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lexxnchloe said:


The situation in Iran is a muddle. Yes, we militarily have set back Iran significantly. But the core issue remains - a fanatical Iranian leadership is in place that wants to rebuild and do further damage to the US and our allies.The cease fire has not only given them time to dig out and launch more missiles, it’s led to an inconclusive, unfinished stalemate.As anyone who has ever removed a hornet’s nest knows, you better remove it all or you’re leaving behind a bunch of angry hornets who will sting you.It’s
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lexxnchloe said:



I’m exhausted by this Iran whiplash. We put the Iranian people through hell with maximum pressure and sanctions, watched their currency and living standards collapse, and were told it was the only way to get a “better” deal than Obama’s. We even encouraged them to go out in the streets and risk their lives, telling them help was on the way. Now after all that we’re suddenly “ok” with a 20 year suspension of the nuclear program if Tehran makes a “real” commitment. That is not regime change. That is not zero enrichment forever. That is a tougher, longer version of the same time limited arms control logic we said was unacceptable. As a Trump supporter, I’ll say it clearly this is disgraceful and people deserve honesty about what we paid and what we actually got
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Trump shouldn’t have torn up the already existing Iran Deal in 2018 in the first place. Now he’s struggling to get back to something similar and with a wide open Strait. It’s very clear to me he did that mainly because it was done during the Obama Admin.that’s how he thinks. He hates Obama with a passion.
 
Cad Wedge NC said:
Looks like this thread has gone the same direction as the Political thread..... bunch of Trump bashing going on.
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1. It’s important to distinguish between “criticism” and “bashing”. Speaking for myself as regards DT or anyone else, I strive to stick to “criticism” when showing disapproval and to keep it war related. My last post was a criticism regarding tearing up the Obama Deal in 2018 without even a replacement. (Also, keep in mind that I recently gave a positive review of his post WHCD speech/news conference when people were posting about the attempted assassination. So, I’m not afraid to say something positive about DT if I feel it’s warranted.

2. This thread remains very civilized in stark contrast to AmericanWx’s political threads as well as those of many other boards.
 
GaWx said:
Trump shouldn’t have torn up the already existing Iran Deal in 2018 in the first place. Now he’s struggling to get back to something similar and with a wide open Strait. It’s very clear to me he did that mainly because it was done during the Obama Admin.that’s how he thinks. He hates Obama with a passion.
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To me, he screwed it all up when he stopped the bombing. Now he has no idea what to do except cut and run.
 
boobear said:
Redistricting has become a weapon when it was meant to make fair representation for people with the same needs. It has now become a way for more power for whoever was in power. I always thought that Carter was not the best president, but at least he was honest ands stood up for what he thought was right. Then Barnes sliced up the small area of Sandy Springs into 4 districts because we wanted to become a city. Barnes wanted the taxes from this area on the North side of the country to cover Southside projects, Streets needed work but we were ignored. Districts looked like snakes going from one side of the state to the coast. At the same time Jeb Bush cut up Florida in the same manner. Carter had been making sure elections in other countries were being held fairly & I thought he would speak up about both states, he said nothing. I was disappointed in him. I think we should have all AIs draw maps based on community needs and not party at all. What my area needs are not the same as a coastal town. Let them draw maps and the voters vote on the best one. Hopefully they would be the same. Farm areas need someone who is not representing a large city. This puts pressure on politicians to depend on voter support because of what they have done for the voters, not for what they have done for their party. Sadly good people are hesitant to run because of the vicious attacks no matter how false or slanted to ruin a candidate. I miss Fetterman kind of politicians. I am old enough to remember the covered dish rallies where they had barbeque or fried chicken and everyone bought a dish and talked with the politician. They had to go face to face to get the votes, and they did have to interact to get the votes. Internet has improved some things, but socially it is destroying us. It is sad when you have a bunch of kids sitting around looking at their phones and texting the person sitting next to them instead of talking.
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But when you put people into this corrupt system it doesn't matter if they are good people or honest people. There have been plenty of good people come to DC to "fix things" but here we sit . What is going to stop people from despising one another? What is going to sharply cut the massive amounts of beaurocracy or get rid of the fraud? Our system of government has failed miserably and it can't be fixed because it was designed to be corrupted it just took time to get to this point. Just the amount of BS taxes we pay up and down the ladder is disturbing and it gets worse and worse every year. It's a system built for thieves disguised as something that "helps people". It's nothing but a racket
 
GaWx said:
1. It’s important to distinguish between “criticism” and “bashing”. Speaking for myself as regards DT or anyone else, I strive to stick to “criticism” when showing disapproval and to keep it war related. My last post was a criticism regarding tearing up the Obama Deal in 2018 without even a replacement. (Also, keep in mind that I recently gave a positive review of his post WHCD speech/news conference when people were posting about the attempted assassination. So, I’m not afraid to say something positive about DT if I feel it’s warranted.

