.

I don't think you intended to mislead or anything like that, I just wanted to clear things up a bit for anybody reading because when I first saw your post it seemed like you and the article were saying different things.

Correct, the article is talking about the regional differences along the East Coast and why some locations are rising slower/faster than others. There was some earlier discussion in this thread about some areas in the Mid-Atlantic that flood more frequently than they used to 30-40 years ago. This article is interesting as it provides some new research into why some areas might be rising quicker than others.

I originally stated "Interesting article on what may be causing some of the sea level rise along the East Coast." I'm not sure how this could be misinterpreted to refer to global sea level rise or anything else; it was simply a statement that this could be one factor explaining the faster sea level rise in some areas along the East Coast.

The issue of regional sea level rise (and even global) is a bit more complex. Satellite estimates are not the best method for sea level rise and there is a far higher density of reliable tide gauges available now than there was in the past. These new tide gauges with relatively short historical observations (25 years or less), tectonic movements, and other factors are important and worth looking into when examining sea level rise on a regional or global level. Here's one article discussing the difficulty in making regional sea level rise predictions, focusing specifically on the US from what I can tell.

Parker and Ollier, 2017
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41748-017-0019-5
Background
"Long records of sea level show decadal and multi-decadal oscillations of synchronous and asynchronous phases, which cannot be detected in short-term records. Without incorporating these oscillations, it is impossible to make useful assessments of present global accelerations and reliable predictions of future changes of sea level. Furthermore, it is well known that local sea-level changes occur also because of local factors such as subsidence due to groundwater or oil extraction, or tectonic movements that may be either up or down.

Methods
Linear and parabolic fittings of monthly average mean sea levels (MSL) of global as well as different local (United States Atlantic Coast, United States Pacific Coast) data sets of long tide gauge records."

[L]ocal sea-level forecasts should be based on proven local sea-level data. Their naïve averaging of all the tide gauges included in the PSMSL surveys showed ‘relative’ trends of about + 1.04 mm/year (570 tide gauges of any length). By only considering the 100 tide gauges with more than 80 years of recording, the average trend was only + 0.25 mm/year [2.5 centimeters per century].”

The loud divergence between sea-level reality and climate change theory—the climate models predict an accelerated sea-level rise driven by the anthropogenic CO2 emission—has been also evidenced in other works such as Boretti (2012a, b), Boretti and Watson (2012), Douglas (1992), Douglas and Peltier (2002), Fasullo et al. (2016), Jevrejeva et al. (2006), Holgate (2007), Houston and Dean (2011), Mörner 2010a, b, 2016), Mörner and Parker (2013), Scafetta (2014), Wenzel and Schröter (2010) and Wunsch et al. (2007) reporting on the recent lack of any detectable acceleration in the rate of sea-level rise. The minimum length requirement of 50–60 years to produce a realistic sea-level rate of rise is also discussed in other works such as Baart et al. (2012), Douglas (1995, 1997), Gervais (2016), Jevrejeva et al. (2008), Knudsen et al. (2011), Scafetta (2013a, b), Wenzel and Schröter (2014) and Woodworth (2011). … [T]he information from the tide gauges of the USA and the rest of the world when considered globally and over time windows of not less than 80 years […] does not support the notion of rapidly changing mass of ice in Greenland and Antarctica as claimed by Davis and Vinogradova (2017). The sea levels have been oscillating about a nearly perfectly linear trend since the start of the twentieth century with no sign of acceleration. There are only different phases of some oscillations moving from one location to another that do not represent any global acceleration. … The global sea-level acceleration is therefore in the order of + 0.002 ± 0.003 mm/year², i.e. + 2 ÷ 3 μm/year², well below the accuracy of the estimation. This means that the sea levels may rise in the twenty-first century only a few centimeters more than what they rose during the twentieth century. This is by no means alarming.”


Morner provides the analysis on the below graph by Mann and others and adds some interesting commentary. Their paper is here.