2. This thread remains very civilized in stark contrast to AmericanWx’s political threads as well as those of many other boards.
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Really good point. There's been some "bashing", but those who do tend to post more than those engaging in criticism.
 
lexxnchloe said:
Trump cant be this stupid, right? Pakistan is an ally of Iran

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Pakistan is not an “ally” of Iran.

At best, you could make a case Pakistan and Iran have grown closer to China in recent years. More due to global balance shifting and the US/China world dynamic slowly morphing into parallels with Cold War US/Soviet (not exactly, mind you but there are parallels), but even then that’s a very far cry from being “allies.”

Honestly, Iran really doesn’t have allies in the traditional sense regarding nations. They’ve got proxy groups, but that’s not really helping them internationally.

As for Pakistan, I feel it’s them playing both sides (US/China not Iran). Reminds me of what many Middle East and Asian countries did with us and the Soviets. (Nasser in Egypt probably the textbook example)

Pakistan is not the taskmaster here. I think China may be pulling the strings. Maybe not at the beginning of the conflict, but it's given them a big opportunity to impose influence on the region, which is not a good thing for the US geopolitically..
 
Sandbar said:
But when you put people into this corrupt system it doesn't matter if they are good people or honest people. There have been plenty of good people come to DC to "fix things" but here we sit . What is going to stop people from despising one another? What is going to sharply cut the massive amounts of beaurocracy or get rid of the fraud? Our system of government has failed miserably and it can't be fixed because it was designed to be corrupted it just took time to get to this point. Just the amount of BS taxes we pay up and down the ladder is disturbing and it gets worse and worse every year. It's a system built for thieves disguised as something that "helps people". It's nothing but a racket
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Carefull. Dont lump the founders , declaration of independence, Capitalism "system" in with the bunch of theives that hijacked everything the past 7 or so decades.
There was no such thing as a federal income tax until the 1930s. It wasnt designed to be corrupted, actually polar opposite. But it has been corrupted to the core by more politicians than I can name. Both parties over the past century. And will continue to be because there is no accountability. Espeacilly the legislative body.
 
GaWx said:
They should be like an interrogation in all interviews regardless of whether they’re con or lib, GOP or Dem, etc. I wanted Bibi to be asked the toughest Qs and I wasn’t disappointed. Garrett was tough and I was glad.

I think Bibi was his often deceptive self in saying he wanted US aid to end within 10 years along with reductions starting now. He cannot be trusted. It’s likely a “misdirection” scheme. He’s very effective in throwing people off because of his eloquence in communicating.
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Agree 100%. Good journalism use to hold these clowns accountable. And you are spot on. Call em all out, get the truth.

Israel truly does want off the aid. Be independent self sufficient. Applaud them. Every country should strive for that. Benefits the giver of aid as well as the taker long term.
 
Arcc said:
Epstien is the new "Obama isn't an American citizen"....
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lexxnchloe said:
It was "never" but oh well. Trump just wants to cut and run now. 20 years will end up being 20 weeks. And please stop publicly negotiating with yourself in public.


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Trump has got himself in such a fustercluck in Iran... he's grasping for anything
 
NCSNOW said:
Had very little to do with economy. Its Deep State destroying western civilization , our constitution, traditions. We will never pivot back to that. To many folks had their eyes opened over the past 9 years. You no longer have the gerrymanded districts, and most importantly door wide open opportunites for fraudulent votes.

Same crowd that was euphoric with covid spring of election year 2020 is the same ones licking their chops that fuel prices are through the roof affecting economy negaitively.
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Dude... put down the kool aide you've been drinking for 10 yrs, throw your red cap in the garbage and realize that Trump and his oligarch cronies, along with Israel and Russia are the true "Deep State" you've been fearing all along... if the last 18 month hasn't revealed this to you... I don't know what will. You've been played
 
NCSNOW said:
Carefull. Dont lump the founders , declaration of independence, Capitalism "system" in with the bunch of theives that hijacked everything the past 7 or so decades.
There was no such thing as a federal income tax until the 1930s. It wasnt designed to be corrupted, actually polar opposite. But it has been corrupted to the core by more politicians than I can name. Both parties over the past century. And will continue to be because there is no accountability. Espeacilly the legislative body.
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This country started downhill in 1913.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
Pakistan is not an “ally” of Iran.

At best, you could make a case Pakistan and Iran have grown closer to China in recent years. More due to global balance shifting and the US/China world dynamic slowly morphing into parallels with Cold War US/Soviet (not exactly, mind you but there are parallels), but even then that’s a very far cry from being “allies.”

Honestly, Iran really doesn’t have allies in the traditional sense regarding nations. They’ve got proxy groups, but that’s not really helping them internationally.

As for Pakistan, I feel it’s them playing both sides (US/China not Iran). Reminds me of what many Middle East and Asian countries did with us and the Soviets. (Nasser in Egypt probably the textbook example)

Pakistan is not the taskmaster here. I think China may be pulling the strings. Maybe not at the beginning of the conflict, but it's given them a big opportunity to impose influence on the region, which is not a good thing for the US geopolitically..
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I guess Pakistan let Iran hide its planes there because hate each other.
 
YetAnotherRDUGuy said:
Pakistan is not an “ally” of Iran.

At best, you could make a case Pakistan and Iran have grown closer to China in recent years. More due to global balance shifting and the US/China world dynamic slowly morphing into parallels with Cold War US/Soviet (not exactly, mind you but there are parallels), but even then that’s a very far cry from being “allies.”

Honestly, Iran really doesn’t have allies in the traditional sense regarding nations. They’ve got proxy groups, but that’s not really helping them internationally.

As for Pakistan, I feel it’s them playing both sides (US/China not Iran). Reminds me of what many Middle East and Asian countries did with us and the Soviets. (Nasser in Egypt probably the textbook example)

Pakistan is not the taskmaster here. I think China may be pulling the strings. Maybe not at the beginning of the conflict, but it's given them a big opportunity to impose influence on the region, which is not a good thing for the US geopolitically..
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While Trump isnt going to restart the war the rest of what he says is right.

 
lexxnchloe said:
At least we dont have to wory about going to war over Taiwan. Trump just flushed them down the toilet.
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When you listen to Trump talk about Taiwan (or many other topics) it’s the stuff he doesn’t say that is more revealing. Asked about Taiwan he blathers on about how big and strong China is, how tiny Taiwan is, about tariffs and dumb American presidents who didn’t use them. What doesn’t he talk about? Alliances, obligations, democracy, values, honor, etc. Keep in mind, if you don’t care whether Trump throws Taiwan under the bus, that wouldn’t be the only betrayal involved. We’d be screwing Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, and Australia too. I’m not saying we should get into a shooting war over Taiwan. I am saying Trump shouldn’t betray our allies, our values, and our national security and national honor just because he’s got a man crush on Xi.
 
lexxnchloe said:
I guess Pakistan let Iran hide its planes there because hate each other.
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I hear you lexx, but then you gotta consider stuff like this:

2024 Iran–Pakistan conflict - Wikipedia

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They literally shot missiles at each other 2 years ago.. (China helped mediate between them, interesting...).

If people want to argue Pakistan can't be trusted to mediate, I think it's far more persuasive to argue it's because of suspected Chinese influence than some theoretical Islamabad-Tehran Pact that supposedly exists. But that's just me.
 
This would significantly impact Israel's ability to defend itself from attack if accurate. It certainly was not a pretty planned controlled explosion of that size in a heavily populated area.

 
Downeastnc said:
This would significantly impact Israel's ability to defend itself from attack if accurate. It certainly was not a pretty planned controlled explosion of that size in a heavily populated area.