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The latest reports that came out are looking pretty dire. We are going to have to have some drastic changes soon to avoid catastrophe.


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Hello,
Can you please provide the reports for review. Also, what specifically are we going to have to change?
Thank You,
Eric
 

The NCA4 is decidedly biased and has quite a few issues with it, I hope you don't take it at face value? Have you read the public comments and articles on it that question the data or extreme alarmist view they take? Here's a link if you're interested in reading the public comments; I find the NCA4 responses quite disappointing when it comes to people who disagree with them. https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/downloads/NCA4_Public_Comments_Author_Responses_with_Names.pdf

Understand this also, the report is based off some extreme scenarios occurring and computer modeling. You know as well as I do computer models struggle to predict even simple pattern changes 10+ days out or a snow storm 4-5 days away at times. Can we really trust them to accurately pick up the effects of CO2, natural variations and feedbacks (known and unknown) over the next 100 years?

Dr Steve Koonin (an Obama appointee btw) wrote this summary here.
"The report’s numbers, uncertain as they are, turn out not to be all that alarming. The final figure of the final chapter [Chapter 29, page 170] shows that an increase in global average temperatures of 9 degrees Fahrenheit (beyond the 1.4-degree rise already recorded since 1880) [RCP8.5, an implausible scenario, “that does not provide a useful benchmark for policy studies.”] would directly reduce the U.S. gross domestic product in 2090 by 4%, plus or minus 2%—that is, the GDP would be about 4% less than it would have been absent human influences on the climate. That “worst-worst case” estimate assumes the largest plausible temperature rise and only known modes of adaptation. To place a 4% reduction in context, conservatively assume that real annual GDP growth will average 2% in the coming decades (it has averaged 3.2% since 1935 and is currently 3%). That would result in a U.S. economy roughly four times as large in 2090 as today. A 4% climate impact would reduce that multiple to 3.8—a correction much smaller than the uncertainty of any projection over seven decades. … The U.S. economy in 2090 would be no more than two years behind where it would have been absent man-caused climate change. Experts know that worst-case climate projections show minimal impact on the overall economy. Buried in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s 2014 report is a chart showing that a global temperature rise of 5 degrees Fahrenheit would have a global economic impact of about 3% in 2100—negligibly diminishing projected global growth over that period to 385% from 400%. If we take the new report’s estimates at face value, human-induced climate change isn’t an existential threat to the overall U.S. economy through the end of this century—or even a significant one. … There are many reasons to be concerned about a changing climate, including disparate impact across industries and regions. But national economic catastrophe isn’t one of them. It should concern anyone who supports well-informed public and policy discussions that the report’s authors, reviewers and media coverage obscured such an important point."

They failed to be objective and ignored the hurricane data because it didn't fit their agenda. See below.
University of Colorado Boulder Professor Roger Pielke, Jr. Ph.D. called the report “embarrassing,” in a series of tweets writing:
How is it that the 2018 US National Climate Assessment failed to include or overlooked trends in US landfalling hurricanes which would … seem pretty important in a US climate report[?]
[the report ignored one of its own expert reviewers who wrote this]: ‘National Hurricane Center going back to the 1800s data clearly indicate a drop in the decadal rate of US landfalling hurricanes since the 1960s… instead you spin the topic to make it sound like the trends are all towards more cyclones.’
Let’s observe here hurricanes are discussed at length in the report, and every hurricane that is discussed is … a landfalling storm. The failure to include trend data on US landfalling hurricanes in USNCA is a remarkable choice. What, were they thinking no one would notice?
Here’s the source of the top line conclusion of the U.S. National Climate Assessment, 10 [percent] damage to U.S GDP. It’s derived from a study funded by Tom Steyer [billionaire democratic donor and climate activist], et al. … The 15 degree Fahrenheit temp increase is double the most extreme value reported elsewhere in the report [The ‘sole editor’ of this claim was an alumni of the Center for American Progress, which is also funded by Tom Steyer].