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From what I can tell in reading various sources, this was quite possibly an accident rather than a pre-planned test. This is related to Arrow 3 longer range ballistic missile defense as opposed to the Iron Dome, which targets lower range/lower altitude incoming rockets. Assuming there really were Arrow 3 missiles destroyed, there’s no telling whether or not a significant % were affected. So, this may or may not be that big of a deal. Folks need to be careful in sorting facts from fake news as usual when getting info from the internet.
Fact: there was an explosion.
But what was the cause and was there unplanned destruction of missiles? If so, was it a large portion? If so, how long would it take to replenish them?

 
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GaWx said:
From what I can tell in reading various sources, this was quite possibly an accident rather than a pre-planned test. This is related to Arrow 3 longer range ballistic missile defense as opposed to the Iron Dome, which targets lower range/lower altitude incoming rockets. Assuming there really were Arrow 3 missiles destroyed, there’s no telling whether or not a significant % were affected. So, this may or may not be that big of a deal. Folks need to be careful in sorting facts from fake news as usual when getting info from the internet.
Fact: there was an explosion.
But what was the cause and was there unplanned destruction of missiles? If so, was it a large portion? If so, how long would it take to replenish them?

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It was a huge explosion....and the fire after lasted for hrs. Tomer the Arrow missile company whose factory that builds these missiles is located there claims it was a test and maybe it was but they normally give local residents advance notice...also near midnight seems like a odd time to conduct a test especially if the results we saw where the expected results as it was going to be visible for dozens of miles.

The mushroom cloud etc certainly points to a very explosion and fire. I also understand Israel would want to attempt to downplay any serious issues at one of there most important defense factories. I am sure once we get a few satellite passes it will answer the question of whether it was a controlled event or they lost the factory.
 
Downeastnc said:
It was a huge explosion....and the fire after lasted for hrs. Tomer the Arrow missile company whose factory that builds these missiles is located there claims it was a test and maybe it was but they normally give local residents advance notice...also near midnight seems like a odd time to conduct a test especially if the results we saw where the expected results as it was going to be visible for dozens of miles.

The mushroom cloud etc certainly points to a very explosion and fire. I also understand Israel would want to attempt to downplay any serious issues at one of there most important defense factories. I am sure once we get a few satellite passes it will answer the question of whether it was a controlled event or they lost the factory.
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Thanks. Like you, I’m educatedly guessing accident rather than planned test or attack. I agree that Israel like any other country would want to downplay it so as not to let the world know that their defense has been weakened and thus possibly invite an attack. I have no reason to trust the official narrative. Assuming it was an accidental explosion, what I’d want to know is:

-whether or not a significant portion of their Arrow 3 missiles were destroyed
-if so, what % and how long would it take to replenish?
-if so, would there be an outside source from where to get replenishments?
-whether or not their ability to manufacture replacement missiles has been notably hurt
-if so, how long would it take to rebuild the manufacturing facilities?
 
NCSNOW said:
Carefull. Dont lump the founders , declaration of independence, Capitalism "system" in with the bunch of theives that hijacked everything the past 7 or so decades.
There was no such thing as a federal income tax until the 1930s. It wasnt designed to be corrupted, actually polar opposite. But it has been corrupted to the core by more politicians than I can name. Both parties over the past century. And will continue to be because there is no accountability. Espeacilly the legislative body.
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There is no fixing this and Trump's legacy will be the disrupter who exposed it and brought it to its knees. The planet is going to transition to more of a holistic society which is not a one world government to start but will eventually move in that direction. In order for that to happen the world has to restore peace so we aren't sending our kids to die for the deep state Cabal that has controlled this planet. I expect Trump to step up to a podium within the next 60-90 days, tell the world we aren't alone in the universe and never have been and "hopefully" he will begin the process of real disclosure the inhabitants of this planet deserve. They are withholding technology that could transform this planet into a bustling planet of abundance where we no longer fight wars over minerals. It's going to be a crazy next couple of years
 
Empty threat #779. Every day China and Russia re-arm and resupply Iran. Trump isnt going to restart the war until Fri evening(if ever) for fear of the oil price and markets at the soonest. Another week goes by.


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Cad Wedge NC said:
Looks like this thread has gone the same direction as the Political thread..... bunch of Trump bashing going on.
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i mean, he is the one leading this horrible war effort... not our fault that those who don't worship the ground he walks on call out how we see it.

im not a democrat, by any means, but holy f, if people can't see the horrible way trump is handling this, then idk.
 
Revised Iranian proposal to end war shared with US, Pakistani source says

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmaeil Baghaei confirmed that Tehran's views had been "conveyed to the American side through mediator Pakistan".


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Revised Iranian proposal to end war shared with US, Pakistani source says

ISLAMABAD, May 18 (Reuters) - Pakistan has shared with the U.S. a revised proposal from Iran to end the conflict in the Middle East, a Pakistani source told Reuters on Monday, as peace talks appeared
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weather nerd said:
i mean, he is the one leading this horrible war effort... not our fault that those who don't worship the ground he walks on call out how we see it.

im not a democrat, by any means, but holy f, if people can't see the horrible way trump is handling this, then idk.
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Respectfully, what makes his efforts horrible? I don't worship the ground he walks on but "horrible" is going into a country and staying 20 years with absolutely NOTHING to show for it but a lot of dead people. Again I'm sorry your gas is high but wanting long term peace and using oil as a bargaining chip seems to be the only way to achieve it when the world can't seem to share earth's minerals without going to war over it. Sanctions DO NOT WORK and I can attest to it. It took 3 surgeries to get all the frag out of my neck and back because sanctions work so well. We lost a lot of good people because of Irainian leadership when we were in Iraq so I kind of like the fresh approach of using common sense and business savvy in lieu of what we spent 20 years doing
 
Politico

US military attack on Cuba would trigger ‘bloodbath,’ says Cuban president


Cuban President Miguel Díaz-Canel Bermúdez on Monday issued a sharp warning to the U.S., saying any military action taken against the country from its northern neighbor would result in a “bloodbath” in response.

"The threats of military aggression against Cuba from the biggest military power on the planet are already known,” Díaz-Canel said in a post to social media. “The threat alone is an international crime. To make good on it would provoke a bloodbath of incalculable consequences, along with the destruction of peace and stability."

Tensions between the U.S. and Cuba have escalated under the second Trump administration, which had employed a “maximum pressure” campaign against the island in an effort to force a regime change.

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US military attack on Cuba would trigger ‘bloodbath,’ says Cuban president

Cuban President Miguel Díaz-Canel Bermúdez said Cuba is aware of the threats of military aggression from the U.S.
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GaWx said:
Revised Iranian proposal to end war shared with US, Pakistani source says

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmaeil Baghaei confirmed that Tehran's views had been "conveyed to the American side through mediator Pakistan".


www.yahoo.com

Revised Iranian proposal to end war shared with US, Pakistani source says

ISLAMABAD, May 18 (Reuters) - Pakistan has shared with the U.S. a revised proposal from Iran to end the conflict in the Middle East, a Pakistani source told Reuters on Monday, as peace talks appeared
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An Israeli official said the Iranians are euphoric and view themselves as the clear victors.In their assessment, President Trump is bluffing and has no real interest in becoming entangled in a renewed war.“The Iranians are not prepared to give President Trump anything because they sense he is desperate to bring the war to an end,” a source familiar with the matter said.“Their objective is to humiliate President Trump and demonstrate that they defeated the most powerful country in the world.” YNET
 
lexxnchloe said:


An Israeli official said the Iranians are euphoric and view themselves as the clear victors.In their assessment, President Trump is bluffing and has no real interest in becoming entangled in a renewed war.“The Iranians are not prepared to give President Trump anything because they sense he is desperate to bring the war to an end,” a source familiar with the matter said.“Their objective is to humiliate President Trump and demonstrate that they defeated the most powerful country in the world.” YNET
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That would be a win for most of the American people. So, I don’t have a problem with DT wanting to end it. It would prevent any more war related deaths and injuries, mean no more related damage to infrastructure, stop the bleeding of our missile/bomb inventory, help with our strained relationships with other countries, bring an end to the ongoing war related inflation pressure, and would reduce our military spending from recent months, Plus this would match DT’s campaign promise against endless wars/for America 1st.

Not to be forgotten, this would be still another war DT will have ended (I’ve lost count how many he’s already ended) in DT’s mind and thus give him a shot in his mind at the Nobel that he so desperately craves.

In addition, DT appears to have his sight set on a new war (Cuba??) and doesn’t want two ongoing. Related to that, he’s likely concerned about what had already been depleted as regards having enough for future wars. I’m not in favor of more wars, but this may be how DT is thinking.
 
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