The climate change agenda is more about money and power control than it is "saving the planet" as the proponents want you to believe. How about wind farms which waste large tracts of land and kill thousands of birds? What about all the waste that is produced in making them, the danger of fire, the lack of consistent energy supply and other problems caused by wind energy? Solar energy isn't much better, especially in the winter when some areas have only a few hours of daylight and long nights. How are we going to power hospitals and the heating/cooling demands of houses and businesses if we rely on these supposedly "clean" energy methods? What happens when the wind isn't blowing and the sun just can't meet the demand? What if you have a hail storm that destroys the entire solar grid powering thousands of homes and businesses? Where will all the land come from to replace fossil fuels with these "clean" energy ideas?

I would highly recommend you research the agenda that is being pushed by these climate alarmists and the news media. See below.

"The late Stephen Schneider, who authored The Genesis Strategy, a 1976 book warning that global cooling risks posed a threat to humanity, later changed that view 180 degrees, serving as a lead author for important parts of three sequential IPCC reports. In a quotation published in Discover, he said: “On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, on the other hand, we are not just scientists, but human beings as well. And like most people, we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that, we need to get some broad-based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of the doubts we might have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.

"IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer, speaking in November 2010, advised that: “…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth...”

Wigley and Trenberth suggested in another e-mail to Mann: “If you think that [Yale professor James] Saiers is in the greenhouse skeptics camp, then, if we can find documentary evidence of this, we could go through official [American Geophysical Union] channels to get him ousted [as editor-in-chief of the Geophysical Research Letters journal].”

A July 2004 communication from Phil Jones to Michael Mann referred to two papers recently published in Climate Research with a “HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL” subject line observed: “I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin [Trenberth] and I will keep them out somehow---even if we have to redefine what the peer review literature is." Source for these is here.

If what they are advocating is true (climate alarmism, AGW) then why are they so afraid of transparency and dissenting views to the point they would redefine peer reviewed literature or seek to silence someone they disagree with? Does this not worry you?
 
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I used to be a skeptic of climate change. I believe in it fully now. Next year will be another indice blamed for lack of snow. This climate is changing. Why I don’t know.
 
Weather it's climate change, or a cycle that's simply going to outlast our lifetimes, or whatever it is, the fact is there is nothing we can do about it. It's going to do what it's going to do. FWIW, I tend to believe it has a lot to do with the AMO. Our decline in snowfall seems to have started right about the time the flip to warm AMO happened.
 
Instead of arguing over what causes the "alleged Global Warming" we are currently experiencing for the past 30 years, we need to start building spaceships for the worlds population. Since one of the leading lights of the Democrat party says we only have 12 years until we cease to exist we better get Elon Musk on it pronto!!! Only question I have is where would we fly these spaceships to exactly? Gee, I hope they have cable TV and Internet there!!
 
Instead of arguing over what causes the "alleged Global Warming" we are currently experiencing for the past 30 years, we need to start building spaceships for the worlds population. Since one of the leading lights of the Democrat party says we only have 12 years until we cease to exist we better get Elon Musk on it pronto!!! Only question I have is where would we fly these spaceships to exactly? Gee, I hope they have cable TV and Internet there!!

Interesting question raised. If we did indeed try to live on other planets it would be quite interesting to see how the logistics would be worked out. For example water, necessary for human and plant life, where do you get enough sustainably, practically and easy enough to sustain humans and plant life (if we try to grow crops on said planet)... and heat/cooling of a building to protect humans from the extremes, how do you power that? Living on another planet would present immense challenges to provide the basic requirements for human life; shelter, food, water, heating/cooling of building.

Meanwhile the Arctic ice volume is close to the 2004-13 average and above recent years except 2014.
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It's also interesting to note this is the first year in quite awhile that temperatures are hovering fairly close to normal in the 80N region.
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Last year and other recent years it was quite different.
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